As I mentioned before, I don't have any options to set the fee.. I just input the address and the amount I want to send. I never set any fee and this was the only time my payment didn't include the fee, thus the problems with the confirmation!
Thanks
Topic: [RESOLVED] Dangerous situation with unconfirmed transactions! (Read 2821 times)
December 18, 2014, 08:43:22 PM
I think it is actually the opposite. When I use iOS, I am "forced" to pay a fee (I assume the same is true for their android app). When you use their website (and probably their chrome extension) you have the option of using their 'custom send' feature where you can set the exact amount of the fee you wish to include
But he didn't seem to be using the "custom send" feature since he specifically said:
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there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field.
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there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field.
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December 17, 2014, 09:31:44 PM
I think it is actually the opposite. When I use iOS, I am "forced" to pay a fee (I assume the same is true for their android app). When you use their website (and probably their chrome extension) you have the option of using their 'custom send' feature where you can set the exact amount of the fee you wish to include
But he didn't seem to be using the "custom send" feature since he specifically said:
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there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field.
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there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field.
- snip -
December 17, 2014, 08:26:12 PM
Blockchain.info really does not use software in a sense that people have a choice which version they use (or even have any idea what version they are using). The majority (probably 99%+) of their users access their wallet service via their website and could really only use an "old" version if they are running it from the cashe in their browser.
In theory he could have used their software from github and host it locally, but I would kind of doubt he was doing this
In theory he could have used their software from github and host it locally, but I would kind of doubt he was doing this
They have an iOS app, an Android App, and a Chrome Plug-in in addition to their website.
If the website was used, then the fee would have been included. Therefore, it seems clear that he was using one of their other other clients.
December 17, 2014, 01:56:40 PM
i used the website version. that's why i was curious about the fee, since i haven't seen a place to enter the fee amount.
December 17, 2014, 12:40:18 AM
Blockchain.info really does not use software in a sense that people have a choice which version they use (or even have any idea what version they are using). The majority (probably 99%+) of their users access their wallet service via their website and could really only use an "old" version if they are running it from the cashe in their browser.
In theory he could have used their software from github and host it locally, but I would kind of doubt he was doing this
In theory he could have used their software from github and host it locally, but I would kind of doubt he was doing this
They have an iOS app, an Android App, and a Chrome Plug-in in addition to their website.
If the website was used, then the fee would have been included. Therefore, it seems clear that he was using one of their other other clients.
December 16, 2014, 10:31:22 PM
I also have a unconfirmed transaction that is from 2014-12-14 20:24:54.
https://blockchain.info/tx/0675404580999467a409ac712d346f2f0be6756cbbcfcc93aeaf9c321528d87b
it was sent from a blockchain wallet. I see you guys are talking about low fees, but there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field. What shall I do with this transaction???
https://blockchain.info/tx/0675404580999467a409ac712d346f2f0be6756cbbcfcc93aeaf9c321528d87b
it was sent from a blockchain wallet. I see you guys are talking about low fees, but there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field. What shall I do with this transaction???
The transaction is now confirmed.
It did not include a transaction fee, which is why it took so long.
The blockchain.info software that you are using has a bug in it. I thought that blockchain.info fixed that bug a long time ago. Are you running the latest version of their software?
In theory he could have used their software from github and host it locally, but I would kind of doubt he was doing this
December 16, 2014, 10:36:39 AM
I also have a unconfirmed transaction that is from 2014-12-14 20:24:54.
https://blockchain.info/tx/0675404580999467a409ac712d346f2f0be6756cbbcfcc93aeaf9c321528d87b
it was sent from a blockchain wallet. I see you guys are talking about low fees, but there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field. What shall I do with this transaction???
https://blockchain.info/tx/0675404580999467a409ac712d346f2f0be6756cbbcfcc93aeaf9c321528d87b
it was sent from a blockchain wallet. I see you guys are talking about low fees, but there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field. What shall I do with this transaction???
The transaction is now confirmed.
It did not include a transaction fee, which is why it took so long.
The blockchain.info software that you are using has a bug in it. I thought that blockchain.info fixed that bug a long time ago. Are you running the latest version of their software?
December 16, 2014, 01:46:03 AM
I also have a unconfirmed transaction that is from 2014-12-14 20:24:54.
https://blockchain.info/tx/0675404580999467a409ac712d346f2f0be6756cbbcfcc93aeaf9c321528d87b
it was sent from a blockchain wallet. I see you guys are talking about low fees, but there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field. What shall I do with this transaction???
https://blockchain.info/tx/0675404580999467a409ac712d346f2f0be6756cbbcfcc93aeaf9c321528d87b
it was sent from a blockchain wallet. I see you guys are talking about low fees, but there isn't a fee input field when you send the BTC.
it's just the address field and the amount field. What shall I do with this transaction???
