Edit: I get block data with: getblock
Topic: Requesting Testnet4 tBTC - page 3. (Read 2333 times)
I submit header for block 52409 with submitheader, it returns "null". I submit the block with submitblock, I get "inconclusive". Why is it inconclusive? Both are executed from my virtual machine, which runs the v28 binaries, and there is no block 52409 mined yet.
Edit: I get block data with: getblock false
Edit: I get block data with: getblock
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How do I get block header from this information?
Code:
$ ./bitcoin-cli -testnet4 getblockheader 00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043
{
"hash": "00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043",
"confirmations": 52378,
"height": 0,
"version": 1,
"versionHex": "00000001",
"merkleroot": "7aa0a7ae1e223414cb807e40cd57e667b718e42aaf9306db9102fe28912b7b4e",
"time": 1714777860,
"mediantime": 1714777860,
"nonce": 393743547,
"bits": "1d00ffff",
"difficulty": 1,
"chainwork": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100010001",
"nTx": 1,
"nextblockhash": "0000000012982b6d5f621229286b880e909984df669c2afabb102ce311b13f28"
}
$ ./bitcoin-cli -testnet4 getblockheader 00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043 false
0100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004e7b2b9128fe0291db0693af2ae418b767e657cd407e80cb1434221eaea7a07a046f3566ffff001dbb0c7817
{
"hash": "00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043",
"confirmations": 52378,
"height": 0,
"version": 1,
"versionHex": "00000001",
"merkleroot": "7aa0a7ae1e223414cb807e40cd57e667b718e42aaf9306db9102fe28912b7b4e",
"time": 1714777860,
"mediantime": 1714777860,
"nonce": 393743547,
"bits": "1d00ffff",
"difficulty": 1,
"chainwork": "0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000100010001",
"nTx": 1,
"nextblockhash": "0000000012982b6d5f621229286b880e909984df669c2afabb102ce311b13f28"
}
$ ./bitcoin-cli -testnet4 getblockheader 00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043 false
0100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000004e7b2b9128fe0291db0693af2ae418b767e657cd407e80cb1434221eaea7a07a046f3566ffff001dbb0c7817
You don't. You send your block header first, and then the full block. You have "submitheader" and "submitblock" commands. If your header will arrive first, then you may win a block propagation game.
I generated block 52407 (not appeared in mempool.space). Raw coinbase transaction data:Code:
010000000001010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff0403b7cc00ffffffff0200f2052a01000000160014343fca89c852788c087728070f294e80ce72fe4a0000000000000000266a24aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf90120000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
TXID:
Code:
a9b1594d3f8fbda67b1e485b8a4de9c2d38fcc4cf93c4508f4eeb5d13538ed05
Code:
gettransaction a9b1594d3f8fbda67b1e485b8a4de9c2d38fcc4cf93c4508f4eeb5d13538ed05
{
"amount": 0.00000000,
"confirmations": 1,
"generated": true,
"blockhash": "0000000027521d8b76a73490f27087b3189fe7a7614a7cec0636f0412db5f88c",
"blockheight": 52407,
"blockindex": 0,
"blocktime": 1730058694,
"txid": "a9b1594d3f8fbda67b1e485b8a4de9c2d38fcc4cf93c4508f4eeb5d13538ed05",
"wtxid": "b9b7bd7aa1b6487d1d286b592f9de3cfa101fb68b60783c049fe8f34a59b4ab0",
"walletconflicts": [
],
"mempoolconflicts": [
],
"time": 1730051190,
"timereceived": 1730051190,
"bip125-replaceable": "no",
"details": [
{
"address": "tb1qxslu4zwg2fugczrh9qrs722wsr889lj2uktrpz",
"parent_descs": [
"wpkh(tpubD6NzVbkrYhZ4Y4tvSfi7jsD1MQz5Ecw2jMuZD43sT79UpkY99bKXSmTcVpaNsGEwSD3zWfypmabZT1vEbEUGHbZH5UkHvnReFpf6DVT3TRo/84h/1h/0h/0/*)#m2n7l9cq"
],
"category": "immature",
"amount": 50.00000000,
"label": "",
"vout": 0,
"abandoned": false
}
],
"hex": "010000000001010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff0403b7cc00ffffffff0200f2052a01000000160014343fca89c852788c087728070f294e80ce72fe4a0000000000000000266a24aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf90120000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
"lastprocessedblock": {
