Topic: retiring an account in the age of AI (Read 1170 times)

I guessed you don`t consider revolution of Ai highly, the more data you can feed to that Ai with other instruction this is an easy feat for more upcoming Ai & their update, I hope you have heard of GPT 4o or seen those deep fake scams and others scams where Ai is the main tool use for.

Actually the option vapourminer is considering are those where by once the account is retired he can never get the account back even if he choose to return to the forum that means he has to create a new account to join next time.

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@vapourminer I think even if you retire your account and can`t be given any access to the account when you choose to return to the forum again, which will make you have no choice than to create a new account, can also be used by the same Ai, creating an account and maybe having the similar name like vapourminer2, many may believe if the account as the same posting pattern as you except there`s signed a message this might be hard to detect.

I believed lot of people has their format and formation of writing maybe to the regularities they do operate their account and if such person doesn't operates in those sequence then it's total out of original owner, maybe better still when leaving the forum for any reason such person could come make a kind of retiring statement or maybe if coming back in the future then theymos has to lock the account from his ends and when you wished to use the account you can hit him up to give you access back to avoid any further scam or hack from hackers.

The reason of this thread demonstrates that this platform needs to advance from the administrative board by which whoever that wants to retire his account permanently in the forum would raise an emotion and then the forum and administrators like Theymos would interfere in interacting with the respective users on the decision and then the forum developers or engineers may have the administrative approvement to permanently delete the account.
Sometimes, users may want to take some break in the forum which may be required the user to apply for temporary delete of account.
I think this would be better instead of red tagging the account as it may looks aggressive and abused of being a DT member or even unwarranted tags because tagging accounts signifies penalties which such doesn't deserve it.
But if we must have think the other way round, having such members account being disappeared from the forum means the forum will also lost all that post if the user which maybe of help to other members probably in future terms.
So I'd suggest non of legal exiting members as permanently disappearance of accounts should be adopted instead let the account be but the admin should permanently disable any means of the user having access to post or write any such as PM in the forum entirely.
Let the historical posts of such users serve as their legacies and references sake

Yes, something like that is very possible with the current LLM models. If I'm not wrong then a few months ago someone did something like that with Satoshi's posts and created an AI trained model that could somehow mimic the writing style of Satoshi to some extent.

Though, something like that isn't very possible to be perfect on Satoshi's account as Satoshi's posts are limited in number but something like that is possible on someone's account with thousands of posts/threads.

AI is really a big threat especially in way that you considered it and if somehow a hacker hacks someone's account and somehow had trained an AI model on the posts of that user the there's a chance that no one may notice any posting quality difference since AI was trained on actual poster's posts and it could reproduce that posting style to very high extent that no one would be able to see any difference.

AI is a no option for me, because there are alot of criterias and principle that an AI will not follow while creating a comment so leaving a valuable account such as yours in the hands of an AI make it of no less difference as handing over the account to a nob who have no basic knowledge of what is going on and just mimicking others just to fill in comment's.

Also asking DTs to tag the account is not a good option because red tag is red tag it has only one perception which is that the users can not be trusted,  and for a high respected and valuable member like you that have contributed to the forum for a long time ending that way won't be beneficial for future users who may use your work as reference.

Best option in my own opinion is to make a goodbye thread and then sign a message on the account address which should be verified anytime the account come active again in the future, that way you protect both the account and you reputation.

You might be, but we've never bumped into each other (though said land be vast in acreage and population).  But jokes aside, if an old member abandoned his account without changing the password to something impossible to hack or if the forum itself got hacked, the scenario you described not only could happen but most likely would.  That's going to be true as long as members can earn more in signature campaigns with a higher rank--and of course, if the member was green-trusted or otherwise had a positive reputation, anyone taking control of the account could easily use AI to take out a loan or carry out some related scam.

With the way bitcointalk is structured, i.e, having so many people posting just to get paid, the evolution of AI is just scary as hell.  How the hell would anyone know if it was being used to make posts if the inputs were good enough?  Scary and frankly....depressing.


LoyceV is not a bot, and you needn't make such a bloviated disputation about it.  The accusations were always made in jest as far as I know.  Merit-baiting has a very peculiar odor and is easy to detect.

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What does any of that mean?  It's obviously English but I can't make heads or tails of what you're trying to say.


Um, think of what the red trust comment might say.  It's not going to be "This user scammed me" or anything of the sort.  They'd be messages that state that the member retired the account, and they'd have to be in red so they'd be visible by most members.

