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newbie
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August 24, 2012, 05:10:15 PM
#46
By this I take it that you believe:
- If someone notices a security flaw or a scammer, they should keep quiet and allow others to lose their money
- If someone notices an obvious "confidence loan," they should keep quiet and not warn others that it's probably just a scam-preceding reputation ploy.

Are you a social darwinist?

Perhaps I am naive.

There is however a difference in warning about a potential danger and outright calling someone a scammer or saying two people are the same person.

Example(not quoting anyone specific):

"Be careful as people with low reputations may not intend to pay back" or "There is a danger that both people are the same person trying to create the appearance of a reputation" <-- reasonable

"This person is clearly a scammer" or "There two people are clearly the same person" <-- baseless and unnecessary.

I don't know what social darwinism is. I do believe in assuming good faith when it is reasonable to do so, this does not mean extending credit but it does mean not accusing without basis.

The very best business relationships I have developed started with an assumption of good faith by either myself or the other party.
hero member
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August 24, 2012, 04:26:54 PM
#45
Geez folks. If you don't want to offer the loan then just don't do it and move on. If someone else gives the loan, and gets paid back then that is between exactly 2 people.

The lender and borrower are the only people with anything to say on this matter and the way you folks have trolled this thread with unfounded accusation is deplorable.

By most standards the borrower was a poor credit risk, but that does not make him a scammer automatically. The fact that the accusation continued after the loan was paid back just goes to show that minds were already made up.
By this I take it that you believe:
- If someone notices a security flaw or a scammer, they should keep quiet and allow others to lose their money
- If someone notices an obvious "confidence loan," they should keep quiet and not warn others that it's probably just a scam-preceding reputation ploy.

Are you a social darwinist?
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Marketplace for sensor data
August 24, 2012, 04:24:12 PM
#44
Oh cool!  Can someone lend me 1btc?  Same terms as the first guy?
newbie
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August 24, 2012, 04:13:11 PM
#43
Geez folks. If you don't want to offer the loan then just don't do it and move on. If someone else gives the loan, and gets paid back then that is between exactly 2 people.

The lender and borrower are the only people with anything to say on this matter and the way you folks have trolled this thread with unfounded accusation is deplorable.

By most standards the borrower was a poor credit risk, but that does not make him a scammer automatically. The fact that the accusation continued after the loan was paid back just goes to show that minds were already made up.
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August 24, 2012, 02:30:38 PM
#42
inb4 skydust is jcpham

Did you honestly just accuse me of being someone else? Seriously...
No offense but some of you guys have issues you need to work out with a professional.
I can't help you trust people.
Care to tell me why you accepted this loan?

I'll go make a sockpuppet now -- hopefully you'll accept that loan too.

Fine. Point for point, let me explain to you why I think you are all asses; especially each person that has questioned or made fun of me and the OP (over one bitcoin).

1. He has a vanity address, I don't even have a vanity address or care enough to make one. Looks like he took the time to establish an identity or presence here, which I won't even do.
I'll keep that in mind when I make my sockpuppet

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2. He also took the time to quote-for-quote reply to each hater/questionator in this thread. Which I respect, tbh.
Without actually addressing the criticisms

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3. Finally, It is still just one bitcoin and you can kiss my ass and I can do whatever the fuck I want to do with it in the end. Quit trying to police everyone, it isn't your goddamn job. If I want to loan money wildly to people who, according to the smarties on this forum, who blindly call out new users as scammers; well, this is my choice. When you make fun of me or tease me baselessly you show your ignorance in a way that I guess you just don't understand.
Sure, you can send your money to whomever you chose. However, enough scams happen on these forums that it would be wrong to not warn people of them.

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4. PS. 20%/day isn't bad.
It's bad for the borrower. Get a cash advance on your credit card or talk to the mob... or just buy a bitcoin yourself and sell it when you're done with it. Even that last method won't cost you 20%.
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I'm not like you and I'd hate to be like you is my point. Leave me alone and go enjoy your day. Quite frankly, you are wasting my time. I don't understand why I have to explain myself; I don't plan to make a habit of it either.
You have to explain yourself because "non-established user makes a successful loan to a newbie with no rep" is a very tired tactic on these forums, and almost every time it happens, both newbies either vanish or turn out to be scammers.
hero member
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August 24, 2012, 02:30:26 PM
#41
I'm not a "hater". LOL.

I was just curious why someone would need 1 BTC, and how they plan on paying back 1.2 BTC the very next day.

It was legitimate curiosity.


My internal guess was that someone wanted to play satoshidice.
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August 24, 2012, 02:07:26 PM
#40
inb4 skydust is jcpham

Did you honestly just accuse me of being someone else? Seriously...
No offense but some of you guys have issues you need to work out with a professional.
I can't help you trust people.
Care to tell me why you accepted this loan?

I'll go make a sockpuppet now -- hopefully you'll accept that loan too.
hero member
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August 24, 2012, 02:03:07 PM
#39
inb4 skydust is jcpham

Did you honestly just accuse me of being someone else? Seriously...
No offense but some of you guys have issues you need to work out with a professional.
I can't help you trust people.

In the lending subforum most are paranoid. You can see all kinds of elaborated scams around here, so everyone suspects about everyone.
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August 24, 2012, 01:55:19 PM
#38
inb4 skydust is jcpham
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August 24, 2012, 01:46:13 PM
#37
inb4 second, larger loan

you know, dank style.
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Your Argument is Irrelephant
August 24, 2012, 11:16:46 AM
#36
Oooh, fun. Looks like maybe a mixing service of some sort?

