Not familiar with paywithmoon service but with bitrefill i would say its legit.I tried on using to load up my mobile phone and buying up with some steam credits.
All things went smooth and no problem and just like on what being said above i do prefer direct payments than using up 3rd parties.I also forgot to mention that this
is also the place where i do purchase up Roblox too.
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good alternative to gift card malls that use bitpay---who i hate dealing with.
i will say though, i wish bitrefill would put a warning about RBF re zero conf tx. on the invoice page, they say they'll credit you with zero conf if you use a minimum fee rate. cool right? but they say nothing about RBF. so when you send an RBF payment, you're stuck waiting for confirmation, and since they told you to use a low fee rate you might be waiting a while. since your transaction is already RBF, you have no choice but to wait it out or send a higher fee. this does a disservice to new/forgetful customers. and it's silly because one could double spend an unconfirmed non-RBF transaction just as easily.
Hello! bitrefill.com here. If it is as easy to double spend then just use non-RBF
. Joke aside, we consider RBF for advanced users only, not suitable for commerce. The number of those transactions we receive is too low for us to put a warning in the UI. The best is to use a wallet that doesn't RBF by default, ideally lightning as it is less prone to mistakes and you are always sure it will settle instantly (and you get 2% off) OK.
Thanks.
Yeah, https://crypterium.com/. Buy crypto, cash out, top-up mobile, order and/or load Crypterium Card.
By the way, due to a large number of new customers, the delays can happen through the KYC and top-ups, just be sure you sent right documents. When it will be processed, you will receive an email notification by the team.
P.S: Never believe in the search results which forwards you to the unconventional flash BTC to the Mobile top-up pages of Google. The wise scammers use all possible way for stealing from people with these shady tricks.
OK.
Thanks.
Let me know when you need any help in this case. I have used the mentioned services and strongly advise to use the Crypterium application for the getting best rates on the markets. The market rate must be considered by the mobile top-up apps in order to satisfy their customers.
For the next time, you can compare your feedbacks after checking the service quality. Crypterium is better than all these mentioned services in my opinion. The Bitrefill rates are lower than the average market rate, just check their new Crypterium application, you will not regret after the first impression. I strongly advise to check the market rates of the mentioned applications in order to avoid the confusion, it is personal preference to choose the required applications for your own needs.
OK.
Bitrefill is a trusted website.
Thank you all for your comments.
Bye bye.
good alternative to gift card malls that use bitpay---who i hate dealing with.
i will say though, i wish bitrefill would put a warning about RBF re zero conf tx. on the invoice page, they say they'll credit you with zero conf if you use a minimum fee rate. cool right? but they say nothing about RBF. so when you send an RBF payment, you're stuck waiting for confirmation, and since they told you to use a low fee rate you might be waiting a while. since your transaction is already RBF, you have no choice but to wait it out or send a higher fee. this does a disservice to new/forgetful customers. and it's silly because one could double spend an unconfirmed non-RBF transaction just as easily.
I can vouch for Bitrefill too. It's my go-to shop to buy gift cards and whatnot through Lightning for instant settlement.
It's actually faster than when my third party Lightning client forwards to me whether the transaction has gone through or not. I award people with Reddit awards quite regularly, and the award has been awarded even before I got a message from my client that the payment has gone through.
What I like even more about Bitrefill, is that they accept Bitcoin directly, and not through a shitty third party payment gateway. Kudos to them for that.
It's actually faster than when my third party Lightning client forwards to me whether the transaction has gone through or not. I award people with Reddit awards quite regularly, and the award has been awarded even before I got a message from my client that the payment has gone through.
What I like even more about Bitrefill, is that they accept Bitcoin directly, and not through a shitty third party payment gateway. Kudos to them for that.
Bitrefill is legit, you can use them for recharging and top up your mobile account, I have used them and got the money in pretty quickly. Just make sure your country is good with transacting with bitcoin, you dont wan to fall into wrong legal problems. I dont have a full detail about how they operate with the merchant side.
Havent heard of the other site, please read what other users have said about PWM.
Havent heard of the other site, please read what other users have said about PWM.
Bitrefill is legit. I've used it in the past to buy Steam money, just to test it out and to do my first bitcoin transaction through the lightning network. Everything went well, though I've only used it once.
Also, their CCO is John Carvalho[1], which is a fairly famous dude in the Bitcoin community. He's the one who interviewed(and made him ragequit) Roger Ver in the past.
[1] https://twitter.com/bitcoinerrorlog?lang=en
Also, their CCO is John Carvalho[1], which is a fairly famous dude in the Bitcoin community. He's the one who interviewed(and made him ragequit) Roger Ver in the past.
[1] https://twitter.com/bitcoinerrorlog?lang=en
I've never used bitrefill but I've seen enough reviews to know they're legit, here are some of them
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitrefill-is-it-authenticate-website-1310121
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitrefill-not-functional-5135683
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitrefill-not-working-5048870
Don't use paywithmoon, There's a big security issue that was raised about them which they outrightly ignored (that silence says something imo).
Quoting the post
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitrefill-is-it-authenticate-website-1310121
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitrefill-not-functional-5135683
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitrefill-not-working-5048870
Don't use paywithmoon, There's a big security issue that was raised about them which they outrightly ignored (that silence says something imo).
Quoting the post
DON’T USE THIS SERVICE!
UNINSTALL IT RIGHT NOW AND REVOKE YOUR COINBASE API KEYS.
I just saw this while browsing through Reddit:
Until this is solved, don’t trust them.
UNINSTALL IT RIGHT NOW AND REVOKE YOUR COINBASE API KEYS.