I read this 2 minutes after you posted this, but figured I'd respond only now to make me look more human.

Go wash your mouth keyboard with soap! There is no "AI", it's a hype. You know how I know? "AI" companies are hiring instead of firing, and their CEO is human. Nobody with a decent AI would sell it, they'd get very rich from keeping it for themselves while it performs millions of online remote jobs at the same time. If they sell it, it's not an AI. Just a language model.

Believe what you want!


You mean a cyborg?

I have had couple of arguments about you from some of my forum friends when they told me you are an AI. but I never believe because whenever I read your post or conversation, I sense more of human than Ai. AI has limitations to what they said and interact, but your case is different. you are emotional and give a direct feed back to question as human not like Ai that generates alot of online program Grammer. Though you are faster than others in certain way that makes people feel that you are a robot, I think you are fast but uses an AI assistant device that helps to facilitate your activities making you a half human half Ai. but according to one of you post I read, you said that most of the things you do in the forum are kept in your PC and whenever you need it, you bring it fast and people thinks you are an AI. Though I may not have enough evidence in what I am saying, but if others don't believe you are a human I do because whenever I chat with a human I know the communication of how human to human works. Ai is Ai and can never work as a human.

So In summary the best word I can use to describe you is half human haft AI.

Yes thats true, there is no where you can apply for account deletion rather you can delete your own Post just like @synmetric did in the link provided above, but that's not a good one. We can only be remembered by what we have done even when we no longer exists. But deleting useful post is surely a selfish decision that is not good, atleast we should learn from some past heros of the forum. except of course that such person is a shit poster that his contribution doesn't really matter, that will not be seen as anything if his Post where deleted.

deletion isnt what i want. and im not a fan of revisionist history. for better or worse my posts are my posts.. read at your own risk lol

That's not something you can apply for on Bitcointalk. If you're a shitposter or just really really really pissed off you can delete your own posts, but I prefer to be part of Bitcointalk's legacy. How cool would it be if my posts are still online in the far future?

In as much as there are AI that could mimic ones account there are other AI that can detect suspicious activity or mimicking of account. That is if something like that happens.

However, i think the most reliable approach is to apply for complete deletion of account. There will be no account activity and if you search for the user it wont be found.

Ohh gawd  never expected a 1979 novel phrase

Haha, I guess that one's not as obvious as I thought.

It's a reference from Douglas Adams' The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. It's what the dolphins said in their goodbye message before leaving Earth, and it's now sometimes used as a humorous farewell.

Inform of...??

I really don't think so.

If you are a real owner of one account, you always can come back, do even complicated recovery steps than others, to reclaim your account.

Like satoshi's account, is locked due to security reason, theymos said Satoshi Nakamoto can come back and contact theymos via PGP key and a complicated procedure is available for you and @vapourminer too.

You can decide to recovery your account after abandon it for many years or can start with a new one. You decide but the forum does not prohibit you like if you abandon an account, go proactively asking for locking it, you will never be able to get it back.

Then count me as a tinfoiler, because I think you're thinking clearly.

Yeah, it would be nice if there was an obvious way to "retire" an account. I mean, I know people can do the secret-question-footgun thing, but that one is very non-obvious, and it's semantically inappropriate (it internally marks your account as "possibly compromised").

A cool way to approach this might be to imagine a more generalized feature that would be useful in its own right but that would solve the problem you raised, too. Maybe something like a "Taking a break" feature that lets you specify a date before which your account will remain locked and be prevented from authenticating. It would also be nice if people could see the status/unlock-date from your profile page (and maybe a link to an optionally-left message, too).

To support the permanent-retirement use-case, instead of relying on people to set an impossibly far-off date, I think it would be best if there was some kind of specific thanks-for-all-the-fish mode/checkbox that signifies that we've forever lost another Bitcoin homie.

If you check around in the forum, there's a great anxiety and fear of the unknown about AI. Many people are seeing the possibility of AI comfortably discussing here in the nearest future while a fear doesn't think it will happen. But my fear is in theymos not making any bold rule yet about AI in the forum. I wouldn't be surprised if Vapourminer is afraid of uncertain about AI.

See what merit rascal is saying...

Please stay for long...
VM, you can disappear and after a long time appear again like VoD. This will be nicer than locking your account totally.

