Topic: Responsibilities of hierarchy in the forum (Read 262 times)

Everyone in this forum is acting of their own free will. even though there are people who come because they are invited by other people, but still your self-development does not depend on the person who invites you.

and what you need to know, like you are the first to enter school. You must know the rules and also the existing manners. As well as most forums, I don't think this is the only forum that has rules that new users should at least read. if you can understand it will be better.

here is a Bitcoin and Crypto discussion forum. there are no teachers who are charged with teaching here. beginners make mistakes maybe understandable. like making a post then deleted by the Moderator. the expected impact of deleting the post is a newbie trying to better understand the error. and try to fix it in the next post.

I don't know how you are viewing the way senior rank members are talking to newbies here but as for me they are treating them in normal manner, because I have seen so many replies from senior rank members encouraging newbies to take their time and learn about the rules of the forum first and get proper knowledge before thinking of doing anything in the forum but due to their aiming of coming to the forum to making money by joining signature campaign they are eager of ranking their accounts and started hunting for merits out of understanding things about forum, so they will just decided posting what they don't have knowledge about repeatedly and even when they corrected some of this newbies never give listening eyes. In fact, why will newbies who claim they  know nothing about Bitcoin and the Bitcointalk forum start teaching others about members after 3 days or a week in the forum? I don't think it works that way because I don't think it's possible to gain enough knowledge to do so in just a few days. I now know that if newbies do something wrong and it is corrected, I believe that is a way to learn.


As a newbie who is seriously here to learn, you don't need to rush into doing anything in the few days it may arrive in the forum. The best thing to do is to observe things, and with this, you will get to know many things about the forum. Many newbies don't spend time in the forum to learn, and if they don't spend some hours in the forum, they will hardly get some information at the right time. So I believe many of posts are not always noticed by newbies.

There are two ways to this topic that you want us to discuss.
Firstly, anyone that is invited to a particular organisation or group will have to ask about the dos and don'ts of that group before they will begin to contribute. If you do not know the rules and regulations of a particular group, whatever thing you are contributing though important to you, could be very much irrelevant to the group.

Again, even if someone invited you to a particular group you would not expect that same person to spoon feed you with all the information about the group. It is now left for you to do your own research and gently synchronise.

It is also important that you understand that not everyone that comes to this forum were invited by people. Some stumbled on this forum from internet search and other places or social media. So they don't have any direct person mentoring them. And if I am to say, this place does not actually need too much of mentoring because it is an open system where everybody helps everybody.

Bitcointalk is still a learning platform it never ceases to be one, in fact, you can join without getting an invite or from anyone who will explain to you this so-called modus operandi of certain groups, the forum has a set of rules that we are all agreed to comply it applies to all ranks, if newbies are getting lash out its because there are violations of the forum rules or a newbie failed to read the rules of this forum, members are just implementing and reminding these newbies.


Members just want to protect the forum and its members from being harmed, it's newbies' fault if they failed or ignore the rules of the forum, we are here to contribute and to follow the forum rules laid out by the admins.

A lot of reading will bring beginners at the forum introduction stage to be better and reading can also train memory and broaden one's horizons. There are many newbies who seem to be in a rush to get achievements as a step up in the rankings and can join signature campaigns, they miss some important lessons to be understood about forums and not reading some of the rules there not to make mistakes.

It doesn't matter whether the posts you share are read or not by other users, but if the posts you make can provide knowledge to people who read them or at least can liven up discussions, then there must be a lot of judgment given by other people. Talking about quality in my opinion is relative and everyone will see it from a different point of view, but trying to be your own version will be much better because it will teach us how to write properly and correctly.

OP, the forum is open to anyone, and the best way to learn in any place that you know you are not familiar with is to read, learn, and ask more relevant questions than irrelevant ones. About 10 years ago, I learned that any time I visit a website, I should look out for their search icon because it would be a better way to browse through that site or platform, but the truth is that some newbies even forget some of the principles on how to use the internet or how to browse some sites. Newbies should be responsible for every mistake they make and every form of criticism they receive; they should also know it's a way to learn. It's not everyone on the internet who will calmly talk to you about something. Some will scold you, and some will criticise you, but you must just learn. If someone gives you a reference to the forum and leaves you under the sun, then you should be brave on your own and ready to learn fast instead of putting blame on anyone.