0.5 BTC sent FROM 1sky4vMh7e4FCBf9H3jnq5XkRXknLuq53 TO 1FpZuoLRmHi4V9fzJLkUyVBYd7DqnMdWC2
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16993760/d58c9a288b7582f17836ad679533c59e31d2ba34276953e7af0475317e998e37

the right answer is: instawallet.org

8bd7a176304da4420ac7513eb2c1e0c5ef61ffa019570f9b9a389581705b39cd

repay 1.2BTC to 1JViqFW7W5cjFoTSi4rupH8qJBMw5JxXdU in 24 hours.

thank you for your trust jcpham, 1.2 BTC repaid.
tx: fc284627049e03fdb496a4b4d3d2cf13717e1ca2d575401aaff133daa1399967

no problem Smiley
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August 24, 2012, 11:03:29 AM
#35
inb4 second, larger loan
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August 24, 2012, 10:57:08 AM
#34
Oooh, fun. Looks like maybe a mixing service of some sort?

0.5 BTC sent FROM 1sky4vMh7e4FCBf9H3jnq5XkRXknLuq53 TO 1FpZuoLRmHi4V9fzJLkUyVBYd7DqnMdWC2
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16993760/d58c9a288b7582f17836ad679533c59e31d2ba34276953e7af0475317e998e37

the right answer is: instawallet.org

8bd7a176304da4420ac7513eb2c1e0c5ef61ffa019570f9b9a389581705b39cd

repay 1.2BTC to 1JViqFW7W5cjFoTSi4rupH8qJBMw5JxXdU in 24 hours.

thank you for your trust jcpham, 1.2 BTC repaid.
tx: fc284627049e03fdb496a4b4d3d2cf13717e1ca2d575401aaff133daa1399967
legendary
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August 23, 2012, 04:40:23 PM
#33
Oooh, fun. Looks like maybe a mixing service of some sort?

0.5 BTC sent FROM 1sky4vMh7e4FCBf9H3jnq5XkRXknLuq53 TO 1FpZuoLRmHi4V9fzJLkUyVBYd7DqnMdWC2
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16993760/d58c9a288b7582f17836ad679533c59e31d2ba34276953e7af0475317e998e37

Then

2.099 BTC sent FROM 1FpZuoLRmHi4V9fzJLkUyVBYd7DqnMdWC2 (and 2 other addresses) TO 1xAs5ijYJG61hPUyrttRHys5DqrevjMfo and 1DcomNAUjZygzBdRZPS2PnmJ6GXnDrw8cP
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16993789/9cba8a88c2b39dd3683e87bbca9c5edec1d28b737c7a9a77cf12ed020710a22d

From there a whole lot of coins sent a whole lot of places, and eventually

0.5 BTC send FROM 14erdqJ2yZtNXB1Wm59qFZjpUrw7cabBaw TO 1sky4vMh7e4FCBf9H3jnq5XkRXknLuq53
http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16993828/b3b8b2effeb755ea25ccb45cd58a3fb53ddd3ad3cddcb998aa4821c3cb14f992
legendary
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August 23, 2012, 04:09:03 PM
#32
With great risk comes great reward.
Not necessarily.

I am much more intrigued now. Let's not be so dismissive of people.
He seems to have received an additional 0.4 BTC from the address 15fQ9aw3iRrKT1d6ojZkUudHyLMYaBvxGT, so either he found himself another lender, or he had about 100 BTC  stashed in 1ERaFrkrrdFUprEZvZyjeBKjX35KiV8BW7 and 18Xdi5MLCF2Pn7Ur2EKThrJ11beVteu6PS and used 15fQ9aw3iRrKT1d6ojZkUudHyLMYaBvxGT as a "pass-thru" address. Can't really tell which it is without knowing the ownership of at least one of the following addresses:

15fQ9aw3iRrKT1d6ojZkUudHyLMYaBvxGT
1ERaFrkrrdFUprEZvZyjeBKjX35KiV8BW7
18Xdi5MLCF2Pn7Ur2EKThrJ11beVteu6PS


It's sort of interesting to watch as the coin bounces around though.
legendary
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brb keeping up with the Kardashians
August 23, 2012, 04:02:03 PM
#31
I am much more intrigued now. Let's not be so dismissive of people. With great risk comes great reward.

You mean with no risk comes great reward.
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Your Argument is Irrelephant
August 23, 2012, 03:56:09 PM
#30
i want to get some experiences with the various bitcoin clients and to test a handful bitcoin projects.

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16987531/a13051d7421c2c7ffb71ad6868dd591db6270a42514448ea4c7cd74e2c91fd81

So, what you meant to say was that you had an urge to gamble, and you'd prefer to do it with someone else's money?

It seems you got lucky and won your bet, so you now have the 1.2 BTC to pay jcpham back (1.248962 BTC to be exact).  Will you be doing that right away and keeping the extra 0.048962 BTC for yourself? Or, are you greedy and going to continue to gamble with his money increasing the risk that you won't have enough to pay back the loan in full?

I am much more intrigued now. Let's not be so dismissive of people. With great risk comes great reward.
hero member
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August 23, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
#29
hero member
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August 23, 2012, 03:13:57 PM
#28
Is anyone surprised?
legendary
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August 23, 2012, 02:54:51 PM
#27
i want to get some experiences with the various bitcoin clients and to test a handful bitcoin projects.

http://blockchain.info/tx-index/16987531/a13051d7421c2c7ffb71ad6868dd591db6270a42514448ea4c7cd74e2c91fd81

So, what you meant to say was that you had an urge to gamble, and you'd prefer to do it with someone else's money?

It seems you got lucky and won your bet, so you now have the 1.2 BTC to pay jcpham back (1.248962 BTC to be exact).  Will you be doing that right away and keeping the extra 0.048962 BTC for yourself? Or, are you greedy and going to continue to gamble with his money increasing the risk that you won't have enough to pay back the loan in full?
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