Are you thinking of an alt...but in an anonymous way to still view the forum wheen you want .
Not bad though! just place your account on perm. ban since you won't be using it again...but I really wish if there could be a retired position for accounts like yours,that will make a lot of sense tbh

I really cannot see the issue here.
When I leave the forum, I will lock the account and ask they is to perma ban him.
No AI will be ever able to post in my name, and in the case I want to return, I will be forced to use a new one.
Even if I am able to train an IA to post on my behalf, rest assured it is not going to happen.
Yours truly merit rascal will stay bones and flesh for a (long?) time.

lol even after retiring this account i would still lurk here.

however i do not want to leave this account vulnerable to takeover or impersonation. retired means retired.

..or maybe just a tinfoil hat OCD thing.

If you really want a one-way function to not return to your account, is it genuinely because of the fear of AI? Or do you just want some way to resist spending more time on this forum on your current account?

I know in the past for myself when I have had unhealthy relationships with online forums, where I spend every single day on it, I've asked moderators to lock my account or set it as "retired".

But if your post is genuinely about the fear of AI being able to regurgitate content in this forum - I think the issue is actually with the forum. The issue wouldn't be the AI itself, it's that regurgitated content isn't picked out by others on the forum, and can seamlessly fit in with the other users. An indication that the quality of content produced in the forum generally is in a decline, which isn't good.

I don’t need to read through your post again and again to dictate if that’s not you posting and it’s an AI trying to imitate your style of posting. Your style of posting is unique and there’s no AI that can be as perfect as you, so I don’t think an AI tool can impersonate your account even when there’s an access to it without finding out an AI is being used to impersonate you.

A neutral tag on your profile showing that you’re retiring from the forum or a thread created on that regard will suffix all, but even if you don’t, a change in the style of post in the case of AI impersonation is enough to know this is not the real poster of the account. This thread you’ve created will serve as a reference even in the future in the case of such occurrence.

Says an AI

OP & for anyone worried about todays “AI” .. https://cdss.berkeley.edu/news/jaron-lanier-wants-you-stop-saying-ai

Then I guessed your account can be banned just like satoshi's
Or possibly I don't know how possible it will be if you might also just enable the 2FA then instead of saving it, just totally delete then even if someone can recover your account, they won't ever be able to get the 2fa code, since it won't be existing

thats the point though. i want a one way function. if/when i come back i would create a new account.

I just hope this post is just about testing the power of AI and not that you're contemplating on leaving the forum, I'm tired of seeing good people leaving the forum due to personal decisions or life threatening challenges like 0_e_l_e_o  and the rest of them. I wouldn't contribute on how to lock your account because I'm not yet ready to see you go, so the account should remain active and functional to the benefit of forum members.

AI interference has lots of loop holes, if you pay clear attention you would trace it immediately. it operates with some kind of pattern as the learning model stipulates and don't yet have the ability to go out of the box on its own unless prompted, or a new learning model is introduced. So you literally see it doing its tasks with some sort of repetitive feeling and a super-human presentation.

Impersonating is a big thing here though especially for a figure like vapourminer here, Ai are already tending to this areas, I believe with time it will be known that's why they are calling for regulations of Ai especially from how scammers has been using deepfakes and also don't forget they generate ID for kyc through these model.

This is still like the best option with alternative of options like Lauda  and o_e_l_e_o, which I think was similar style Vod absence was till he came back

I couldn't care less about it at all. I never seen the same model too, and i don't think someone will create such AI as for the what purpose aside from impersonation.

Besides that theymos can lock/disable a profile just like what he did to satoshi's account.

AI tries to make nice posts to make itself known as wise despite having little knowledge. Usually when AI is asked a question it gives pretty accurate answers, but it's not as practical and meaningful as humans. Many people post AI-written schemes without awakening their mental consciousness. But here it is very easy to detect by experienced people. Because AI can never express emotions like humans, AI is not as creative as humans. Expecting creativity from AI is like holding the moon in your hand.

That's something I also don't understand. From my experience through the AI report thread, I've seen many different cases that make me wonder why they're putting so much effort into writing with AI rather than writing the post themselves. As I've said earlier, I've seen posts deliberately messed up or with a little added context in an attempt to make them undetected.

From my understanding, it's by users with limited English knowledge who don't have much to contribute in terms of context, and in an effort to appear knowledgeable and capable of contributing to the discussion, use AI, believing they can hide under the radar.

The thinking power of writing with AI is different from the thinking power of humans. It can answer a certain number of questions. Attitudes written by the human mind will not match those written by AI. No matter how hard you try to steal it, enough good people on the forum will grab it and throw it away, and you'll be done with it. No accounts can be forwarded by managing this ID. It would be better for you to use your intelligence and move on rather than write this AI.