"hash": "0000000027521d8b76a73490f27087b3189fe7a7614a7cec0636f0412db5f88c",
"height": 52407
}
}
{
"amount": 0.00000000,
"confirmations": 1,
"generated": true,
"blockhash": "0000000027521d8b76a73490f27087b3189fe7a7614a7cec0636f0412db5f88c",
"blockheight": 52407,
"blockindex": 0,
"blocktime": 1730058694,
"txid": "a9b1594d3f8fbda67b1e485b8a4de9c2d38fcc4cf93c4508f4eeb5d13538ed05",
"wtxid": "b9b7bd7aa1b6487d1d286b592f9de3cfa101fb68b60783c049fe8f34a59b4ab0",
"walletconflicts": [
],
"mempoolconflicts": [
],
"time": 1730051190,
"timereceived": 1730051190,
"bip125-replaceable": "no",
"details": [
{
"address": "tb1qxslu4zwg2fugczrh9qrs722wsr889lj2uktrpz",
"parent_descs": [
"wpkh(tpubD6NzVbkrYhZ4Y4tvSfi7jsD1MQz5Ecw2jMuZD43sT79UpkY99bKXSmTcVpaNsGEwSD3zWfypmabZT1vEbEUGHbZH5UkHvnReFpf6DVT3TRo/84h/1h/0h/0/*)#m2n7l9cq"
],
"category": "immature",
"amount": 50.00000000,
"label": "",
"vout": 0,
"abandoned": false
}
],
"hex": "010000000001010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000ffffffff0403b7cc00ffffffff0200f2052a01000000160014343fca89c852788c087728070f294e80ce72fe4a0000000000000000266a24aa21a9ede2f61c3f71d1defd3fa999dfa36953755c690689799962b48bebd836974e8cf90120000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000",
"lastprocessedblock": {
"hash": "0000000027521d8b76a73490f27087b3189fe7a7614a7cec0636f0412db5f88c",
"height": 52407
}
}
How do I get block header from this information?
BTW, I randomly generated a block that was accepted by the network: https://mempool.space/testnet4/block/0000000044ea653dce3aa39a18f2a044b0a3712e462c1fa11064bc45a51db0df. That's some luck.
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Question, how do you send a coinbase transaction to other peers?
You don't. You send your block header first, and then the full block. You have "submitheader" and "submitblock" commands. If your header will arrive first, then you may win a block propagation game.Quote
Am I missing anything?
Caching I guess, if the source code is the original one. Try to clean up your build folder (if you are building things from source code). Or, you can pull the latest master, just to be sure. Or: compare it with original binaries, and see, if they also show you the minimal difficulty.By the way, after I enabled difficulty adjustment in regtest, it seems to jump from 0x207fffff into 0x1e09debb. Didn't expect that, it should increase or decrease by four times at maximum. My plan was to use the real CPU difficulty as "ASIC" blocks, and 0x207fffff as "CPU" blocks. Still trying to debug it.
The winner is the fastest device, which will announce it before other nodes.
The winner is the fastest device, as long as the ASIC miners ignore reality, for if they decide to compete by reorging (as there is no money at risk), only the most powerful wins. And, I'd say it's a matter of time until this happens, because tBTC4 are worth real money. Quote
And that is the answer, why you can see a lot of blocks in your node, in this 20 hours rule network. Because a lot of them have just a CPU difficulty. And then, only when a new block appears, which has the real network difficulty, only then they disappear, because then, such block brings a bigger chainwork.
So, to cut a long story short: To mine using your CPU, you need to be prepared to broadcast the transaction at the right time. Question, how do you send a coinbase transaction to other peers? Bitcoin Core does not allow me with sendrawtransaction. (code -26)BTW, I just setup a Bitcoin Core v28 testnet4 node (without garlonicon's modifications), and difficulty is 1. Am I missing anything?
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but how have you come to that conclusion?
1. Get all block hashes from a given difficulty period.2. Check "bits" value in each block header.
3. If it is equal to 0x1d00ffff, then count it as a CPU block, if not, then ASIC (that is the reason, why the first period has only CPU blocks).
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since 86% of the blocks of this difficulty period were mined by CPU, then what were we talking about in the previous page?
