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Topic: [Repaid]: 8 BTC loan. Between SagivS, Lone Shark, Condoras and FrilledShark + G (Read 1970 times)

legendary
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Merit: 1104
This is what I do. I drink and I know things.
I confirm that i get repaid and everything goes smooth.
Thanks Frilled Shark and Lone Shark for the cooperation, it's been a pleasure to work with you guys.
I also thanks our borrower for the trust that he show and ofc for his repayment. Hope to do business again...

Until the next "big" Loan, regards to all. Cool
hero member
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Loan is repaid, collateral returned and all lenders got their Bitcoins back.
As the collateral was returned over multiple withdrawals, transactions IDs will only be posted if necessary.

The rest of the transactions are as visible from the address: 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa
Lone Shark was sent 0.9173 BTC.

I would like to thank everyone participating and posting.
hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 500
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The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated
-snip-

the arithmetic okay?you did not make a mistake?
There were transferred 119K Bela back to me to hold as collateral. A lot of changes are made as time goes on. It is not an error, I just forgot to update the post with the transaction I got from him. It is not possible for me alone to post every single update and change of the borrower's mind here.



Yet another update:
The repayment process has begun:
Yesterday Sagivs repaid 3.5 BTC: f1bf43c8ec29fcff28c903cad6ae46faa93041bd737697e2175a08146a09bf21
25k worth of bela was released to the lender: 6ea033c99fbf7d35e02dccff3a3625ea6780ffb83d1d91a373c349bdbd4dab1d
sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 250
The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated
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the arithmetic okay?you did not make a mistake?

Probably a minor mistake. I have informed FrilledShark about it.
legendary
Activity: 3514
Merit: 1548
Get loan in just five minutes goo.gl/8WMW6n
The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated
-snip-

the arithmetic okay?you did not make a mistake?
hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 500
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New repayment strategy:
"On friday 3.5 btc will be transferred to 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa and 25k USD worth of bela will be transferred to B4Z7D2RGfCFPnHZxx2xyJ3fGo7tFUts5Pe
On saturday 3.5 btc will be transferred to 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa and 25k USD worth of bela will be transferred to BEGFLSHmyLDSr181A7gPodpuirCsumbJdH
On sunday the remaining btc of the loan will be transferred to 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa and 25k USD worth of bela will be transferred to BEGFLSHmyLDSr181A7gPodpuirCsumbJdH
On monday the remaining bela will be sent to BEGFLSHmyLDSr181A7gPodpuirCsumbJdH"
hero member
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Update requested by borrower:
I have held 519k Bela and hold 519k Bela currently. Main post will be updated in 24 hours.
Discussions have been ongoing about repayment types.

Post updated

Edit: (2017/4/5)
Condoras withdraw his part of the loan and with the corresponding interest.
New status is:
0 Condoras (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/condoras-740502)
0.8 Lone Shark (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lone-shark-909705)

7.2 FrilledShark (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/frilledshark-558148)
Transaction was sent from an exchange:
253b7f42a4f1b7b8edbd9cb62dc5ec1d10006841dd90d652511b64ea75b758c5
hero member
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The collateral amount were reduced by 119634.23550000 Bela.

Because of the recent rice in Bela, the borrower requested the last part of his collateral back.
All lenders agreed.

The ID is:
c7cd77240552c6843dfc1c9241a5bf8d0b48834e7d76250d297c515ac20afc5b

sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 250
I would be willing to fill up to 3.0 btc of this loan as well. Will PM OP

Didn't I tell you that this has already been filled?
newbie
Activity: 29
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I would be willing to fill up to 3.0 btc of this loan as well. Will PM OP
sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 250
Updates:

1. Sagiv added more collateral in light of the price drop of BELA. He added another 150,000 BELA. A total of 400,000 BELAs are now in possession of FrilledShark's poloniex account.

2. We have completed the 8 BTC loan. We sent the remaining 4 BTC via TX ID: https://blockchain.info/tx/cd723c3fbefe8664964006d4b7f1fd52f1e0389ff02a138d4ca5337dfdf9170b

3. Agreement back on track because the 400,000 BELA is worth 12btc which is 150% collateral versus our 8 BTC loan given to borrower.
hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 500
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From what I can tell, it looks like the "official" website of BELA, http://belacoin.org/ lists 5 pools, one of them seems to no longer be existent, and another is reporting mining 0 miners mining BELA currently. So it looks like that mining might be fairly centralized, and I have personally never heard of the pools, and cannot say how trustworthy/reputable those pools are.

I am not saying that you guys are in the middle of getting scammed, I am just saying that there are some risks of funding (part of) the loan prior to poloinex accepting the deposit. But then again, lending is the managing of risk, and balancing that risk with the potential reward of profiting engaging in certain transactions.
We are certainly aware of this.
We have looked at the risks and discussed them. We are currently looking at 2 very different risks.