Why not - some user may even accidentally lock their account. There are several ways you can try - one is guessing the secret question, secondly you can lock your account via email when you change your account password or change your account email. There's an account lock option there - but you don't need to try it if you don't want to deal with the recovery team.

Read @achow101's announcement about the secret question: PSA: ACCOUNTS WILL BE LOCKED IF THE SECRET QUESTION IS USED TO RECOVER IT

Though an AI may be trained so well, but it can never have 100% intellectual thought and emotions of someone. it can only be a replica of such person when it is fed with such Information about the person.
I have actually read other people's comment on this thread and I agreed that you should report your account to theymos since he can ban your account or better still, you can make an open topic declaring that you will be absent from the forum from now henceforth and any comment that is made on your account should not be considered yours and therefore should be taged.

To be honest, I don't think it's possible with current technology. As you may have noticed on the AI report thread, a handful of users are being detected each week. Some of them attempt to hide by writing generic sentences such as "In my opinion, or I believe" here and there to make it look more humanly looking; I even saw a user purposely messing up their AI-written text to avoid AI detection. Sooner or later, they'll be caught. However, I've seen some websites advertising services that turn AI text undetectable, but I've never tested it myself.

I believe a case of an abandoned account has been reported before in the report thread, if I remember correctly, and it's certainly a threat because someone is way less likely to suspect a senior or hero with perfect text than a newbie.

Nobody is going to waste time doing this in bitcointalk forum.
AI can never replace human members and trick everyone into reactivating retired account, remember there is always another human developer behind every AI.
Simple conversation can be enough to recognize that something is not looking normal with reactivated members even with sold and/or hacked accounts, let alone with stupid AI.

Sure it would
Preferably if it could in a way we have the Newbies ~ Legendary tag or it can just be directly below it(the rank Badges or Tag) ....or a Bold "Retired" signature I think this should be more appropriate on a retired account and this should be information of a permanent stamp ,
No edit!!!

im too lazy to do any of that.

but it does look like just asking theymos/staff to permanently lock it and announcing it somewhere is the best bet. post a signed btc addy and pgp key in a message and have some folks quote them.

a "retired" forum tag would rock though, ngl

It's not useless, if negative feedback can be removed easily, many cheaters and abusers will not be scared. When someone give negative feedback to someone who're passed away or left the forum, I'm sure they will not remove their tags.

If you're looking like that then asking people to paint your account is the best solution.

But, if there are no one willing to paint your account, then you need to force them to do it, either you start to promote ponzi scheme, cheating, abusing trust feedback etc. I'm sure people will paint your account.

With reference to your first point above, it will even be difficult to catch some users using AIs that way. And since there are no specific forum tools to catch them, many will not be punished and more will even go advanced next time so that they are not caught like the ones that are getting away with it.

Again, I like people who have been clamouring for contexts like this, I think the forum should also well-define AI use and declare war against it in full in its own way. The permanent banning of the guilty ones will be good, and if the accounts are severally tagged as well, it will still serve the same purpose. This is because the reason why most of them are too lazy to post but using AI is that they have many accounts they want to build for campaigns. Tagging these accounts would have made them useless for that purpose and they would be forced to abandon them.

Notwithstanding, how to detect these accounts is still a headache now.

Tags remains the Iconic bye to have been used by mainly and one of the most significant I can very much recall was that of Lauda which, didn’t leave any room for recovery as, the user was all about getting out and never looking back from the statements made while saying the last byes.

AI might have got a wide variety of usage to it but at the point of having to mimic a user on the forum, I can’t be sure about that. I don’t think it possible even. Given that, just logging in, you’ve got the captcha test to complete and this takes a lot into consideration as per your most resent activities coupled with having to pass the test itself. Let’s say you find a way to pass that, AI would definitely leave a thread that could be followed in posting patterns. Mistakes are bond to be made following posting habits, quotes and having to understand what is been posted by others.

Mimicking just wouldn’t work.

Great to know that you are not planning on leaving the forum, and at least not now. Is there any particular reason why you would consider locking your account permanently, to start off with a new account? I think if you ever feel the need to go down the route of locking your established account on the forum, it should be because you want to leave for good.