November 21, 2014, 06:57:51 PM
for example these transactions in unconfirmed chain
https://blockchain.info/tx/dce680bcfb7002dee683261137010015f5a8db78b069afce398fb4c6e68223f9
https://blockchain.info/tx/8203679c6ef23a0daa0128a25e8582e09fd52d5455d4050939c71d3b892d810d
have 1-of-1 multisig inputs.
https://blockchain.info/tx/dce680bcfb7002dee683261137010015f5a8db78b069afce398fb4c6e68223f9
https://blockchain.info/tx/8203679c6ef23a0daa0128a25e8582e09fd52d5455d4050939c71d3b892d810d
have 1-of-1 multisig inputs.
I think there are not 1-of-1 multisig inputs
ScriptSig there is OP_FALSE
But ScriptPubKey of one from some previous transactions is:
OP_HASH160 1552176c514023ac00e2a700166a86c8a1e6ec87 OP_EQUAL
As i understand it tell that output should be spent without signature, only based on hash of pubkey?
So "dishonest man" could not have a private key?
November 21, 2014, 05:50:21 PM
What happens if owner of address 1BRiSksEx7wioajqneij9Q6cvZFRDBUwgW will want to make double spending now?
No one will care. It is your problem, not the problem of other people.
There were such cases in past. No one remembers them.
I do think that the owner of 1BRiSksEx7wioajqneij9Q6cvZFRDBUwgW is dishonest man.
I do think that zero-fee is intentional for purpose of future doublespending.
for example these transactions in unconfirmed chain
https://blockchain.info/tx/dce680bcfb7002dee683261137010015f5a8db78b069afce398fb4c6e68223f9
https://blockchain.info/tx/8203679c6ef23a0daa0128a25e8582e09fd52d5455d4050939c71d3b892d810d
have 1-of-1 multisig inputs.
What is a reason to use 1-of-1? Hiding something?
I agree. Something is fishy here.
OP should be very careful until there is a confirm. OP should let you mall the transaction for him.
November 21, 2014, 05:10:13 PM
What happens if owner of address 1BRiSksEx7wioajqneij9Q6cvZFRDBUwgW will want to make double spending now?
No one will care. It is your problem, not the problem of other people.
There were such cases in past. No one remembers them.
I do think that the owner of 1BRiSksEx7wioajqneij9Q6cvZFRDBUwgW is dishonest man.
I do think that zero-fee is intentional for purpose of future doublespending.
for example these transactions in unconfirmed chain
https://blockchain.info/tx/dce680bcfb7002dee683261137010015f5a8db78b069afce398fb4c6e68223f9
https://blockchain.info/tx/8203679c6ef23a0daa0128a25e8582e09fd52d5455d4050939c71d3b892d810d
have 1-of-1 multisig inputs.
What is a reason to use 1-of-1? Hiding something?
November 21, 2014, 04:34:21 PM
Thanks for description of the Malleability!
I will read later the Bitcoin protocol again about this.
I will read later the Bitcoin protocol again about this.
In fact this is not bitcoin-specific.
It is a feature of ECDSA signature.
Or even a feature of arithmetic. Quadratic equation has two roots.
November 21, 2014, 04:31:14 PM
Thanks for description of the Malleability!
I will read later the Bitcoin protocol again about this.
I will read later the Bitcoin protocol again about this.
November 21, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
Wrong. I can change transaction and it will be valid. I can not change outputs, but I can change txid
Are you sure?
I think after these manipulations the sign for inputs from original transaction from address 18pdeFhs7mtLXMZFkbVkEfaEbp4WeW9qYm will be broken.
He is sure. Check out the link in his message.
November 21, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
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Are you sure?
I can publish a doublespending transaction here. It will be the same: same inputs, same outputs, same fee... but another txidPlease, read the section "Signature Malleability" https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability
November 21, 2014, 04:24:59 PM
Wrong. I can change transaction and it will be valid. I can not change outputs, but I can change txid
Are you sure?
I think after these manipulations the sign for inputs from original transaction from address 18pdeFhs7mtLXMZFkbVkEfaEbp4WeW9qYm will be broken.
November 21, 2014, 04:21:45 PM
I also can try to push malled transaction (this case is not guaranteed). And all followed transactions will be invalid and not mined
What is this (malled transaction)?https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transaction_Malleability
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Peers can take your transaction only if it valid. But problem transaction is not your and you cannot make fake double-spending unless you have private key for address 1BRiSksEx7wioajqneij9Q6cvZFRDBUwgW
Wrong. I can change transaction and it will be valid. I can not change outputs, but I can change txid
November 21, 2014, 04:19:14 PM
It is not a bug. It is a feature of bitcoin protocol.
I know, i didn't talk about this as about bug
November 21, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
I also can try to push malled transaction (this case is not guaranteed). And all followed transactions will be invalid and not mined
What is this (malled transaction)?Peers can take your transaction only if it's valid. But this problem transaction is not your and you cannot make fake double-spending unless you have private key for address 1BRiSksEx7wioajqneij9Q6cvZFRDBUwgW
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