If you have a CPU-mined block, then it doesn't matter, who mined it. You can mine it on your CPU, GPU, ASIC, doesn't matter. But: the winner is not the most powerful device. The winner is the fastest device, which will announce it before other nodes.Also, even if ASICs mine blocks with CPU difficulty, then you can challenge that block with a CPU, and reorg it. But obviously: blocks with the real network difficulty are used to finally decide, what is the real chain.
And that is the answer, why you can see a lot of blocks in your node, in this 20 hours rule network. Because a lot of them have just a CPU difficulty. And then, only when a new block appears, which has the real network difficulty, only then they disappear, because then, such block brings a bigger chainwork.
So, in practice, you have a long chains of CPU-mined block, which are then picked by some ASIC-mined block.
As you can see, in the current difficulty period, we have 1715 out of 1976 blocks, mined by CPUs.
I feel stupid for asking, but how have you come to that conclusion? Did you just check the block hashes, and count which ones have a work of difficulty=1? And an even better question (which I'm not feeling so dumb for asking): since 86% of the blocks of this difficulty period were mined by CPU, then what were we talking about in the previous page? I thought we were acknowledging defeat to ASIC dominance. Quote
shouldn't an equilibrium between difficult blocks and easy blocks be reached?
I guess it is not yet fully reached. Let's see some statistics:Code:
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| index | hash | bits | difficulty | CPU blocks | ASIC blocks |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 0 | 00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | 2016 | 0 |
| 2015 | 00000000962a7fc2ef639196051fe181ed53ac6aa4cdfead14dca90f58aa36bc | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 2016 | 0000000022553c1da1031726d09b8fa37ac3c03165d0972ae954dd1c90c7cbda | 1c3fffc0 | 4.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 4031 | 000000002ad661157c553c0bbbb2490407adb1c8ac09f2b2a7174f87eeeb64bf | 1c3fffc0 | 4.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 4032 | 000000000792f7a84c017b63468ed7132f8069841a921d39716e2ff14d950fd3 | 1c0ffff0 | 16.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 6047 | 000000000be3ff43cde9eed4d6b2d4ad16c4f9509ccb94e1001af68e2f6647b3 | 1c0ffff0 | 16.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 6048 | 000000000376f28a9df7bf1d45470d084ed09e78625e3e25109a7f11b2fa266f | 1c03fffc | 64.00000000 | 1 | 2015 |
| 8063 | 00000000001ef2e4c2fc174354ed357cf313725fc336092733b2699d36342ff8 | 1c03fffc | 64.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 8064 | 00000000002edbad13892451b053e4e75ec54b1f3ce5d00f808baa1e4e9bc65e | 1c00ffff | 256.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 10079 | 000000000025269f9fa4b0832ccbfef682d59c0fa8845b0c22cc24a1973f011a | 1c00ffff | 256.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 10080 | 000000000018828dad355a5ea172793b807de4e80cec54b6b5d3aef93b3996d1 | 1b3fffc0 | 1024.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 12095 | 000000000014b2d6b2ad804d5deb8d5b4a58caf152f6cea5600af0d9348dff29 | 1b3fffc0 | 1024.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 12096 | 000000000007e1b5b1a23cad1175ed4d2e9a88a12222a16cdf0019a35c634c61 | 1b0ffff0 | 4096.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 14111 | 000000000003c067c302d43c9499da6e382260252a2a29caf9748ee6972d5f01 | 1b0ffff0 | 4096.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 14112 | 0000000000021e11392499ed1c7087d5c0a6724dd7ff0638619af86e6cc7e82c | 1b03fffc | 16384.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 16127 | 000000000002180d23f15ba0b8161d9d38d03c61ab51d050c57928e1a7d98e0c | 1b03fffc | 16384.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 16128 | 00000000000022bc5e9ca16af6e2715359ed600774b2558e18988c0e8402aab3 | 1b00ffff | 65536.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 18143 | 000000000000ed8722220a13b09d968a59686af5fc5c1e0a86371a498209fa72 | 1b00ffff | 65536.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 18144 | 0000000000001e4a4c72e90664fb71ceef9900bf382604b58536ec9f90eb8729 | 1a3fffc0 | 262144.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 20159 | 0000000000003e82df3830ff7c05a58745a463a59d1097e160e47ac7aeb5323a | 1a3fffc0 | 262144.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 20160 | 0000000000000983ebe71bcdefae0c2321226f32f105b44a03a0d90f232ecc6f | 1a0ffff0 | 1048576.00000000 | 2 | 2014 |