I knew that wasn't the case..^{[even before I came across this information]}.. Vapourminer ain't just leaving for some unforseen reasons after 13 whole years of active genuine service. 13 fuckin' yearssss!!...he ain't even in no sig. campaign....Dayumm dude!!!
That's not true. You'd have to put up request to Theymos should you ever want to, but what's the point of locking an already built and famous account just to return in a newbie account? ^{oh please,Don't do it}

Can a member lock his account by himself? I don't think members have such an option to lock accounts. I assume they can contact the moderator to lock their account after justifying such a request. Maybe Ratimov made such a request and it was granted. I agree that AI cannot totally act the same way as an individual. They might try to mimic the person's voice or writings but people who know such an individual will one day suspect a behavior change. I have seen several cases where members suspect that an account has changed hands even when the impersonator is doing everything possible to act original. Nature made everyone special and I doubt if technology can totally change it.

I remember ratimov deleted many of his posts along with other users' posts in self-moderated threads before he locked his account in a simple way. You can basically do the same steps ^{[lock the account and leave it]} without worrying too much, in fact I firmly believe that things that are natural and unique to the user can never be cloned by bots or AI. There are things that AI cannot imitate from you and all the users here - your language style, your writing style, your character are some of the things it cannot do.

This will be possible if we are allowed to give negative tag with the tone of a positive feedback. For instance;
vapourminer was a big asset to the forum. He is leaving, I had to drop this feedback to prevent AI from impersonating him in the future (his greatest fear).

LOL, but this is not allowed. We keep positive feedback positive, negative feedback should be negative and as well as neutral.

there can't be a hundred effectively of the use of AI on your account for impersonation, it can be easily detected if checked, just from the way we can easily get to know a post that is AI generated, but nevertheless, if your account is not compromised and no one have access to it, they can't make a pirate copy of it as exactly as you can appear, the more an attempt is made the more it may be reported for plagiarism or being tagged on the forum.

AI technology is improving day by day. It is very difficult to tell which is real and which is created by AI. But it is very difficult to imitate human thinking by AI. I don't think recognizing AI generated text would be too difficult for a skilled technician but could be difficult for a layperson.

Tarnishing a hard-earned trusted account with a red tag just out of fear of AI bots will be negative for newbies. They might see a red tag on your account and think it's a scam account. Without taking such action, you may close your account by declaring retirement from your account prior to retirement.

This is the post I was referring to. It took me time to search out since I’m currently on mobile, but I finally got it since I was able to recall the name of the user who made the comment. I just happened to search through his post history.

Hypothetically, even if AI took over someone's BTT account, it can never completely take over someone's online identity if it does not have access to a signed BTC address, which most senior members have. This should remove any doubt as to the true identity of the owner.

However, as things stand, it is claimed that in a period of 5-10 years, AI will advance so much that it will no longer be possible to distinguish between content created by humans and AI. I assume that in that time many of us will leave the forum, in one way or another.

The best option would be asking theymos directly give him a custom title. Since vapourminer has been with this forum from the very beginning and everyone knows him and holds a good reputation, I'm sure theymos would hear his request to give him a custom title. Having a red tag on a completely innocent account doesn't look so fair. New users would think that as scam at a first glance!
 

I think red tagging an account is absurd and he knows that but I feel he chose that option to pass across how seriously he is against an AI taking control of his account. It's like if he doesn't put such measures, it would seem as if his account is participating in deceiving others.
 

Other users have suggested cool options, op and if you are to ask me, either you lock the account or better ask an staff to disable it, if that can be done.

Are you really retiring from this forum or are you just emphasizing the impact of AI and how it changes the way people should resign? I don't know how it would be possible for a person to take over your account unless the admin gives it to someone else. I do have the idea that there are AI bots that can read all of your posts and mimic yourself but till now I find not a single bot. Maybe one with good AL or ML skills could pull this up but I don't think that's going to happen with your account.

I think you just don't want to leave or someone has access to your account already and trying to ask people to give you a negative. Which is useless as it can be removed. So, what's the catch in here. I really don't understand, why would you want a negative while when new members not knowing you will join the forum see your account they will think you did something bad which obviously can be prevented by giving some suitable comment while giving trust. I think neutral would be enough.

I think the whole idea is to just show the community members that this account holder has retired or want to go on retirement, rather than wanting to use the negative tag procedure to neutralize the account so as to show that any post generated from this account is fake, why not just go on a public declaration and make an announcement and say that going forward from today, you are going on permanent retirement from the the forum and that you will be stopping the forum activities forthwith. at least that will permanently register on people's mind that this account holder is no longer on active service and has gone on retirement.