I just saw this while browsing through Reddit:
Quote
Dear members of the Ethereum community,
TL;DR: Uninstall Moon, Revoke your Coinbase API Keys NOW and PROTECT YOUR ETHEREUM
I was the co-founder and CTO at https://paywithmoon.com. Due to my discovery of the unethical business practices Moon Technologies, Inc. has been engaged in, I have left the company.
As of today, the moon browser extension manipulates the DOM of the users' browsers to give them an augmented shopping experience, one that allows them to shop online with cryptocurrency. Over the past couple of months, my co-founder, Kenneth Kruger, has ordered the collection of data belonging to users as a way to improve customer experiences. No users have ever been asked explicitly if they would prefer to opt-out of tracking, a feature which I regularly insisted should be added. If you are a user and look under at terms and conditions stated under https://paywithmoon.com/terms-conditions/ (dated 26 Feb 2019), you will find the agreement hidden under one of the terms and conditions. This is a huge breach of GDPR and privacy laws that are meant to protect user data.
From the moment a user installs the browser extension, the company will know exactly what pages are open on the user's browser, what the content of those pages are, and what the user is doing with them.
The biggest and most alarming issue of all, is the process of collection of how the browser extension works in the backend - Coinbase API keys. From the moment the user initiates the connection between the company and Coinbase, the company watches for changes in the user's current window, waiting for the user to complete the one-time passcode (OTP) verification process as required by Coinbase. Once that is done, the company programatically clicks the required permissions (scopes) required to create the API key as it sees fit.
The API key is then shown only once on the next screen, but the user does not know this (done via CSS manipulation). The company extracts the API keys into the backend, stored in plain text on the company's database on AWS. This is a definite security antipattern. This API key is then able to be used indefinitely until manually revoked by the individual user.
When I asked Kenneth Kruger why we should not encrypt the keys or create recursively locking IAM policies to prevent anyone in the management team to have personal access to users' API keys, Kenneth Kruger constantly avoided or redirected the discussion and prevented me from building any kind of system that would protect users.
Only two days ago, I have been locked out of my organization accounts including AWS and can no longer take preventive measures to protect users.
If you are a user of our browser extension today, ***PLEASE*** you need to uninstall the browser extension via chrome://extensions and go into https://www.coinbase.com/settings/api and revoke ALL your API keys NOW.
If you have not used the Moon browser extension, but know of a friend that might, please inform him or her to do so immediately.
You can read more about my experience in another post here https://np.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/au668p/what_to_do_in_the_event_you_get_zuckerberged_in_a/.
I had created Moon as I was crazy enough to think I was able to change the world with the single vision of bringing mass adoption to cryptocurrency, accelerating the future of the financial system. However, today is truly a sad day for crypto. Until we can find a way to completely decentralize and move away from the corporations, the no-accountability attitude and greed many executives possess, we cannot hope to bring forth the dream of cryptocurrency.
Until we meet on the moon again, please be safe, not sorry,
Alexander Ang
https://reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/auqrhf/psa_on_moon_browser_extension/TL;DR: Uninstall Moon, Revoke your Coinbase API Keys NOW and PROTECT YOUR ETHEREUM
I was the co-founder and CTO at https://paywithmoon.com. Due to my discovery of the unethical business practices Moon Technologies, Inc. has been engaged in, I have left the company.
As of today, the moon browser extension manipulates the DOM of the users' browsers to give them an augmented shopping experience, one that allows them to shop online with cryptocurrency. Over the past couple of months, my co-founder, Kenneth Kruger, has ordered the collection of data belonging to users as a way to improve customer experiences. No users have ever been asked explicitly if they would prefer to opt-out of tracking, a feature which I regularly insisted should be added. If you are a user and look under at terms and conditions stated under https://paywithmoon.com/terms-conditions/ (dated 26 Feb 2019), you will find the agreement hidden under one of the terms and conditions. This is a huge breach of GDPR and privacy laws that are meant to protect user data.
From the moment a user installs the browser extension, the company will know exactly what pages are open on the user's browser, what the content of those pages are, and what the user is doing with them.
The biggest and most alarming issue of all, is the process of collection of how the browser extension works in the backend - Coinbase API keys. From the moment the user initiates the connection between the company and Coinbase, the company watches for changes in the user's current window, waiting for the user to complete the one-time passcode (OTP) verification process as required by Coinbase. Once that is done, the company programatically clicks the required permissions (scopes) required to create the API key as it sees fit.
The API key is then shown only once on the next screen, but the user does not know this (done via CSS manipulation). The company extracts the API keys into the backend, stored in plain text on the company's database on AWS. This is a definite security antipattern. This API key is then able to be used indefinitely until manually revoked by the individual user.
When I asked Kenneth Kruger why we should not encrypt the keys or create recursively locking IAM policies to prevent anyone in the management team to have personal access to users' API keys, Kenneth Kruger constantly avoided or redirected the discussion and prevented me from building any kind of system that would protect users.
Only two days ago, I have been locked out of my organization accounts including AWS and can no longer take preventive measures to protect users.
If you are a user of our browser extension today, ***PLEASE*** you need to uninstall the browser extension via chrome://extensions and go into https://www.coinbase.com/settings/api and revoke ALL your API keys NOW.
If you have not used the Moon browser extension, but know of a friend that might, please inform him or her to do so immediately.
You can read more about my experience in another post here https://np.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/au668p/what_to_do_in_the_event_you_get_zuckerberged_in_a/.
I had created Moon as I was crazy enough to think I was able to change the world with the single vision of bringing mass adoption to cryptocurrency, accelerating the future of the financial system. However, today is truly a sad day for crypto. Until we can find a way to completely decentralize and move away from the corporations, the no-accountability attitude and greed many executives possess, we cannot hope to bring forth the dream of cryptocurrency.
Until we meet on the moon again, please be safe, not sorry,
Alexander Ang
Until this is solved, don’t trust them.
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