| 22175 | 0000000000000c3f18b9a30269c4b53dd107bacf20482e4ec660e9970999a99f | 1a0ffff0 | 1048576.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 22176 | 00000000000001a9c042d9f44e74e78446410217f9f3d671f1ced3ea720d94e3 | 1a03fffc | 4194304.00000000 | 4 | 2012 |
| 24191 | 00000000000002901853780dc8a63efd4d72359d8de7e14dc0398ccfc53d45cd | 1a03fffc | 4194304.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 24192 | 0000000000000086fdd9b2b5982dc5ecadb8f25445a45306a7d9798b8f441064 | 1a00ffff | 16777216.00000000 | 79 | 1937 |
| 26207 | 00000000000000a6ff1615113d25eeed8554813e4994f8ef7ce96458083d14cf | 1a00ffff | 16777216.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 26208 | 000000000000007160fe744c7e59f6cc4b75555f62cc67948f6607040e039304 | 19780d66 | 35775244.73240253 | 685 | 1331 |
| 28223 | 000000000000006e2d4fa8204c67c0986f9bb0214990b11043d0653d50755f54 | 19780d66 | 35775244.73240253 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 28224 | 0000000000000011020fcb8f6021592338c5630f61bf42dcf433f410542a77ed | 1a0082a5 | 32874715.22081029 | 425 | 1591 |
| 30239 | 00000000eaf8e0ea253d833614892aed70c55e5dc4b4d6709dd6420b8284debb | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 30240 | 00000000000000120d7606024929d5f9eca5de12ec56b804cfa90e70b66de7e5 | 1973b070 | 37124480.30118410 | 699 | 1317 |
| 32255 | 0000000000000063d3ca489d113ded6196c99f3785b61a8ded9254ebb96bc765 | 1973b070 | 37124480.30118410 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 32256 | 000000000000002225e8da5b94adcab32a8a51d8d9a975b1275cce751dccd2d5 | 19788fdf | 35624009.93771160 | 487 | 1529 |
| 34271 | 000000000000003f684cab6cdb7fe6e98cb13318bb45acdc2d2e2d7405b8bcbe | 19788fdf | 35624009.93771160 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 34272 | 000000000000004c9e6897dc3d20c1c612a2876bfe323afc20af8837cd5e628a | 19572ce1 | 49267411.23518301 | 765 | 1251 |
| 36287 | 000000000000001f735b5a23732fb201cf6343b373c94a35f04e6b6075591889 | 19572ce1 | 49267411.23518301 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 36288 | 000000000000004762bd79df2825434206b092996a32c4f224d1d1fda1ab5e6f | 19609307 | 44472500.68822794 | 676 | 1340 |
| 38303 | 000000001c247a1eb479ecc56ea7d7529f0c4afb6b7025f437a7d235454cd6a4 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 38304 | 0000000000000027fad48a2c15c347840f9f95c185553b3aa968959d39cfeca4 | 1954fa04 | 50542155.96390609 | 658 | 1358 |
| 40319 | 00000000acd1400a4801f361d675644993ad05e5b735a881f26746ece767521e | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 40320 | 0000000000000011e7cf114aa4980cbd74c2c07fccc8b025480dd4b7e1d96110 | 194d9574 | 55358228.00276604 | 1089 | 927 |
| 42335 | 00000000542792e54a720567ba66157d48cdae7bfd01c1b678d0f07a2ed56e99 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 42336 | 0000000000000016be66ab39af9f97e1294080c94d0a34cc304e391794a481bd | 1949d95f | 58157803.15063407 | 1222 | 794 |
| 44351 | 00000000ca301f565989627133247615bc937b52c68f8f4b342b6c2aeebff7ba | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 44352 | 000000000000000e9fc1f0c52e1c666117390e21d8c9341ec64c0f2f89d5b071 | 1925d988 | 113472450.02796190 | 1572 | 444 |
| 46367 | 00000000e4ad2ec95dfddce6a554f626c9995e465b067e72528f6ae164fc58d2 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 46368 | 000000000000000b655f2a9aae8935af546e7a98206308b528a9a418817b6755 | 191c863c | 150569646.78157160 | 1656 | 360 |
| 48383 | 00000000761cd6bff5e11258943e401e1bb094a8013e810e1d6031ce273a4b7c | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 48384 | 000000000000000926c6550e123e4825ae9210bf79bb1efbc7af0d11e18a8b8a | 191761d3 | 183683117.04108210 | 1658 | 358 |
