Topic: Rest in peace... (Read 3806 times)

Yes. The winner gets the chance to rewrite the history books. So we have Serbs the "eternal aggressors" exterminating (sic) the poor, innocent secular Albanians.

Also, we have a group of eternal victims, 6 million of whom perished in WW2.

The list can go on and on...

It's thanks to the CIA (and NSA intercepts) that Mandela was arrested and imprisoned for 27 years, goes to show that nothing really changes with our corrupt intelligence agencies, still up to their dirty tricks 

The last few shows on Democracy Now! have covered this story in depth:

Polaroid & Apartheid: Inside the Beginnings of the Boycott, Divestment Movement Against South Africa
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/12/13/polaroid_apartheid_inside_the_beginnings_of

"One of Our Greatest Coups": The CIA & the Capture of Nelson Mandela
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/12/13/one_of_our_greatest_coups_the

Did anyone hear about that fake Sign Language interpreter at the Mandela memorial? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEFnh18zRk

Pretty funny. Epic troll.

The French Resistance were heroes , the people in Afghanistan are terrorists.
It doesn't matter what do you do in a war , the winner always picks the heroes

All this is, fundamentally, is people looking for some good, in an inherently bad situation, so that they can justify said situation.

Unable to really find much they start pointing out worse situations and then using the excuse that "well, they weren't anywhere near as bad as x".   Which is really just a form of Stockholm Syndrome.

And that's assuming you are a good person.  If you're not a good person, you of course won't have any problem defending bad people.

Why would big government be any more of a solution to problems in South Africa than it is anywhere else?   

In fact, if you think Mandela is a good person and if you think it's just a matter of getting someone good to be your leader, then South Africa should be one of the best countries in the world to live in.  Since it isn't, either one or both of those premises are incorrect. 

Not only the invasions. You should also count the "war by proxy" methodology followed by the Americans. A classic example is the Afghanistan involvement in the 1980s. USA gave Taliban fighters Stinger missiles, so that they'll fight the Soviets. Now many of those Stinger missiles are in the possession of the Iranian military, after Taliban sold them for money.

At that time, the Taliban were freedom fighters for the Americans, and terrorists for the Russians.

Same case here. The ANC were regarded as "freedom fighters" by some, and as "terrorists" by someone else.

Mandela is not a saint. Neither is he particularly intelligent nor balanced. He spent the last 20 years of his life watching his 'dream' being exposed as a fantastic, self-congratulatory lie which saw SA descend into the kind of chaos and criminality that was unheard of even under the unofficial estimates in the Apartheid regime. He was a racially biased racist scum who masqueraded and probably even fooled himself about being the great 'peacemaker'.

He is the perfect example of the folly that is today's 'revolutionaries' and 'freedom fighters'. They are anything but, only mere shadows of the true fighters and soldiers who died for their cause during and upto WW2.

Wannabes. Imitators. Just like Che Guevara. Their 'appeal' is not based on solid and determined understanding of the world, only personal pipe dreams and impulses dressed up as a just cause which appeals to impulsive nature of frustrated masses whose misery is as much of their own making as their oppressors. When their own lack of abilities bring even greater misery, they either slink away with their tails tucked in, or bitch and moan about how it's 'other' people's fault that world does not cater to their personal tastes.

As a minority living in US, I am highly amused at the idea that this fool somehow tried to spin SA apartheid regime as the next nazi germany. I have seen the faces of people who lived under fascism and outright cultural genocide. They always have a good laugh listening to world news about these so called 'saints' and 'freedom fighters' who gullible media idolizes.

Because I was talking about terrorists you need to be worried about. China isn't trying to be The World Police.

Why don't you list all the wars and invasions and coos and puppet governments America has been involved in? Guarantee it dwarfs Chinas list.

I'll add a post from another thread here:


Why 50 years?
Lets see how many wars China has started in the last 2000.
How many wars has Turkey started in the last 50 years? But in the last 500? They've trashed my country like 100 times the last millennium.

Well , Germany hasn't started anything in the last 50 years. They must be the most peaceful people on earth !

Hmm... that is quite easy. Let's start with Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom. Invictus is also pretty good, but not unbiased. Cry Freedom is another decent movie.

That's true.

Can anyone recommend any decent films/docs on him as well?

Republican logic
Obama wants to give people healthcare = Dictator = Lets get our Guns and have a revolution

Yet Mandela was the biggest terrorist ever for taking action against a factually oppressive government that actively oppressed the majority of people. Then was imprisoned and actually switched to a non violent philosophy avoiding major bloodshed after the oppressive government was taken down.

Hmm.

It's called plausible deniability.  You let others do the dirty work from which you benefit and then when confronted about it, you claim no knowledge.

The fact is that he and his goons just wanted the power for themselves.   Apartheid is a great injustice no doubt, but you don't solve it by giving the unjust privileges that the white people had and handing them over to black people.

That is the lesson that should be learnt from this whole sorry story.  

A majority does not rule any better than a minority.  Americans should be familiar enough with this fact.

I meant that they are not be available from mainstream book stores. Well... one man's hero is another's terrorist. 

Well his autobiography isn't going to be impartial , but I guess it'll be a good place to start and to see what he has to say about his side of the story.

And why are the books banned? Were they written by slanderous racist twats or something?

I'd recommend his autobiography. Can be purchased from the Amazon for $11.35.

Most of the books which portray him as a terrorist are banned in online stores like Amazon, and might be available only from the black-markets.

Does anyone know of any good books on Mandela? I'd like to read an impartial one if possible, but also ones who considered him a terrorist and those that considered him a hero - or perhaps even both.

May He rest in peace...

It wasn't my intention to list every act of terrorism that has ever been carried out by a country's government. What wars have China started in the last 50 years?