Topic: Replacing DefaultTrust - page 4. (Read 16259 times)

Because people don't know how to take their arguments off of a thread like this and to a different Meta thread.

It is split quite evenly, yes. Unfortunately it's going to take a while to think of a solution that will satisfy most people.

Congrats Vod and TECHSHARE for scaring away the Bear

you are right that its a problem that no rules are written anywhere.
but that goes both ways: if there are rules its hard to change them when needed or to react fast in specific obvious cases .which got missed by the rules.

in this forum are very much users, so i think the best approach is to rely on the feeling of the staff.
yes thats not fair. but this is a forum and not a democracy.

i have seen vod and other staff members to change their feedback if needed and pointed out. i think thats ok.
they dont want to do that in your case - i dont think they are right with that decision so i have added you to my trust list.
to say it again: life is not fair...


vod is vod...
he acts fast and is often mistaken. but when thats the case he stands up and change it.
i dont think he is treated mich different than you. i really dont see any conspiracy here.

what i guess is the case: as vod is regularly posting feedback to new users he is an asset in detecting new scammers fast.
(at least this is my opinion)

another point: you have a sales thread and the staff thought (i wont comment on that) that you used your defaulttrust-power to tidy up your thread and gain a financial benefit from it.


i know and this is sad because they will get burned under any system and with any rules.

Caught you in a lie yet again.  Been proven many times already.   

I didn't vote because while I'm not sure default trust is the best solution, I've decided I don't think this is either, so I decided to stay out of it. It's easy to say everyone should make their own trust lists, and they should, but fact is newbies won't know who to trust.

I guess it's time to stop reading this thread, it's no longer productive.

You do whatever you can to silence criticism of yourself, including abusing the default trust.

You are still unable to provide an example to support your baseless accusation. Funny how it always works that way with you. Lots of bullshit, zero substance.

I do whatever I can.  But I don't lie, like you do.  You think everyone else is to blame but yourself for you losing default trust.   

3 paragraphs too much for you? At least I am trying to be constructive and improve the state of the community her by pointing out its flaws. What are you doing other than attempting to grief and ruin people's hard earned reputations?

TOO LONG ; DIDN'T READ?

TECSHARE is just being proven a liar yet again.  He's angry at the forum and the staff because he was removed from defaulttrust, and he will post anything to get ANYONE to feel the same way he does.  

 

You are misunderstanding and missing the parts for the whole. It is not just about ignoring reports or acting upon every tiny infraction, it is more the fact that no one ever attempted to communicate or display these rules anywhere, then they expect me to follow them to a T. Then when I stumble into an inevitably grey area (because it is all grey since the rules are not written), punishment is fast and without discussion or debate. This is not just about how the staff treat me, but how they treat everyone in general that they don't see as part of their little club.

I do feel deceived. I was added to the default trust, no one bothered to ever post any of these rules I am expected to obey, no one explained to me my newfound responsibilities to default trust, I was juts assumed to know the rules by using the way the rest of the community uses them by example. If I take users like VOD as the example of how to act here as my only way to determine the rules, then that is not a very good standard that clearly is enforceable against people like me, but not against people like VOD.

People are lazy. Alot of people don't bother clicking trusted feedback, or even clicking the trust page and they just look at the green numbers. you may know how the system works, but a LOT of people don't, nor do they care. they just go by what is easiest.

Just a fat man licking his own boob.

Don't worry - I look nothing like my avatar.   
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puhhh good for you
i was raised virginal (chaste / chastely ?)... not easy to overcome that

Just a fat man licking his own boob.

