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September 10, 2012, 05:52:52 PM
I'm confused, who needs what now? I reset the house balance which was considerably negative.  When the house balance is under the amount of available coins on the site is when you get those withdraw delay emails and I have to manually put a payment through.  Thanks.

Sat 8/25/2012 12:51 AM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 1.51 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sat 8/25/2012 7:17 PM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 1.8 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sun 8/26/2012 3:17 AM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 2 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sun 8/26/2012 11:21 AM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 28 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com

Sun 8/26/2012 4:45 PM
Hello,

This is a notice that you have a pending BTC withdrawal from https://www.bitjack21.com for bruwe.

A withdrawal of 100 BTC is now queued for manual processing and will be sent within 24 hours to address 1NFWumJ3ioyUVuxdmxSpd9uGqKxGbgn9dd

Thanks for playing!

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bitjack21.com



THESE ARE ALL STILL UNPAID!!!


These withdrawl attempts are still unpaid, not to mention the fact that you deleted my account!!! FUCK YOU YOU SCAMTASTIC FUCK!
full member
Activity: 784
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September 10, 2012, 05:21:11 PM
Players have recently won a lot more then what the server has available, if a withdraw does not go through try a smaller amount or wait a week and try again.

Surprise, surprise... The scammy fuck removed my account.  He saw me constantly trying to withdraw my winnings .1btc at a time, in essence killing off his bankroll indefinitely, so he deleted the account!! Perfect, as I had offers in to buy the account password for 95btc.  Andrew Scamcoiner, you just cost me a thousand bucks.  Go fuck yourself.
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Activity: 784
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September 10, 2012, 02:12:13 PM
I am offering up for sale my bitjack21.com account with 260.295btc in it.  I figure it's worth at least 100btc, I only want to do this through an escrow so the balance in the account can be verified by a third party and so the coins can be held until the password is transferred.  Andrew Bitcoiner has already gotten on here and stated that he will not reverse my winnings, so that is not a risk.  Basically you buy the account and have to play the slow-pay game with him, if you do it right you could get over 200 out... I'll explain the best way to do it upon purchase.  I am in need of some immediate btc and would like to cash this out quickly, offers is can be are go to start nowish!
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Activity: 784
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September 10, 2012, 03:28:42 AM
Don't forget the .29 I sent you dude!! And PS, playing by the house's rules is not fucking cheating!!!  It's not like i hacked or typed in a secret code or something, I just played by the site's rules.

DOH! I am Gatefull that you gave me my cash back so I don't have to chase him down for my coins. If I do get mine back I'll give it back to you  with a bonous.

What I just don't understand :
A) how come he's still up and running?
B) Why are people actually depositing with him still?
C) He's playing ponzi with deposits. Yet not lableled a scammer yet?

A) what, the internet police is going to shut him down?
B) what, everyone who logs in to his site is on bitcointalk?
C) Out of smartass responses. I have a scam accusation thread open about the matter. mem has updated his gambling list to reflect the lack of payouts.
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Activity: 158
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September 10, 2012, 02:24:37 AM
Don't forget the .29 I sent you dude!! And PS, playing by the house's rules is not fucking cheating!!!  It's not like i hacked or typed in a secret code or something, I just played by the site's rules.

DOH! I am Gatefull that you gave me my cash back so I don't have to chase him down for my coins. If I do get mine back I'll give it back to you  with a bonous.

What I just don't understand :
A) how come he's still up and running?
B) Why are people actually depositing with him still?
C) He's playing ponzi with deposits. Yet not lableled a scammer yet?
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
September 10, 2012, 02:14:29 AM
made some chump change back from the house (without cheating might I add wasn't aware there was a bug)

As I understand the bug, it affected everyone.  You didn't need to do anything to "exploit" it, except play normally.

It sounds as if the site was programmed not to charge you anything for doubling down or for splitting.

I don't see how the site could have been up so long before anyone noticed this; maybe free doubling and splitting was only introduced recently due to a bad code change.
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September 10, 2012, 01:17:38 AM
All these claims of scamming and being a dick could be disproven with a relatively cheap and humble gesture instead of accusing people of being cheats and avoiding the issue. If you don't want to pay out at least put my withdrawals back in my balance so I can slowly withdraw. I lost well over a dozen coins on your site so I find it hypocritical you can take user's coins but not pay them out.
Agreed! +1 Finally I broke even and made some chump change back from the house (without cheating might I add wasn't aware there was a bug) and suddenly soon as I want to pull out while I'm ahead "Sorry guys I'm out of cash."
If this were Vegas the Gaming Commission would have shout you down for that.Yet here he is still taking money in!

Just who the heck is making deposits while we are trying to warn every one that they won't get anything back? Undecided

Don't forget the .29 I sent you dude!! And PS, playing by the house's rules is not fucking cheating!!!  It's not like i hacked or typed in a secret code or something, I just played by the site's rules.
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Activity: 158
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September 09, 2012, 11:19:50 PM
All these claims of scamming and being a dick could be disproven with a relatively cheap and humble gesture instead of accusing people of being cheats and avoiding the issue. If you don't want to pay out at least put my withdrawals back in my balance so I can slowly withdraw. I lost well over a dozen coins on your site so I find it hypocritical you can take user's coins but not pay them out.
Agreed! +1 Finally I broke even and made some chump change back from the house (without cheating might I add wasn't aware there was a bug) and suddenly soon as I want to pull out while I'm ahead "Sorry guys I'm out of cash."
If this were Vegas the Gaming Commission would have shout you down for that.Yet here he is still taking money in!