1: Double spend by borrower.
 This risk is certainly very important, as it would result in a full loss of the collateral. We waited for about 90 confirmations, before we partially filled the loan. This was done, as the borrower has stated that they were sent from Poloniex. To back this up, he was able to prove this with screenshots.

2: Collateral losing value
 This risk is the biggest. As we are pretty sure the transaction came from Poloniex. We do not believe the collateral falls more then 50% in value, which is enough to cover the part we already filled. A cryptocurrency falling more then 50% in value is not unheard of, but it is a low risk.

We can't isolate one of the risk, without worrying about the other.


Edit:
I have updated the thread with more information regarding what was discussed yesterday.
copper member
Activity: 2996
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From what I can tell, it looks like the "official" website of BELA, http://belacoin.org/ lists 5 pools, one of them seems to no longer be existent, and another is reporting mining 0 miners mining BELA currently. So it looks like that mining might be fairly centralized, and I have personally never heard of the pools, and cannot say how trustworthy/reputable those pools are.

I am not saying that you guys are in the middle of getting scammed, I am just saying that there are some risks of funding (part of) the loan prior to poloinex accepting the deposit. But then again, lending is the managing of risk, and balancing that risk with the potential reward of profiting engaging in certain transactions.
sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 250
Just a heads up guys, the BELA/BTC price has increased ~4x in the past month (with a recent spike to 6x where it was a month ago), and around 12x since Sept 1 of last year. Also, in order to sell 8BTC of BELA, you will have about 2.5% in slippage based on the current orderbook on polo, and around 4.5% worth of slippage to sell 12BTC worth of BELA.

I am also not familiar with BELA, however if poloinex is asking for a certain number of confirmations, there is a good chance there is a good reason for this. I am not sure how centralized the mining (or equivalent) is for this coin.

Yes, we calculated for slippage and secured that aspect of the loan. That is why we have a 150% collateral with Stop at 121% and Loss at 115%. The only problem was that we did not expect a 2,000 confirmation requirement from Polo. 2,000 confirmations is 2.77 days which is totally unreasonable for any security reason, I think.
copper member
Activity: 2996
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Just a heads up guys, the BELA/BTC price has increased ~4x in the past month (with a recent spike to 6x where it was a month ago), and around 12x since Sept 1 of last year. Also, in order to sell 8BTC of BELA, you will have about 2.5% in slippage based on the current orderbook on polo, and around 4.5% worth of slippage to sell 12BTC worth of BELA.

I am also not familiar with BELA, however if poloinex is asking for a certain number of confirmations, there is a good chance there is a good reason for this. I am not sure how centralized the mining (or equivalent) is for this coin.
sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 250
Code:
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Lone Shark | March 1, 2017 9:27 +8GMT

This message is for the purpose of confirming this loan agreement. I confirm the following:

1. SagivS has contacted me for a loan of 8 BTC for his 12 BTC worth of Bela.
2. We have agreed to the terms.
3. I have a stake of 0.8 BTC in this loan. The rest are split between FrilledShark and Condoras, with the former having majority share.
4. All BTC have been pooled in the address 1ZEYEyyuAaD5k1HSzUA3b1GTbjx1RrdGa. Said address is under FrilledShark's control.
5. SagivS sent the 250,000 BELA coins to FrilledShark's Poloniex BELA address which is BSMgHScyeWQwWfC8bNUhv583RpUsh1sQEE.
6. We ran into problems with the required confirmations. BELA requires 2,000 confirmations on Poloniex which will take 2,000 * 2 minutes or 2.77 days. Which is stupid if you ask me.
7. As to appease both sides, we agreed to release half of the BTC loan while we are waiting for the BELA to confirm. The TX for this is d1b69b5cd671277f789ea3fb9b6310173eca3aef7ef328232ee763a3cd91bc98.
8. As of this writing we have 240 confirmations on the BELA transaction.

Please be advised.
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hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 500
I am the signed message, without I am not
Bela address:
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Bela:
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Bela:
BSMgHScyeWQwWfC8bNUhv583RpUsh1sQEE

Today: 2017-02-28
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sr. member
Activity: 588
Merit: 250
Could you PM me more info? I might be able to fill another BTC or more.

Hi DarkStar_, this is actually not a loan application or request. We are just here to publicize the loan transcation that would be going down. We are all just finalizing the agreement. Thank you for your interest though.

Cheers,
Lone Shark
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
Could you PM me more info? I might be able to fill another BTC or more.
hero member
Activity: 617
Merit: 500
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Today is 2017-2-27.
The pool address for our loan is:
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