So that whosoever that might later come in the future to start posting or writing threads and mimicking your pattern of write up, will be reminded about the stance of the account, and whosoever the person is that is using the account to post is an imposter.

If the options you mentioned are not going to be considered then what about directly asking admin to give accounts a retirement tag in their profile next to their member rank? The caveat being if someone asks for a retirement of their account then it is a one way request that cannot be undone. That way nobody including the owner/operator of the account (or any future AI hack attempt) will be able to access it.

A decent AI doesn't need special training, you'll just set it loose and tell it to make you money. If it's a good AI, it'll keep the money for itself.
AI is a hype, it's added to anything now, from browsers to phones. The fact that people sell the idea of an AI to make money instead of having the AI make money directly tells me all I need to know about that "AI". Let's say I don't fear the AI that's being sold (although the spam is annoying), but I'm pretty sure we should fear the (future) AI that's being kept private.

I agree with the no red paint options... hypothetically speaking, its gonna be a while before people start training models for the sake of imitating Bitcointalk accounts, and there's ways to protect your account from that possibility, as others have mentioned.

It was a shame what happened to Bruno's account. In that case I think it got sold to a person that pretended to be him, but they did a poor job & didn't take any money. Still its sad that his legacy ended like that, with a -14 trust rating.

Satoshi account was hacked and theymos locked it, after that Satoshi account was no longer compromised. If he wants to come back, he must use his PGP key to sign a message and get approval from theymos.

We might not meet Satoshi Nakamoto again in this forum as an active account but we can always learn Satoshi's lesson.

Will "satoshi" ever login again?

thanks for the comments.

i will say im not planning on leaving and have not had any email/accounts compromised. its just i hate loose ends. so i would want a "lock it and leave it" mode; basically start a new account after if needed.

for some reason i thought it was hard to permanently lock an account here.



that sounds interesting if you find it please post a link.

According to the recent discussion I was having with a friend, he said that the output of AI is based on preexisting data, and if the results of AI are properly checked, you will always find a thin gap between the original data and that of the AI. In this case, I don't agree that your account should be tagged, if you decide to retire, there are still ways to keep your account free from AI.

I looked at the account of Satoshi which was last active on December 12, 2010, and has not made any posts since then and no tags.

You don't need your account to be tagged, you can just create your last thread and tell the community that you have decided to retire; then your account can be placed on archive by admin, and no AI can act in your absence.

Create a thread as a disclaimer for your retirement.
In that topic, you can state that, anytime your account comes online, members of the forum should request a signed message with your old Bitcoin wallet and the the current date of that day should be included in the signed message.

This should be a fairly effective way to notify members here that your account is retired. As several people did, just like Lauda did before and it really worked until now the account is safe.

Lauda Profile

By making or creating a post of goodbye BitcoinTalk forum:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5282911

Make a statement on the related reputation about "PGP-key compromised and revoked."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55407295

And even it's needed, Neutral flag given.
Or asking for account banned.

Maybe that could be an example of terminating an account on this forum and making it safe in the future from various hackers or AI or something like that.
But exactly, if this is needed to do it. Because now, there is 2fa protection available to be used. But, if this really needed, someone can do it to prevent more.

I hope you don't have any serious illness or something and if you wish to leave the forum, it's for something better and you will venture into something more important for you and your loved ones.

That being said, just like everyone else suggested, it would be much better to create a thread when you decide to leave permanently and ask theymos to lock the account or give it a custom title or something so that even if what you fear happens, those dealing with the account understand that they are not dealing with the original owner of the account, and instead of red tags, there should be neutral tags indicating that the original owner has left the forum permanently and if someone has access to the account, it's either a hacker or an impersonator.

However, I wouldn't want you or any reputable members to leave the forum. It just doesn't feel right, makes me kinda sad as well.

I think the idea of red tag will leave your account in a ridiculous  state, the way people see red tag is just red zone
Maybe there could be an additional signature area which will be permanent once edited  I.e can only be done once by the user ( there could be a certain time limit  to unlock by a user + once done account becomes inactive forever so it will be a use strict feature...
Just saying this could be done to pose a sig.tag on such account by user so this will show on every post that has been made by such user (E.g (Retired))

AI usage is increasing day after day, and they are also advancing it in such a way that it's not even possible to detect which write-up is written by AI and which is written by humans with their new humanised AI writing tool.
 
