[Request] Scammer tags or account locking for supposed ASIC startups? Options?

BadBear

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Quote from: CharlieContent on March 18, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Many moderators are on the BFL payroll

Who?

BadBear is invested in BFL.

I have no idea what you're talking about, I have no investments in BFL or anything related to it. I rarely read anything mining related and haven't moderated anything there in over 2 months.

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I have seen private correspondence that proves this.

No you haven't.

Maged

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Quote from: CharlieContent on March 18, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Many moderators are on the BFL payroll

Who?

BadBear is invested in BFL. Gmaxwell has been promised free BFL units, ostensibly in support of his development. Gmaxwell is also extremely angry about how Avalon snubbed him, claiming publicly that Jgarzik was the only developer to purchase an Avalon unit and rewarding him accordingly. In actual fact Gmaxwell had also ordered a unit and he is absolutely seething about this, seeing it as a public humiliation. He is taking a very pro BFL moderation stance because of these two factors.

I have seen private correspondence that proves this.

If that is affecting their moderating decisions such that they break policy, contact theymos immediately with the details.

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 18, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

plus ad spot sales

Cablepair also bought many ad slots, and he now has a scammer tag.

Nowhere near as many, and when Cablepair did buy ads the price had already been forced up by BFL bidding. He would never have given you (and yes, I mean you, because we all know where a good proportion of that money ends up. Right in your pocket) so much money if BFL hadn't driven the prices up.

The money does not go in theymos' pocket. Many times, I wish some of it did, since he deserves it for the development work he has put into this forum.

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 18, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Theymos owns part of BFL.

I don't.

Well, I have seen email correspondence that indicates you have invested in BFL. So either are lying, or people at BFL are telling lies about you to people.

Send that information to me and the other moderators and we'll look into it.

CharlieContent

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Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Many moderators are on the BFL payroll

Who?

BadBear is invested in BFL. Gmaxwell has been promised free BFL units, ostensibly in support of his development. Gmaxwell is also extremely angry about how Avalon snubbed him, claiming publicly that Jgarzik was the only developer to purchase an Avalon unit and rewarding him accordingly. In actual fact Gmaxwell had also ordered a unit and he is absolutely seething about this, seeing it as a public humiliation. He is taking a very pro BFL moderation stance because of these two factors.

I have seen private correspondence that proves this.

Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

plus ad spot sales

Cablepair also bought many ad slots, and he now has a scammer tag.

Nowhere near as many, and when Cablepair did buy ads the price had already been forced up by BFL bidding. He would never have given you (and yes, I mean you, because we all know where a good proportion of that money ends up. Right in your pocket) so much money if BFL hadn't driven the prices up.

Quote from: theymos on March 17, 2013, 12:43:06 PM

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Theymos owns part of BFL.

I don't.

Well, I have seen email correspondence that indicates you have invested in BFL. So either are lying, or people at BFL are telling lies about you to people.

John (John K.)

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Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Quote from: Monster Tent on March 17, 2013, 06:15:48 AM

The largest ASIC seller still has no proof of a working ASIC miner so they need a scammer tag too.

...Many moderators are on the BFL payroll,..

They apparently missed me. Cry

I want my share for deleting so much of Inaba's trollings.

theymos

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Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Many moderators are on the BFL payroll

Who?

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

plus ad spot sales

Cablepair also bought many ad slots, and he now has a scammer tag.

Quote from: CharlieContent on March 17, 2013, 12:06:48 PM

Theymos owns part of BFL.

I don't.

CharlieContent

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Quote from: Monster Tent on March 17, 2013, 06:15:48 AM

The largest ASIC seller still has no proof of a working ASIC miner so they need a scammer tag too.

This won't happen. Many moderators are on the BFL payroll, plus ad spot sales, plus Theymos owns part of BFL.

Monster Tent

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The largest ASIC seller still has no proof of a working ASIC miner so they need a scammer tag too.

🏰 TradeFortress 🏰

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... just like a real advertising network?

BlackLilac Jordan

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Quote from: marra on March 06, 2013, 10:25:45 AM

Quote from: marra on March 05, 2013, 05:29:35 PM

This is the right thread for the idea which will sort things out, maybe a bit radical but there's no other way.

BitcoinTalk is respectful knowledge base.

Here i propose how everybody in the ASIC field should be treated here, scam wise. And this goes for all who have done nothing but show images, dates and flames through forum threads.

If a company can't submit whole pc board kit scheme as open source it should be treated as SCAM. No reasons why not to.

To Moderators of this forum, in order to sustain the level of credibility over here could you please block all the ASIC companies which haven't showed working device with independent confirmation?

Many thanks beforehand!

I can think of one company that fits this description that will certainly not be banned... they buy close to 100% of the ad spots on this forum, while driving the prices up.