| 50399 | 00000000082032b915c151f1bb9892fe924013539924a34ec8b9bdea16eb7374 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 50400 | 000000000000000b284a03e3987f4d926685e368cf27c46765113c8d97a38d19 | 1911826a | 245290781.98250450 | 1715 | 261 |
| 52375 | 0000000000440d8980a1b43a666ee8d538b88ede8bfefbb585646bd5d21b02c2 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | +/- 40 | +/- 40 |
| 52415 | 40 blocks to be mined, 1976 ready from 2016 | | | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
As you can see, in the current difficulty period, we have 1715 out of 1976 blocks, mined by CPUs. Which means, that currently, CPU miners reached something around 86% network domination, when it comes to producing blocks.| index | hash | bits | difficulty | CPU blocks | ASIC blocks |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 0 | 00000000da84f2bafbbc53dee25a72ae507ff4914b867c565be350b0da8bf043 | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | 2016 | 0 |
| 2015 | 00000000962a7fc2ef639196051fe181ed53ac6aa4cdfead14dca90f58aa36bc | 1d00ffff | 1.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 2016 | 0000000022553c1da1031726d09b8fa37ac3c03165d0972ae954dd1c90c7cbda | 1c3fffc0 | 4.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 4031 | 000000002ad661157c553c0bbbb2490407adb1c8ac09f2b2a7174f87eeeb64bf | 1c3fffc0 | 4.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 4032 | 000000000792f7a84c017b63468ed7132f8069841a921d39716e2ff14d950fd3 | 1c0ffff0 | 16.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 6047 | 000000000be3ff43cde9eed4d6b2d4ad16c4f9509ccb94e1001af68e2f6647b3 | 1c0ffff0 | 16.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 6048 | 000000000376f28a9df7bf1d45470d084ed09e78625e3e25109a7f11b2fa266f | 1c03fffc | 64.00000000 | 1 | 2015 |
| 8063 | 00000000001ef2e4c2fc174354ed357cf313725fc336092733b2699d36342ff8 | 1c03fffc | 64.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 8064 | 00000000002edbad13892451b053e4e75ec54b1f3ce5d00f808baa1e4e9bc65e | 1c00ffff | 256.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 10079 | 000000000025269f9fa4b0832ccbfef682d59c0fa8845b0c22cc24a1973f011a | 1c00ffff | 256.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 10080 | 000000000018828dad355a5ea172793b807de4e80cec54b6b5d3aef93b3996d1 | 1b3fffc0 | 1024.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 12095 | 000000000014b2d6b2ad804d5deb8d5b4a58caf152f6cea5600af0d9348dff29 | 1b3fffc0 | 1024.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 12096 | 000000000007e1b5b1a23cad1175ed4d2e9a88a12222a16cdf0019a35c634c61 | 1b0ffff0 | 4096.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 14111 | 000000000003c067c302d43c9499da6e382260252a2a29caf9748ee6972d5f01 | 1b0ffff0 | 4096.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 14112 | 0000000000021e11392499ed1c7087d5c0a6724dd7ff0638619af86e6cc7e82c | 1b03fffc | 16384.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 16127 | 000000000002180d23f15ba0b8161d9d38d03c61ab51d050c57928e1a7d98e0c | 1b03fffc | 16384.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 16128 | 00000000000022bc5e9ca16af6e2715359ed600774b2558e18988c0e8402aab3 | 1b00ffff | 65536.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 18143 | 000000000000ed8722220a13b09d968a59686af5fc5c1e0a86371a498209fa72 | 1b00ffff | 65536.00000000 | | |
+-------+------------------------------------------------------------------+----------+--------------------+------------+-------------+
| 18144 | 0000000000001e4a4c72e90664fb71ceef9900bf382604b58536ec9f90eb8729 | 1a3fffc0 | 262144.00000000 | 0 | 2016 |
| 20159 | 0000000000003e82df3830ff7c05a58745a463a59d1097e160e47ac7aeb5323a | 1a3fffc0 | 262144.00000000 | | |
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I guess the maximum value would be somewhere around 90% in practice, but I didn't fully tested it yet. My first guess is that it is related to Median Time Past rule of 11 blocks, where you can produce up to six blocks per second, so ASICs are left with 1/6th of the supply (because they bring back the real time in blocks, so the same timestamps are produced over and over again, until MTP rule forces it to be moved forward).