But that's not enough reason for an account that stands as a role model to others, an account that is respected by others, and information they get from it to be painted red. Just imagine what that will look like. It's not just the profile we are talking about here; it's about legacy too. As one of the oldest active members here in the forum, that won't look good at all from my personal point of view.
 
A neutral and personal thread announcing one's retirement is the best thing to do for others to take note of in case a hacker tries to impersonate the account.

If I was in your position I won't be red tagging my account as a part to retirement, it's not worth it after saving a reputation for years then have to permit a dent on it at the end. How do we get to explain that to the understanding of new members afterwards.

You should take the recommendations giving above by other members, because red tag always have a stigma in the forum irrespective of the reason it's given whether good or bad, by permission or omission.

Locking the account will be the best option for me. The forum is not just for interaction but it is like an archive or historical information bank. People will keep visiting this forum for many years to learn and also identify reputable members. Some people will not be patient enough to read the reason for these red tags. Immediately they see these red tags they just assume that they were scammers or contributed negatively to the forum. Although I would like to see only green colors in the account of some reputable members a neutral tag might be manageable for security reasons.

I don't support red tagging a particular person who already has a reputation on this forum if he wants to leave this forum. This can be negative for his followers. If a person does not want to be on the Bitcoin forum, he can inform the main administrator to close his account. As Lauda and o_e_l_e_o did. As a result no one will have access to post with AI or impersonate him.

Is know that is worry about the AI is is only try to care about those that use to the AI impersonation, instead to make a post according to their own understanding. Because @vapourminer seeing what is happening about the AI how is cause much problems for some of the users in this forum, and which is why him choose to created a thread about the AI impersonation.
Some only be had about tags but not all people's know the actual meaning of those tags, that's why even thought some has been given a neutral tags instead of them to behavior well and been reason how this neutral tags can be removed, but they will not till when they add another for them like red tag which can even lead their account to get banned they will begin to panic.

Fuck all the AI, and KI and whatever else these services are called!
To be honest i never used any of them.

I would also not like and love to see an Account like yours getting painted red when you leaving the Forum.
As already mentioned , just write to theymos and let your Account be locked and banned.
That would be the best solution when the time for it has come.

I want to understand your post very well;
1. Do you in any way intend leaving the forum? If yes, this is sad. Many old and valuable members are leaving this space and there are no much resourceful new ones to replace them. You are a good merit source that spread merits in 2 even to less recognised forum members in as much as their posts are quality.
2. If someone so reputable leave the forum, members will add neutral tags. It will be a hell for present AI to mimic accurately, but tomorrow there'll be much advancement in artificial intelligence, no one can predict.

I don't like a red tag or bunch of red tags in this case.

A neutral tag is enough, because it is not scam. If people are careless and don't care about neutral tag and get scammed by new owners, it's their responsibility, not the actual owner.

If the actual owner is serious to leave the forum, care about the account, he can send a request to theymos or Cyrus, two head admins, to terminate (lock) that account, like Lauda or o_e_l_e_o did. Then nobody can access it to post with AI or whatsoever to mimick the real owner.

Lauda's goodbye, world!
o_e_l_e_o's farewell

I am not sure it is possible to eradicate them completely, still, there are at least a hundred of them are using AI to generate posts and spin the words to use AI to human text tools to make it more humane and also short posts are herd to differentiate so with these things are going to get better than the chances of identifying them also might be thinner.

Why saying this is I noticed a lot of posts that I am sure were created with the help of AI but I tested multiple tools to find whether it's created using ChatGPT, GPT4 or other similar tools but all of them says created by a human.

Don't worry, @nutildah has the idea to lock up all those who post with Robot/Al, they will be destroyed here: Topic: AI Spam Report Reference Thread., Real and fake owners are caught very quickly, whatever they do if they are not genuine users, errors will occur and it is easy to find out, your account is safe, even if it has not been operating for a long time here.

The real owner can sign messages, fakes can't do that with verified addresses, Al has weaknesses, so don't worry about your account being compromised, Moreover, only certain accounts use Al, not all of them, let alone your account, just look at them and they have withdrawn, especially if they want to hack.

@Upgrade00, has shown the best way that several members here have ever done.

I wouldn't like this either if I ever leave Bitcointalk. Lauda has several tags too, it doesn't make her "legacy" look any better.

I still even think we can differentiate AI from humans, despite the upgrade or expensive integrated algorithms.
AI detector apps will also become upgraded as we know and would be efficient enough to try to detect at least 80% of AI text and inputs in this forum.

On the issue about the retiring of any account, I think what's done and dusted is actually done and dusted, but no amount of red tags could do such unless it's outrightly banned and I suppose unless the managers who have access, can profer a second best opinion, then it's  retrievable, but note that there's still going to be restrictions on how AI can perform and function during logins, and if applied to sites like this forum and for personal uses.
 

It's not a good sight to have a reputable member leave the forum with bunch of red tags on their account, even if the comment suggests it's only as a precautionary action. Neutral tags will be better but even that should not be necessary; theymos can permanently lock an account and it will be impossible for anyone to access it anytime in the future, it was done for Lauda and more recently o_e_l_e_o.

If no one can access the account the risk of AI impersonation will not matter at all.

It's a long way from being able to do that with an AI, and in the case that it can be done, whoever owns that technology could use it to create hundreds of different accounts that create quality posts and that in about 9 months would be starting to monetize. By then, should that happen, I think the forum would no longer exist or at least not as we know it.

In addition to making a thread in the forum, the suggestion of tagging the account is also great so that the combination of both will render the account useless. I think few persons who left the forum, such as Leo and Lauda, left thread that served the right purpose and till date we have not seen anyone claiming to be them directly or via AI. That to me is a perfect way to go about it unless maybe it happens abruptly, in which case it becomes very difficult to know if such person actually left.

The tone of the post is that of inquiry and not that of decision. I wouldn't want him to leave yet because he has and continues to play important role in the forum. Like you said, he is definitely among the most generous merit sources who visit several boards distributing merits without looking at the ranks of the posters.

why are you so worried about AI impersonation? is your email compromised? or does anyone else have your password? because if its safe and you wish to retire now you can just log out without anyone noticing until it becomes obvious except you have doubts about your email security or password.

Red tags is a good idea but I don't like to see it on someones profile because the impression it has on this forum member is bad people may not even look at the reason behind the tag but as long as it has red tags the user is considered for some reason a violator etc.

The forum has some better options already.
Option one is to set 2FA and ask theymos to ban your account same as Satoshi, Lauda, and o_e_l_e_o accounts.
Option two is, to create a thread in the reputation section and sign a message from your Bitcoin wallet and this should work as well. You can use PGP messages as well if you want. I would ask someone to use red tag the account as a last option.

I have the same feelings as others, no matter how well they trained. If they get access to your account somehow and continue to use your account, they will get caught at some point. But, I want to hope that you won't leave the forum unless it's extremely necessary.

No matter how well they try to train the AI to communicate like a member, it's definitely not going to generate 100% perfection in how the person posts; it's easy to differentiate such posts from how the original person usually posts.
 
I have read a post somewhere where a user tried to train AI to post like a particular user. I guess it was to post like "Franky1," but the result came out negative.  Can't locate the thread link for now.
 
I believe it's not 100% positive to impersonate someone; it will always be noticeable, especially for an account that has gained a reputation on the forum, and users can easily tell how the person communicates.

Why not just create a thread in reputation and announce if you will leave the forum? in case you want to comeback, you need to sign a message from your old address. I think these two things are enough to prove someone ownership.

But, I hope that you're only asking for curiosity, not have a plan to leave...

The forum needs you, because you're one of few merit sources to fairly distribute your sMerit without looking who post it.

Although in the issue of faking an original account AI is causing a nuisance but one thing I always say is no matter how the bot is trained to mimic a user an easier give away is the use of natural language, this tool is one way to use to dictate an original account to a fake account.

Your suggestion is quite good but it seems too harsh to me on persons like you. Negative trust is a negative trust a defamation trust to me, why not use the neutral tag instead, or better still admin go extra length to add custom title to the profile like the one on o_e_l_e_o to indicate that the account is retired

I don't see the problem: if I leave this place, nobody else has access to my account, and nobody else can use it to post.
Besides, I've been called an AI for years, so I'm pretty sure someone's going to notice the firmware change.

so it occurs to me that an AI could be trained on an abandoned users posts to the point of it being able to mimic the original account holder. it could mimic the original account holder to the point of fooling casual inspection.

so to permanently retire an account (mine for example) i thought of asking a bunch of DT1 etc to red paint my account with neg trust and say its toast and done. the object being to make the account useless as to the point its no longer of value.

but the AI impersonation bit disturbs me as i can see it happening. or am i in tinfoil land again.

any comments welcome

edit: aside from setting up OTP and setting a password to something ridiculous, then destroying them both. i want something that makes the underlying account useless for taking over in the 1st place.