Rampion

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Well, in the case of PrimAsic the scam is 100% proved.

Dalkore

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Quote from: John (John K.) on March 08, 2013, 01:04:48 AM

PS: I appreciate and thank you on the behalf of other users for pointing those out - I've been avoiding the Custom Hardware subforum of late as I didn't have ample time to sieve through the trollings.

Yeah I understand that reasoning. People do need to be responsible and do their own due diligence. What I don't like about these is that they are trying to take capital from miners who would help secure the network. Its a little different in case.

I do what I can, I waited and read up on all these before I decided to say something. If we all pitch in then we can keep some free market order in here

John (John K.)

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PS: I appreciate and thank you on the behalf of other users for pointing those out - I've been avoiding the Custom Hardware subforum of late as I didn't have ample time to sieve through the trollings.

John (John K.)

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Quote from: Dalkore on March 08, 2013, 12:55:17 AM

Quote from: John (John K.) on March 08, 2013, 12:52:03 AM

Quote from: Dalkore on March 08, 2013, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: John (John K.) on March 07, 2013, 11:19:39 PM

Quote from: nbtcminer on March 07, 2013, 10:45:35 PM

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lightning-miner-4ghs-80-usd-wow-148685) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two. It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money. Thanks much.

As per the forum rules, I unfortunately cannot remove those, not to mention that there are still no confirmed cases of actual users being scammed out of their monies.. I have added a footnote in each of the threads, and please remember that everyone is responsible for their own investments.

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Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Yes that is the policy. My question is why isn't there an exception when it become obvious? It doesn't bring undue bad attention to Bitcoin when likely scams are left until someone gets scammed, at that point isn't it to late. Would you change the policy if you could or do you think this is the best approach.

It would take a lot of time and effort on the enforcer to conclusively prove that 'X is a scam' before the actual scamming occurred. Not to mention the fact that the enforcer's character and beliefs would be tested - it's easy for someone biased to automatically point out that 'X is a scam' after merely seeing that 'X' came from Nigeria/Congo/*insert country where fraud is rampant*. The best one can do in this case is to point out the obvious risks to the greed-blinded users, and leave them with that. If we start to police the threads vigorously, it would be against the spirit of Bitcoin, where a free market policy stands behind it as opposed to the traditional nanny-state system.

Dalkore

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Quote from: John (John K.) on March 08, 2013, 12:52:03 AM

Quote from: Dalkore on March 08, 2013, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: John (John K.) on March 07, 2013, 11:19:39 PM

Quote from: nbtcminer on March 07, 2013, 10:45:35 PM

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lightning-miner-4ghs-80-usd-wow-148685) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two. It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money. Thanks much.

As per the forum rules, I unfortunately cannot remove those, not to mention that there are still no confirmed cases of actual users being scammed out of their monies.. I have added a footnote in each of the threads, and please remember that everyone is responsible for their own investments.

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Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Yes that is the policy. My question is why isn't there an exception when it become obvious? It doesn't bring undue bad attention to Bitcoin when likely scams are left until someone gets scammed, at that point isn't it to late. Would you change the policy if you could or do you think this is the best approach.

John (John K.)

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Quote from: Dalkore on March 08, 2013, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: John (John K.) on March 07, 2013, 11:19:39 PM

Quote from: nbtcminer on March 07, 2013, 10:45:35 PM

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lightning-miner-4ghs-80-usd-wow-148685) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two. It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money. Thanks much.

As per the forum rules, I unfortunately cannot remove those, not to mention that there are still no confirmed cases of actual users being scammed out of their monies.. I have added a footnote in each of the threads, and please remember that everyone is responsible for their own investments.

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Warning: Moderators do not remove likely scams. You must use your own brain: caveat emptor. Watch out for Ponzi schemes. Do not invest more than you can afford to lose.

Dalkore

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Quote from: John (John K.) on March 07, 2013, 11:19:39 PM

Quote from: nbtcminer on March 07, 2013, 10:45:35 PM

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lightning-miner-4ghs-80-usd-wow-148685) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

John - Can you please review the other two. It is looking pretty clear that they have no proof, no history on here and they are asking for pre-order money. Thanks much.

John (John K.)

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Quote from: nbtcminer on March 07, 2013, 10:45:35 PM

John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

I've moved this one (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lightning-miner-4ghs-80-usd-wow-148685) as the OP was asking if the company was a scam.

nbtcminer

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John the dog has moved a few in the scam accusation sub forum

CharlieContent

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You better hope that

A) A moderator isn't invested in the company or
B) The company hasn't made donations to the forum

Otherwise the scam will be allowed to continue here. That is how things work on this forum.

Rampion

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Didn't check the Russian bitcoins ASIC, but the other two are definitely a scam. Plenty of proofs of that.

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