There are no victims there are juts people who want free money and think that this is a way to get it.
I called them victims because there's someone who takes advantage of them. That "someone" also wants free money, he's just much better at getting it.Yeah, be at least the scammer put some effort into it. The took the time and created the scam and the things that were needed to deal with it.
The person who wanted the free magical internet money just treated it like an online shopping experience and sent their money to someone who was going to just send them more free money in return.
When I send my money to Amazon I expect cat food and some toothpaste to show up. [Well it's Amazon I figure it's a 50 / 50 chance] I don't expect to be able to order 500 $10 bills for the cost of 500 $1 bills.
Slightly off topic but kind of on point. As of now ETH staking will get you between 3.5% to 4% if you are sitting there running your own validator.
That is the most you are going to get.
But there are places still offering more because they 'know the secret sauce' but you can't control your keys and everything else you have to send your coins to them for them to control. Sooner or later it's going to end poorly. But people still do it. Instead of doing the research and figuring out it's impossible.
-Dave
Edit: And to those I merited I was a bit cheap with them since I am down to my last 10 that I can give out. Will send more sooner or later.
Perhaps a bit harsh, but things like this are not any different then the people selling 'gold as the best investment' and then selling you gold at 15% above what you can get it for just about anyplace else.
There's nothing wrong with that, IMO. Gold is less saleable than Bitcoin, so it's reasonable that you'll get higher prices for the people nearby you. If you want to buy gold at the market price, then be responsible and look it out yourself.I called them victims because there's someone who takes advantage of them.
But does he, really? If you look at it objectively, there's a buyer and a seller. The seller sells at price X because he believes his thing is worth less than X, and the buyer buys at price X because he believes it's worth more. If either of them thought the price was inappropriate, the trade would not take place. Therefore, both need to be happy with the rules, and there's no "item description" that the buyer is unaware of, to consider it a fraud. Everything is transparent.Both are equally guilty for whichever outcome.
There are no victims there are juts people who want free money and think that this is a way to get it.
I called them victims because there's someone who takes advantage of them. That "someone" also wants free money, he's just much better at getting it. That's just a matter of twisting the narrative: they loved the halving block, so why not start their own testnet Ordinal BS from the same hash as the halving block?
What would it matter if nobody paid attention? They're attention seekers. They don't care to test or learn. They just want to throw it on your face, so you can be the next fool.By the way: when testnet4 ASIC miners will start reorging CPU-mined blocks, it will have the same effect.
Can we call this a 99.9999% attack on CPU-miners?There are no victims there are juts people who want free money and think that this is a way to get it.
Or they know better then everyone else and their new best friend they found on the internet is going to get it for them.
If someone pulled out a gun or a knife or threatened them in some way to buy them then they are victims.
These are just suckers / idiots getting what they deserve.
Perhaps a bit harsh, but things like this are not any different then the people selling 'gold as the best investment' and then selling you gold at 15% above what you can get it for just about anyplace else.
-Dave
Also, if nothing will be fixed, then ASIC miners will mine a single block per difficulty adjustment, and then, you will have 99% blocks, mined by CPUs.
With one block per 20 minutes, that means the difficulty will drop by 50% and ASIC miners will mine twice as much again. To reach 1 block per 10 minutes, shouldn't an equilibrium between difficult blocks and easy blocks be reached?Quote
So, blocking CPU miners is the only rational action.
Why not just get rid of it? Drop the difficulty by 80% after 20 minutes, instead of dropping to 1. If that's not enough, drop it 80% again 20 minutes later, and keep repeating that. Within a 2 hour window, that's not enough to make CPU mining viable, but it's enough to keep testnet going in case a large ASIC miner stops after making it very difficult.Quote
And, I guess if testnet4 coins are traded, then we should switch into testnet5 anyway.