It's even simple to understand how things work around here. One secret I learned as a newbie was to dig into other users profiles and learn how they made contributions and the best boards where they made the most of their posts. it's easy. First, look out for the rules; use the search icon; then learn from others that you think are doing well.

First, this is a forum not a group as you have repeatedly stated in the OP. And I think it’s a lazy mentality and feeling of entitlement to expect anyone (even the person that referred you to the forum) to be a mentor or spoon-feed you until you are no longer a newbie. Anyone who can read and can find B&H board has no excuse, it’s true the forum can be confusing in the beginning but everyone eventually finds their way around the forum.

Hmm, I was reading the Thread and throughout the query of the OP, I've got a perfect answer given by Cantsay. as really it does matter who the newbies take the forum for their future if they are interested in the learning process they should avoid creating new topics they should stand by the reading mode and participate in the regular discussion on the informative topics created by the other experienced users.

Most of the newbies who post irrelevant they just try to rank up faster to make a slot available for them to earn from here, as their motive is money so they don't care about the quality of posting and Learning the new stuff. I'm not sure how many members come here by the invitations but if a person is coming to a forum by seniors invitation rather than bothering the person who invited him, he can self-explore the forum as it's not at all much complex, also this is a side point, in the case where senior just sent an invitation and you don't have much experience.

In a proper manner, I think the person who invited the guy should provide the basic information related to the forum. In my view in 90% of cases that person really provides the basic information to guide him well, Because why a person who doesn't know you or even know you'll provide you a link "Hey dude this link to the forum come and join" this really never happens. There will be always a back story behind the invitation and if there's a story then dear don't say that senior abandon you.

I find it strange that a member asks others to pay attention to his publications and what he publishes, believing that hierarchy is the reason for neglecting his creations. This is the height of naivety, in my opinion, although there is something to explain it.
Looking for interaction with your posts means two possibilities: either you are looking for interest in you that you miss in real life from those around you, or you want everyone to read you to increase your chances of getting merit points and thus upgrading your membership becomes easier. Personally, I favor the second hypothesis.
There is no responsibility for anyone towards anyone in a public forum on the Internet. The forum is mainly intended for exchanging experiences and not necessarily for interaction.

It is not everyone that was introduced to this forum,some people searched the forum through google,so who will teach or guide them. Bitcoin is too broad to be learnt in few weeks and if whoever that introduced you to the forum takes his time to teach you,how will you learn on your own,will the person also teach you on how to compose your post or teach you how to get merits. If anyone says that he wants to teach you all you need to know about bitcoin and the forum,you are getting it wrong because the forum is too big and everyone has their own area of interest here. Same with bitcoin and its blockchain technology very broad especially the technical aspect. The best way for a newbie to learn here is to always read posts and topics on the forum by different members and on different boards. Do your own research and don't put the blame on whoever introduced them to the forum,instead blame their laziness and unconcern to learn.

You sound really perturbed... I don't think that shoulda bothered you really much as it's easy to decide to do your think, as long as it doesn't go against the rules or forfeit the purpose of you being here.
It's is imperative that any orientation made on the registration day engulfs the rules and etiquettes of operation in here; so sometimes, it's not even your fault..
Thirdly, everyone sees your post - but if whatever links you're referring to are perceived as being "malicious" or doesn't have any educative value, then that's a total turnoff.. plus, peeps in here don't really appreciate the idea of clicking on external links.

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Immediately you register to join this community, you are solely responsible for your actions. If you break any of the rules or you post rubbish, you will be held responsible and not the person that invited you. It is good to give the people you invite basic rules about the forum, but it is up to the person to learn more individually. Some persons were not invited by anybody to this forum, which means nobody gave them any formal or informal orientation. The rules are everywhere for you to read and you don't expect anybody to spoon-feed you. That is why before you post make sure that you are sure of the information.

Most of those were created to advise and educate newbies. I don't see it as bashing or insulting. It seems you are taking it personally. They were only told to learn more before they start giving out lectures. How will someone want to teach you how to write quality posts while his post is low standard? Or how will a newbie want to teach how to get merits, while he has little or no merits? You can not teach what you know nothing about. And I see those posts not as insults but as a piece of very good advice to newbies.

I wouldn't be throwing blames on members that invites new persons in the forum both of them has a responsibility to play, and whosoever invited you to the forum has played his one step ahead and it's now left for you to carefully study how the forum works. If an invitee is observant enough they would observe that each section of the forum has a pinned post that explains and describes a lot about that section and what it deal with.