Don't worry - I look nothing like my avatar.   

my only problem with you is that your avatar is really confusing me

onemorebtc, I want to say thank you for trusting me, even after looking at my "untrusted feedback".  If you were to take that into account, I would be a pedophile rapist that is responsible for all the hacks ever in the bitcoin world! 

i have never received any answer to any of my reports (ok i dont have reported much)
i think (i may be wrong with this though) that they always point out your infractions because you
1) are vocal about it
2) there where threads made in scam accusation against you.

did they come to your sale thread and post there?
and vod... vod is vod... like him or hate him but he does the community a favor in my eyes


no you misunderstood me. everybody has the right and obligation to stand up  and to be critical.
but its a different between beeing critical and beeing passive aggressive. i think you are the latter because you feel deceived atm (at least thats how your wording enters my head - but i am not even a native speaker and my english is not really good).


but everybody can see your ratings and the feedback you got. people like me who consider your feedback trustful may just add you but its the right of the forum owner (he decided who is staff) to think that it is not good for the forum.

btw vod is also on my trust list. but i dont give a shit about the color under any username.. if i want to deal with someone i read all of the feedback - untrusted and trusted.

but after pirateat40 there are very few people here which i'd trust with money...and no feedback or trust could change that

Lol. Exagerate much? Yes you do. Your arguments have failed multiple times but you keep repeating them like a loon and expect to get different results (definition of insanity according to Einstein). You do love to use bizarre twisted logic and this is the kind of nonsense crazy conspiracytards come out with when they know they haven't got a reasonable point. And guess what? You've become one as I said from the very start. Everything you are saying is fabrication to try validate your point. You are wrong. There is no staff conspiracy to protect their money or silence you for criticising them you simply just abused the feedback system in an attempt to get your own way with amis and on your own terms (which you admitted) and that's it, but you have quite clearly lost the plot now.


They're not anonymous. theymos and BadBear negated you. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full


He reported something that wasn't against the rules. Basically what he wanted was for staff to abuse their power and bend the rules to remove and silence amis' posts that he didn't like. Old bumps are against the rules and should be removed so his point does nothing but to prove how he'll bring anything up to justify himself.
 

With this system, I could see large scams being pulled off because it would give members who haven't proved their legitimacy a high trust score. I think it would be misused by people who are friends and want to add each other to the trust list for added respect (Idk if it would work like this since you say it's random, or if you can go in and choose as well).

I am not asking to be treated better than anyone else. It is just clear to me they ALWAYS have time to point or any infractions I have made, and never have any time to reply to my reports, messages, etc, and are willing to enforce rules upon me they are also not willing to enforce upon others.

You might interpret me being critical as being hostile, but I do not agree. People should be free to be critical of staff or anyone on this forum without fearing intimidation and use of the trust system to extort people into complying with dictates.

It did take what I have earned. I spent 3 YEARS here trading, and making sure everyone I traded with was treated fairly and got everything they paid for and was happy (not as easy as it sounds). But adding me to the trust exclusion they make any new user using the default trust not see a large portion of my trust ratings, and significantly reduces my overall trust rating calculation. I NEVER SAID HE MADE IT JUST FOR ME, now you are just making things up and claiming that I said things I didn't. You might think this system is great now but just give it a few months after some of the higher ranking users learn that it is possible to take retribution upon lower ranked users with almost complete anonymity from everyone except for the staff. Imagine VOD's behavior for example if no one ever had any way to know he was abusing the trust system...

I don't see the word liar in there but ok. He may be implying it, but he so far hasn't straight up accused me of being a liar. Keep trying to grief, I am sure it will make you look more responsible.

hilariousandco just called you a liar, and he is on staff.  See how you lie?  

i dont see any reason why you should be treated better than anyone else. so i think its ok when your posts are reported just like anyone elses.


to be honest i think you are more hostile than staff in your writings. not a problem for me, but i never saw anything bad from mods against you - they stated their opinion and act that way. its their right


at first glance i think this is a good feature.
imagine an old user who has left much good feedback but trusts one guy who turned evil. as he dont come online often its a good thing thats its possible to remove it from the top.

this does not remove anything and dont take away anything you have earned.

as no one ever said they made this change because of you please dont make up conspiracy theories...