Then testnet5 will be traded. The only way I can think of to discourage speculation on a price increase is by announcing the replacement early enough. If each testnet lives 6 months, there's not much to speculate. Quote
Can we call this a 99.9999% attack on CPU-miners?
Mining test coins on a CPU is the actual attack. Blocking them will just bring things back to normal.Also, if nothing will be fixed, then ASIC miners will mine a single block per difficulty adjustment, and then, you will have 99% blocks, mined by CPUs. So, blocking CPU miners is the only rational action. And, I guess if testnet4 coins are traded, then we should switch into testnet5 anyway.
That's just a matter of twisting the narrative: they loved the halving block, so why not start their own testnet Ordinal BS from the same hash as the halving block?
What would it matter if nobody paid attention? They're attention seekers. They don't care to test or learn. They just want to throw it on your face, so you can be the next fool.By the way: when testnet4 ASIC miners will start reorging CPU-mined blocks, it will have the same effect.
Can we call this a 99.9999% attack on CPU-miners? Quote
How difficult would it be to set up custom testnets?
Let's see:Code:
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=007551
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=517551
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=527551
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=537551
...
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=04ffffffff7551
If you create something around 2^32 signets, then I guess some of them will collide with the original one. Also, just by picking "./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=517551
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=527551
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=537551
...
./bitcoin-qt -signet -signetchallenge=04ffffffff7551
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It does not allow you to test things across long periods of time.
If you have a network, which is persistent, then those coins are traded. So, they should quickly disappear, to not get any value on any exchange.Quote
It rather sounds like a complicated way to achieve a temporary regtest network.
In the code, it is a single boolean value, which decides, if difficulty drop after 20 minutes is allowed or not. In case of mainnet, it is simply set to false, but you can change it. By the way: when testnet4 ASIC miners will start reorging CPU-mined blocks, it will have the same effect. And then, if you would be unable to CPU-mine any blocks, then mining on testnet4 or mainnet would be the same, from the perspective of a CPU miner.Quote
However, the regtest starts sounding like the most appropriate way to resolve this problem.
Regtest is too bloated, with the chain speed of six blocks per second. It simply means, that you can produce up to 24 MB/s, and everyone would be forced to handle such traffic. That's just a matter of twisting the narrative: they loved the halving block, so why not start their own testnet Ordinal BS from the same hash as the halving block?
What would it matter if nobody paid attention? They're attention seekers. They don't care to test or learn. They just want to throw it on your face, so you can be the next fool. Quote
But then I remember the ICO people collected billions of dollars for their crap. I'm just amazed how profitable all this is.
I'm unsure how profitable it really is, but I'm amazed at how much money people are willing to risk on empty, worthless instruments. People make wild, irrational decisions just for a brief moment of feeling like they're printing money out of thin air. It's an interesting idea, but I think we're overlooking the human behavior aspect. These people don't necessarily act rationally, so a logical solution might not be the best one. I imagine they prefer to align with what is widely used by others, as it allows them to promote it at them.
That's just a matter of twisting the narrative: they loved the halving block, so why not start their own testnet Ordinal BS from the same hash as the halving block?What really gets me is how much money they're throwing at this in transaction fees. But then I remember the ICO people collected billions of dollars for their crap. I'm just amazed how profitable all this is.
There could be endless different testnets, and those ordinals spammers could happily create as many of their own testnets at they want.
It's an interesting idea, but I think we're overlooking the human behavior aspect. These people don't necessarily act rationally, so a logical solution might not be the best one. I imagine they prefer to align with what is widely used by others, as it allows them to promote it at them. In your example, rather than creating their own chain, they might simply adopt whichever option has the highest usage among regular testnet users. This would sooner or later lead to a cat-and-mouse situation. Some people, apparently, try to recreate or move Ordinals on testnet4: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/utxo-sat-range-on-btc-testnet4-5515748.
It beats having it on mainnet, so that's something. How difficult would it be to set up custom testnets? So instead of starting Bitcoin Core with "-testnet", you start it with "-testnet 000000000000000000011192c75d0a9cd5b7f11ed7cfa35f625d549b8aa093a7", after which it takes the hash of Bitcoin block 867462 as a starting point, and anyone else who uses the same startup options, will connect to this new testnet. There could be endless different testnets, and those ordinals spammers could happily create as many of their own testnets at they want. Jump to: