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legendary
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October 07, 2016, 12:36:22 PM
#32
The ranks should just follow the existing pattern of doubling the activity each time. Legendary should be made achievable at 960 then the next rank at 1920 and so on.
I see this problematic in the long run as you end up having a lot of people labeled in a specific rank that is supposed to be *rare*, e.g. legendary (note: How long this is going to take is debatable).

we have a lot of full/senior members tho +/- hero. after implementation of this doubling idea we will have many legendary members but no one will care anymore since we will have a rare one just after it (mystical or whatever...) and so on Smiley
sr. member
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October 07, 2016, 10:26:05 AM
#31
I also like the idea that introducing more rank after the legendary would be good.The reason why i am saying this because as the time will increase we will see more and more members becoming legendary.Not many right now because forum that too old.But with time alot of hero members would become legendary and it would keep happening and for those who are already legendary right now wont have any progress.In 1-2 years may be i would also become a legendary and those who are legendary at this time will stay the same.But that would be unfare on them.
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 10:18:57 AM
#30
If we decide to keep the existing schedule of increasing the activity by 14 points every other week, we would only need to increase the activity threshold for higher ranks more often (or rather less often for lower ranks). For example, incrementing the activity level required for a Senior Member by 14 would in this case require 4 weeks, within which the threshold for reaching a Hero Member rank will be increased two times by 28 in total (14+14). In this way, we will have the new activity levels set to 254 and 254x2=508, or 240+14 and 480+14+14, for Senior and Hero members, respectively...

- I just started reading this thread.

Whoa, whoa. Isn't there a problem here, though?

If it takes 4 weeks to increase the Sr. Member activity requirement by 14 and we keep the "doubling" formula, wouldn't it be impossible to reach Hero Member? (Since the requirement increases as equally as the activity given to members directly).

It would be +14 to the activity requirement for Hero Members every fortnight, but that's equal to how much activity you receive.

Wouldn't it be better to just have a flat rate of adding 14 to the requirement every 4 weeks? (And as you suggested, to the cap of 2x the current requirements)

The point is not to increment the activity levels indefinitely. After reaching, for example, 960 for a Hero Member rank (480 for Sr. Member, and so forth), the system could be slowed down significantly or halted completely until the next overhaul. On the other hand, there shouldn't be a lot of issues if the activity levels get incremented in a constant but slow fashion (say, once per month) to keep up with forum aging. As I see it, the system has a lot of room for both improvement and tweaking...

But I think that the doubling pattern should be preserved

It would be +14 to the activity requirement for Hero Members every fortnight, but that's equal to how much activity you receive

That, in fact, could be a beneficial side effect. That is, no more new Hero or Legendary members for some time
copper member
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Spear the bees
October 07, 2016, 09:52:12 AM
#29
If we decide to keep the existing schedule of increasing the activity by 14 points every other week, we would only need to increase the activity threshold for higher ranks more often (or rather less often for lower ranks). For example, incrementing the activity level required for a Senior Member by 14 would in this case require 4 weeks, within which the threshold for reaching a Hero Member rank will be increased two times by 28 in total (14+14). In this way, we will have the new activity levels set to 254 and 254x2=508, or 240+14 and 480+14+14, for Senior and Hero members, respectively...

- I just started reading this thread.

Whoa, whoa. Isn't there a problem here, though?

If it takes 4 weeks to increase the Sr. Member activity requirement by 14 and we keep the "doubling" formula, wouldn't it be impossible to reach Hero Member? (Since the requirement increases as equally as the activity given to members directly).

It would be +14 to the activity requirement for Hero Members every fortnight, but that's equal to how much activity you receive.

Wouldn't it be better to just have a flat rate of adding 14 to the requirement every 4 weeks? (And as you suggested, to the cap of 2x the current requirements)



And now, to change the brainstormed idea.

Okay, let's wait and see. I hope the changes proposed here won't be implemented before I become a Legendary Member myself. I somehow sympathize with the low-rank low-activity members who are thinking that only Legendary Members will benefit if this system of increasing activity levels (or something similar to it) starts off for real. But, on the hand, the activity level required for reaching, say, a Hero Member rank looks really ridiculous by now, so a major overhaul of the current system seems to be long due and overdue...

Your previous incremental idea is feasible, I think... But would an increase of 7 activity points to the required amount per rank be better? Older members should only notice it slightly, but this could be a way to block out farmed accounts and the flooding of (Jr.) Member scammers.

(Again, at a flat rate for each rank, instead of having the same doubling formula, otherwise ranks would be impossible to reach until the increments are capped)

I'm curious who opted for being the Legend in the poll

Most likely not a legendary member.



legendary
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October 07, 2016, 09:44:55 AM
#28
I doubt the ranking system will ever change though. But we can all hope.

Theymos will actually listen if you're not just negative and actually suggesting something.

What about increasing the time of updating the activity period from 14 days to 28 or 30 days?
Um... Why? Activity is meant to be 1 for every day, and 14 days is enough for a user to get back online. Simple.
I agree with you, Users who contribute to this site on a daily basis deserve to have a higher than than those who don't.
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
#27
Ultimately, I will accept whatever it should be called provided this proposal gets accepted at all
You are right about that, and it doesn't matter much. I just wanted to point it out because it may make some people think you're suggested an instant jump (in case they don't read all the posts in the thread).

I doubt the ranking system will ever change though. But we can all hope.
If you make a compelling case and suggest a noticeable improvement over the current one, I don't see why not

Okay, let's wait and see. I hope the changes proposed here won't be implemented before I become a Legendary Member myself. I somehow sympathize with the low-rank low-activity members who are thinking that only Legendary Members will benefit if this system of increasing activity levels (or something similar to it) starts off for real. But, on the hand, the activity level required for reaching, say, a Hero Member rank looks really ridiculous by now, so a major overhaul of the current system seems to be long due and overdue...

Theymos will actually listen if you're not just negative and actually suggesting something.

I'm curious who opted for being the Legend in the poll
legendary
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October 07, 2016, 07:07:33 AM
#26
I doubt the ranking system will ever change though. But we can all hope.

Theymos will actually listen if you're not just negative and actually suggesting something.

What about increasing the time of updating the activity period from 14 days to 28 or 30 days?
Um... Why? Activity is meant to be 1 for every day, and 14 days is enough for a user to get back online. Simple.
legendary
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October 05, 2016, 05:20:44 AM
#25
Ultimately, I will accept whatever it should be called provided this proposal gets accepted at all
You are right about that, and it doesn't matter much. I just wanted to point it out because it may make some people think you're suggested an instant jump (in case they don't read all the posts in the thread).

I doubt the ranking system will ever change though. But we can all hope.
If you make a compelling case and suggest a noticeable improvement over the current one, I don't see why not.

I think the current rank system is perfect and there's no need to revamp it.
Nothing is perfect, and this system is far from it.

What about increasing the time of updating the activity period from 14 days to 28 or 30 days?
No.
legendary
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October 05, 2016, 05:11:05 AM
#24
I think the current rank system is perfect and there's no need to revamp it.What about increasing the time of updating the activity period from 14 days to 28 or 30 days?
hero member
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October 05, 2016, 05:10:33 AM
#23
The ranks should just follow the existing pattern of doubling the activity each time. Legendary should be made achievable at 960 then the next rank at 1920 and so on.
Yeah I don't like the idea that some people get Legendary before other people with the same amount of activity. It should just be set at double each time. I also feel like some Legendaries don't deserve their rank and they are very unknowledgeable.

Just not liking it is not enough, you should actually get there to truly feel it in full measure

Well I know that my one word won't be enough to change the whole ranking system. I doubt the ranking system will ever change though. But we can all hope.
legendary
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October 05, 2016, 05:08:04 AM
#22
The ranks should just follow the existing pattern of doubling the activity each time. Legendary should be made achievable at 960 then the next rank at 1920 and so on.
Yeah I don't like the idea that some people get Legendary before other people with the same amount of activity. It should just be set at double each time. I also feel like some Legendaries don't deserve their rank and they are very unknowledgeable.

Just not liking it is not enough, you should actually get there to truly feel it in full measure

Please note that I'm talking only about increasing the activity levels required for reaching the next rank, not about the activity itself, which will get increased as per usual, i.e. every two weeks by 14 points
Progressively increasing the activity levels would probably be a more accurate description of what you're suggesting

I would still stick to gradual. Both gradual and progressive mean essentially the same thing, i.e. a steady change. But unlike the latter, the former has also a connotation of making increases in small elaborate stages or steps. The reason being that a careless increase in the activity thresholds may cause some members to lose their current rank due to the activity level required for it surpassing their current activity, which I specifically mentioned in the OP. Even if promotion to a rank was a one-way ticket, metaphorically speaking, it would still look rather strange and most likely raise a lot of confusion between members as well...

Ultimately, I will accept whatever it should be called provided this proposal gets accepted at all
hero member
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October 05, 2016, 04:48:01 AM
#21
The ranks should just follow the existing pattern of doubling the activity each time. Legendary should be made achievable at 960 then the next rank at 1920 and so on.
Yeah I don't like the idea that some people get Legendary before other people with the same amount of activity. It should just be set at double each time. I also feel like some Legendaries don't deserve their rank and they are very unknowledgeable.
legendary
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October 05, 2016, 03:48:49 AM
#20
On a side track: I really dislike seeing Hero or even Legendary members with big fat Red Trust. I'd like to suggest dropping one rank for each Red Trust from a DT-member. If a user can't be trusted at all, he should be a Newbie, even with 1000+ Activity.

This is like having thousands of Legendary members sticking around the forum, only in reverse order (but still negative in respect to forum reputation). How can someone possibly be a newbie if he has been active for many years in the forum? The latter is as discrediting as the former, though in a different way. And what should the staff do if all accusations have been removed or otherwise invalidated? To raise his rank to Hero or Legendary again?

Trust is trust while activity is activity (bad or good), and they shouldn't be mixed or confused
legendary
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October 05, 2016, 03:39:12 AM
#19
On a side track: I really dislike seeing Hero or even Legendary members with big fat Red Trust. I'd like to suggest dropping one rank for each Red Trust from a DT-member. If a user can't be trusted at all, he should be a Newbie, even with 1000+ Activity.
legendary
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October 05, 2016, 03:34:04 AM
#18
Can I become a hero member now? if I promise to post daily for the next 6 months or so?

We should have a ranking system working like t hat.
That'll only encourage more people to spam the forum with useless posts if ranks are achieved like that. The current ranking system is doing fine. Adding another rank or maybe even incentives to legendary and up members would be great.
copper member
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October 05, 2016, 02:23:33 AM
#17
Can I become a hero member now? if I promise to post daily for the next 6 months or so?

We should have a ranking system working like t hat.
member
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October 05, 2016, 02:16:12 AM
#16
sounds good give the forum something new and more important ranks would be nice.
sr. member
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October 04, 2016, 11:54:35 PM
#15
No matter what the system, eventually a lot of people will reach the highest status. If I'm not mistaken it takes years to reah legendary, so it's not easy feat. If there are a lot of people with legendary, than that means there's a lot of activity on this site, and the site is not that young anymore.



if they have a long term plan to maintain this forum for a few more years then they should think about a better system,either they have to revamp the activity level which is not possible since everyone will be affected,one thing they can do is create new ranking level and combine the hours online as well as the reported post accuracy along with the activity level and implement the new ranking levels like you see in elite torrent sites.
sr. member
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October 04, 2016, 10:43:27 PM
#14
No matter what the system, eventually a lot of people will reach the highest status. If I'm not mistaken it takes years to reah legendary, so it's not easy feat. If there are a lot of people with legendary, than that means there's a lot of activity on this site, and the site is not that young anymore.

legendary
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October 04, 2016, 03:44:42 PM
#13
The ranks should just follow the existing pattern of doubling the activity each time. Legendary should be made achievable at 960 then the next rank at 1920 and so on.
I see this problematic in the long run as you end up having a lot of people labeled in a specific rank that is supposed to be *rare*, e.g. legendary (note: How long this is going to take is debatable).

Soon most of us will be legendaries.
No, the word soon is wrong here. I've seen a lot of people state this, and yet it isn't even close to happening.

Please note that I'm talking only about increasing the activity levels required for reaching the next rank, not about the activity itself, which will get increased as per usual, i.e. every two weeks by 14 points
Progressively increasing the activity levels would probably be a more accurate description of what you're suggesting.

users should be VETERAN  this rank must be given based on the activity level as well as a voting system between the admin or the staff members and make a bench mark which cannot be gained easily to this user class, how about this suggestion folks.
Staff votes on Veteran rank for user X -> User X scams group of people Y -> Group of people Y blame staff for promoting user X. No thanks.
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