Just who the heck is making deposits while we are trying to warn every one that they won't get anything back? Undecided
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Activity: 784
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September 09, 2012, 04:57:39 PM
No they aren't lost he just needs to manually process them, which he isn't doing. It's been almost a week and I have not received anything nor any communication.

Upon further research, he is referred to as andrew scamcoiner, andrew coinscammer, and an asshole all over this forum.  He runs a shit advertising site that doesn't pay out, and is running a ponzi casino that has zero bankroll and zero ability to pay anyone winnings with the house bankroll..... because there is none.  It's a 'heads you win, tails I lose' sort of a gamble when you play at bitjack21.com
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September 09, 2012, 03:54:07 PM
So, I lost all my 13 BTC when I attempted a withdrawl?

That would be VERY bad... I mean, I lost not only my winnings but also my initial money too... That makes me very upset!
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
September 09, 2012, 12:27:25 AM
Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?

If I had to decide right now, I'd chose to see the dealer's hole card every hand.  If I had longer, I'd run a simulation and find out which is really better.  It strikes me that knowing the hole card lets me play better strategy, whereas double-down and split are relatively rare in the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if my gut feeling was wrong though.
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September 07, 2012, 07:57:45 PM
#99
Yeah when I played double downs weren't free and I only manged to get a big payout was with ballsy bets. I put up 1 BTC bets and hit multiple blackjacks, split three hands, etc.

I didn't exploit shit. I sat and played blackjack, bet conservatively and built up a bankroll and then placed bigger bets.

Now it seems like he tweaked the house or something to get more coins because I got beat back a dozen or so coins.

So, in summation. I don't consider myself a cheat and since I lost a good third of the payout back into the site I don't think it's unreasonable to actually pay me relatively soon so I can just lose more coin on your website.

Yeah, I don't consider myself a cheat for playing by the rules of the house, no matter how skewed in my favor those rules are. 
full member
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September 07, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
#98

Very interesting, seems my experience is par for the course.
legendary
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September 07, 2012, 04:43:37 PM
#97
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September 07, 2012, 03:36:29 PM
#96
I for one would rather see the hole card, but as it turns out double/split for free is a pretty good moneymaker.



...gee, you don't say!
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September 07, 2012, 01:15:14 PM
#95
Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 

I had a hunch you were cheating exploiting a bug. Didn't you say that you deposited something like BTC10 and ran it up to BTC130+? That's a hell of a sick heater if legit.

Back when I still played on the site, the server crashed once and when I rejoined the hand, it displayed the dealer's total (i.e. I knew what the dealer's hole card was). I couldn't tell how to reproduce the error and Andrew had already shown a disinterested attitude when I had emailed him about slow payouts, so I never bothered telling him.

Free double downs and splitting would be even more advantageous than seeing the dealer's hole card, I'd guess. Interesting thought experiment.

Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?



I deposited less than BTC1 and have withdrawn over BTC10, with over BTC300 left in my account.  I have a failed withdrawl attempt for over BTC133 which will never be paid.  I for one would rather see the hole card, but as it turns out double/split for free is a pretty good moneymaker.
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Activity: 449
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September 07, 2012, 12:58:36 PM
#94
Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 

I had a hunch you were cheating exploiting a bug. Didn't you say that you deposited something like BTC10 and ran it up to BTC130+? That's a hell of a sick heater if legit.

Back when I still played on the site, the server crashed once and when I rejoined the hand, it displayed the dealer's total (i.e. I knew what the dealer's hole card was). I couldn't tell how to reproduce the error and Andrew had already shown a disinterested attitude when I had emailed him about slow payouts, so I never bothered telling him.

Free double downs and splitting would be even more advantageous than seeing the dealer's hole card, I'd guess. Interesting thought experiment.

Dooglus - would you rather see the dealer's hole card every hand, or be allowed to double down and split for free?

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Activity: 784
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September 07, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
#93
Protip: Test your site before you bring it online, especially if it deals with other people's money.

Did you find a bug?  Were you aware that something was wrong on the site while you were winning?  I'm curious to know what happened here.

And yes, that logic seems flawed.  If you won more than the site made in several months when it didn't have the reputation of not being able to pay out, how is it going to recover that loss in a few weeks now that it's known to be out of funds?

Here's the secret (I actually PM'd him with my concern, it is fixed now) you could double down for free unless you busted, and splits were also free.  Since his TOS is 404'ed and he was not responding to e-mails, I just kept on playing.  I am assuming that he is letting me keep my winnings because I actually attempted to tell him about my concerns.  IMO he is not ever going to pay out the withdrawl attempts that fail.  Bottom line is: If you have any balance there, do not attempt to withdraw it until I tell you that my account is exhausted.  Once my 300btc have been withdrawn, it might be safe to attempt a withdrawl a week later. 
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
September 07, 2012, 12:32:39 PM
#92
Protip: Test your site before you bring it online, especially if it deals with other people's money.

Did you find a bug?  Were you aware that something was wrong on the site while you were winning?  I'm curious to know what happened here.

And yes, that logic seems flawed.  If you won more than the site made in several months when it didn't have the reputation of not being able to pay out, how is it going to recover that loss in a few weeks now that it's known to be out of funds?
legendary
Activity: 2940
Merit: 1330
September 07, 2012, 12:30:03 PM
#91
A website bug allowed shrewd blackjack players to win considerably more then the site has made in a number of months.  I'm not reversing those winnings but I'm not paying this out of pocket.  If a withdraw you make doesn't work try again next week or two or for a smaller amount. 

Out of interest, what was the bug?

Was it the case that the house edge was negative all along, and all you needed to do was play basic strategy to win?

I suppose you've fixed it now, so you're safe to tell us.  Smiley
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