Reporting Proof Of Authentication posts

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Quote from: erikalui on August 04, 2019, 11:53:47 AM

I know it creates spam but I feel the Social network posts are also spamming the entire thread. Whenever I need to ask a question, my post gets lost among these comments and I don't get any reply unless I message the BM (who misses it at times as he is busy). These users keep quoting their posts which again should be not allowed (more than 3 quotes makes it look messy). 99% of the threads are filled with such posts and I feel that even if reporting is needed, the users can edit their OP instead of spamming the thread.

I'm not a fan of the proof of authentication posts, and believe there's other ways to automatically do this. Especially, with systems like Discord, and Telegram where they can setup automatic bots to determine whether a proof of authentication is formatted correctly, and acceptable. These could go in a dedicated channel which wouldn't be spammed to the public.

Although, I'm not a fan of allowing this sort of content on the forum it is allowed, unless they're offering an incentive to post them.

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Quote from: erikalui on August 04, 2019, 11:53:47 AM

These users keep quoting their posts which again should be not allowed (more than 3 quotes makes it look messy).

So I can actually report those macro-quotes of Twitter and Facebook links I see every time I get into Patrol? Grin

Oh man, this is going to be so much fun Grin

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In the case you're not aware, a lot of imposters try to impersonate you so from now, I will require you to make a post in the bitcointalk bounty thread everytime you will have finished a translation.

I have faced it many times that people kept submitting my work as theirs and posting their ETH address which is why proof of authentication posts became compulsory else even I couldn't claim my money.

I know it creates spam but I feel the Social network posts are also spamming the entire thread. Whenever I need to ask a question, my post gets lost among these comments and I don't get any reply unless I message the BM (who misses it at times as he is busy). These users keep quoting their posts which again should be not allowed (more than 3 quotes makes it look messy). 99% of the threads are filled with such posts and I feel that even if reporting is needed, the users can edit their OP instead of spamming the thread.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on August 04, 2019, 05:20:25 AM

For example some newbie could declare a Twitter account that belongs to someone else as theirs and although they would get into the campaign the victim's twitter account would remain inactive in terms of the bounty. This was why I guess, this posting a new post for authentication came in.

Although, proof of authentication posts here on the forum doesn't prevent users impersonating others any more than Google Forms. Email accounts are easy to create for google forms, and user registration here is easy too. As proven by the 100s of account farms which get uncovered now, and again which are abusing bounties.

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Quote from: TheUltraElite on August 04, 2019, 05:20:25 AM

If managers need a Proof of Authentication post to be able to enter that "bounty pool" then participants will do so. The forum does not have any system to go against this. Incentivizing people to post is a different issue, not related to this.

Off-site authentication using Google Forms would be great - where the entry on the forum would allow that person to enter on a prepared Google spreadsheet. But the problem that the same person has done it and not tried to impersonate someone else still remains.

For example some newbie could declare a Twitter account that belongs to someone else as theirs and although they would get into the campaign the victim's twitter account would remain inactive in terms of the bounty. This was why I guess, this posting a new post for authentication came in.

I am not sure, honestly. Because I also asked this in my thread, that created before this one.
New restriction on airdrops / proof of authentication posts. Is it real?
Then, Global moderator simply left a screenshot. After that, I checked, and found this one.

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/incentivizing-posting-via-low-effort-tasks-likes-follows-etc-is-not-allowed-3953664

Incentivizing posting within one or several threads via low effort tasks (e.g. signups or proof of participation for liking, following, subscribing, retweeting, tweeting a single tweet, joining a channel or group, etc.) is not allowed as it falls under the "no altcoin giveaways" rule (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/giveaway-threads-are-not-allowed-2103687):

Nevertheless, I have vague idea that Proof of Authentication posts are simply discouraged, not restricted in the forum. That is why those posts still be here.

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If managers need a Proof of Authentication post to be able to enter that "bounty pool" then participants will do so. The forum does not have any system to go against this. Incentivizing people to post is a different issue, not related to this.

Off-site authentication using Google Forms would be great - where the entry on the forum would allow that person to enter on a prepared Google spreadsheet. But the problem that the same person has done it and not tried to impersonate someone else still remains.

For example some newbie could declare a Twitter account that belongs to someone else as theirs and although they would get into the campaign the victim's twitter account would remain inactive in terms of the bounty. This was why I guess, this posting a new post for authentication came in.

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That is one of the most annoying kind of posts I saw. PoA for Facebook, Twitter is understandable, at somewhat extents, because it is hard for managers to know which are status/ tweets made from participants for bounties they promote. It takes time to check manually. However, as we pointed out, such things can be done through Form of Reports.
The more rediculous reports is some bounties ask for weekly reports on ten posts made during each week, that is definitely to bump their bounty threads. Nothing more. No needs to do weekly reports, because managers can easily check through post history.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 04, 2019, 03:47:47 AM

Of course that won't solve any of the spam problems, as they'll just require users to ~~post~~ spam Facebook and Twitter links.

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Quote from: hd49728 on August 03, 2019, 05:55:07 PM

that leads me to the conclusion that everything will be fine with participants whom do this only one time

It would be fine, if they only do this once in one thread. Come to think of it: instead of using the profile, there could be a centralized "Proof of Authentication" thread in which each user can post this only once! Then, whenever a bounty campaign requires PoA, he can just submit the direct link to his post in the other thread (in Google Forms).

Of course that won't solve any of the spam problems, as they'll just require users to ~~post~~ spam Facebook and Twitter links.

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One of forum staff, sapta, has requirement to make AUTHENTICATION posts in bounty threads for his participants, that leads me to the conclusion that everything will be fine with participants whom do this only one time (each week, each month, whatever depends on requirements of bounty managers).
This will be unacceptable if participants whom make Proof-of-Authentication posts more than once (per week, per month, that exceeds requirements of bounty managers.

Quote from: sapta on June 30, 2019, 03:38:30 AM

- In this thread, you only allowed to post AUTHENTICATION posts.

As you can see, sapta actually requires reports through form, not through posts in the forum. This is different than other bounty managers.

Quote from: LoyceV on August 03, 2019, 12:21:56 PM

In my opinion, it shouldn't be allowed at all!
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"Proof of authentication" is some sort of legalized bump spam

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This issue has been discussed in this section before and the reason why bounty managers ask participants for the proof of authentication post is to proof account legitimate owner. Automatically, proof of authentication post is to stop bounty spammers which use reputable forum members information to register a bounty.

I guess there no reason for it to be done off site.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 03, 2019, 09:12:23 AM

May I ask what the specifics are when reporting proof of authentication posts?

From what I have observed so far, it is reported when it's required for airdrops. I'm all for removing POA posts even in bounties but if we are to report those posts because it's a marketing plan to bump the thread, then we may as well do it on all bounty reports because it also has the same effect.

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Depends on what the aim behind that particular proof of authentication post is all about. Some are intentionally made to bump the thread, you can observe that by seeing duplicated proof of authentication post from the same user. If you have evidence of such, sure the moderators will delete post without hesitation.

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May I ask what the specifics are when reporting proof of authentication posts?

You can report when there isn't a need for a proof of authentication post for that particular project yet some users are still posting. Also when the campaign is over, yet some users are still posting a proof of authentication. Or when the proof of authentication post doesn't meet the criteria specified by the OP, usually post made in this manner are done mainly to bump the thread.

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In my opinion, it shouldn't be allowed at all! Many bounty spammers have their altcoin (Eth) address in their profile under "Location" already. Any other required data, such as a Telegram username, can easily be added to the profile under "Other contact info".
For bounty managers it's very easy to scrape those addresses from the profiles entered into Google Forms (and if they can't handle that, I or many other users would be more than happy to offer it as a service!). There is absolutely no need for millions upon millions of "proof of authentication" spam posts from thousands of Newbies, many of them using multiple accounts.

"Proof of authentication" is some sort of legalized bump spam: any topic that doesn't ask for it will instantly be burried under many pages of bounties that require to continuously bump their thread.
Banning it entirely would end the race for most bump spam in bounty threads.