One bad behaviours about we newbies is that most of us are always in a hurry to drop a post instead of reading and learning from already existing threads in the forum. We know the forum is very versatile that not even so many high rankers have gotten a clue of 50% use of the forum so been a higher rank member doesn't mean they know it all. Any newbie that reads a lot from threads in the forum will be well aware of threads that have been made in the forum not to repeat them but when you don't spend time doing so it's easy to making repeated posts that has already been discussed overtime.

Learning must not be forced on someone, it has to come from the willingness to learn, if a newbie or anyone here comes to learn, he will definitely arrived at his goal with time, which means he have to be active online, law abiding and show the attitude required for someone interested in learning, there are boards he could easily get along with including local boards, read and learn, asked questions where necessary and so on, you will first encourage yourself because no one brought you here, you have your own reasons for coming.


Blame yourself ofcourse, there are newbies that pick up within a couple of months being here on the forum and there are some that spent more than one year without having anything to show forth for coming here, nothing has improved about them, if someone brought you here and failed to explain everything to you, obviously he can't even achieve explaining all to you, everything you could ever want about bitcoin and the forum were all written only if he can take time to read and discover where those things are, don't hold someone responsible for your negligence.

To be honest if you had read the beginning of me post correctly you'd see where I made mention of a post I saw I'm actually indirectly replying the post because it was kinda laying all burdens of newbies but actually in quite a number of way higher ranked members still have little responsibilities over these newbies ... It's a post to foster love for one another and to ensure the objective 9f the platform is upheld not to bash anyone actually sir!

I want you to know that high-ranking members are not generally criticising newbies, because if you take a look at the forum, there are some newbies that do have a great impact on some discussions that are going on, while some newbies do create threads that are very useful to the general public and were mostly awarded merits.

But some newbies are eager and desperate to get merit, which does result in them posting plagiarised posts or giving some silly guide that they don't have knowledge about; imagine a newbie guiding the general public on "How to Get Merits," whereas he is yet to get any; all these are what we are referring to, and no ranked member will want to discourage a newbie because we all start from there.

You can imagine this! To think I'm talking for your own interests see the gibberish coming out of your mouth! Just wow! You should understand the context of post before replying or better still just read gain knowledge and keep quiet!

Looking at your reply alone shows your very lack of knowledge in correctly replying! Which could have been learned if you went through the process of keeping quiet to learn! So bad of you! Sorry to say!

Regardless of how the forum was introduced to you, it is entirely the responsibility of the newbie to always check and read the rules and regulations before you start participating. Forum discussion and it is a good thing that most of the boards here in the forum have pinned threads those threads are meant to serve as a guide to how discussions are held on the board and what is acceptable or unacceptable on the board.
And more also when you make yourself at home with those regulations and acceptable way of posting then the newbie won't have any issues here in the forum, so the work all rely on the newbie because the one that introduce may not be able to teach you everything about the forum since he may be limited by so many factors.

I think you are upset or angry because some high ranked member must have bashed you. Means roasted you for making such posts or topic which might be irrelevant or not following the boards rules. My only suggestion is learning is a difficult task and teaching too, many members might be using the roasting tactics to teach you things out but ok i get it you don't like that way.

But let me tell you, even if some of the members have bashed you but most of the member must have dealt your with love they must have given you the answers you are looking for. We are here to help and if one abuses you, then you have the right to report them to moderators even the other part is legendary.

Moderators of this platform are so active. You should not be suppress your interest in something either its in BTT by just some negative comments.

This is a global level platform where people of all mindset and behavior do posting. If one member is bashing you for some mistake than another will be encouraging you and teaching you the ethics of making post, correcting your mistakes, etc. So, now it depends on you to chose sides. If you chose to make excuses to leave the platform just because the person referred you here is not spoonfeeding you.

Instead, you should learn from those members who try to teach you and you should learn the skill of ignoring those who start to bash you. I have seen many members here who just bash other just because they don't have to write lengthy or useful post because to write that they need useful information which many lacks. SO they just start roasting you.

And one more thing, If you think that the roasting will be stopped once you become one of the rank members than it's wrong, because i am senior now but still have to bear some words against my mistakes and i have to admit them because mistake is a mistake and i am also in the learning phase so i can not argue someone, trying to emphasizing things for me.