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Most likely your report would marked "unhandled" or "bad". Proof of authentication is required from bounty manager in order to confirm correct participant. I am not against it, because if there is no proof of authentication then you might use my user name during Google form. And it has been happend with well reputed member of this forum. If there is Airdrop thread ask for proof of authentication then moderators should delete whole thread in my opinion. Moderators shouldn't handle proof of authentication post from general bounty thread. I know it would bump thread, but find them who bump on ANN thread, it's more important from bounty thread.

Most important thing is 'collect report', it's also consider a spam, it should be collected by Google form instead of make new reply on bounty thread.

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I asked about it here: New restriction on airdrops / proof of authentication posts. Is it real?
Then global moderator answered, but did not directly point exact point, but this one is what I guess global moderator meant

Quote from: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/incentivizing-posting-via-low-effort-tasks-likes-follows-etc-is-not-allowed-3953664

Incentivizing posting within one or several threads via low effort tasks (e.g. signups or proof of participation for liking, following, subscribing, retweeting, tweeting a single tweet, joining a channel or group, etc.) is not allowed as it falls under the "no altcoin giveaways" rule (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/giveaway-threads-are-not-allowed-2103687):

I still don't know why proof of authentication posts still burried the forum.

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Most persons ignore bounty threads altogether unless they are a part of the bounty. I think they are legitimate reasons for proof of authy.(bots,multiple accounts). There shouldn"t be any issues as long as they remain only in bounty section.

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As long as they post their Proof of Authentication posts in the bounty board you can't do much about it:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.37702167

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Accepting signups or requiring proof of participation for tasks requiring substantial effort (e.g. signature campaign signups, weekly social media campaign reports, media (videos, images, articles, etc.) bounty signups, etc.) via a thread posted in Bounties (Altcoins) is allowed though.

However, if someone is posting these posts in the Altcoin Announcement board or elsewhere, I do report these posts and they're getting deleted.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 03, 2019, 09:12:23 AM

I have often wondered why some proof of authentication posts are allowed and why they aren't.

It is allowed as long as it is not just for bumping the thread to be always at the top or gives incentives of posting it and why others aren't allowing it maybe it doesn't confine within this rule https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/users-posting-joined-type-posts-when-not-required-or-allowed-will-be-banned-2284371.

Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 03, 2019, 09:12:23 AM

My understanding is if they are offering a monetary incentive to post a proof of authentication post they should be reported. However is this not what all proof of authentication posts are?

Yes, giving incentive over a post should totally be reported, not all because some are just for proving ownership over the account, there are cases that an account has been on the google sheets even though that account totally not done anything, so to combat it the POA has been required, I can't tell when it started maybe by 1st quarter of 2018. Here's a good topic about it and @zenrol28 even made a suggestion to further enhance the POA system. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/using-signed-message-as-proof-of-authentication-participation-5049737

Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 03, 2019, 09:12:23 AM

May I ask what the specifics are when reporting proof of authentication posts? I will also put the suggestion out there that all proof of authentication posts should be done off site and made against the rules.

You can make this thread of mprep https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/users-posting-joined-type-posts-when-not-required-or-allowed-will-be-banned-2284371 as a basis of reporting those. Regarding off-site POA, I can't think of any.

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In my opinion, (Proof of Authentication) at the request of the campaign / management.
This is not one of the participants who entered the campaign, the participants only fulfilled the campaign requirements.

If you don't agree, just ignore it.

So it's not the wrong participant but the manager who asked for it.

If this one you suggest it might make sense.

Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 03, 2019, 09:12:23 AM

I will also put the suggestion out there that all proof of authentication posts should be done off site and made against the rules.

If you want to report, maybe you should root this board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=238.0

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I have often wondered why some proof of authentication posts are allowed and why they aren't. My understanding is if they are offering a monetary incentive to post a proof of authentication post they should be reported. However is this not what all proof of authentication posts are? They require members to post proof of authentication posts in order to get payment and lets be honest they are a marketing plan rather than anything else because it constantly bumps the thread.

May I ask what the specifics are when reporting proof of authentication posts? I will also put the suggestion out there that all proof of authentication posts should be done off site and made against the rules.

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