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New York Times’ Reddit Piece Shows Dangers of Internet Journalism


The world is still adjusting to the idea of instant news on the Internet and the ability to easily change and rewrite history in many ways. The Internet has, for better or worse, completely changed the way reporting can be done with a very simple tool: the ability to update pieces after launch. This has many upsides as it means new information can be added to easily augment or complete stories to provide more information to readers and keeping pieces timely. However, there is a hefty potential downside, where sites can cover up and completely rewrite stories without any informing, correcting major errors without comment or just flat out change the story they’re covering.

The New York Times is most recently guilty of this as a NewsDiff’s comparison of their story on Ellen Pao’s resignation shows. The original story was written by Mike Isaac who titled it “Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief” and presented a relatively neutral and information driven piece on the situation as a business technologies writer. That story, though, is not what you’d find if you went to the New York Times now, because nearly all of it was rewritten by David Streitfeld with reporting by Vindu Goel in San Francisco and published on the front page. It is titled “It’s Silicon Valley 2, Ellen Pao 0: Fighter of Sexism Is Out at Reddit” and is much more of an opinion heavy piece compared to the previous one.

The differences are astounding, as anyone who viewed the original article would return and find it replaced with a wholly other story dealing primarily with sexism around Reddit and how Ellen Pao was a “hero to many.” While the original article included the sentence “Many Reddit users blamed Ms. Pao directly in the hours after Ms. Taylor’s firing, flooding Reddit’s forums with vitriolic messages — often racist and misogynistic — calling for Ms. Pao’s ouster” it was the only instance of citing sexism or misogyny in the original article, as, particularly recently, users’ comments towards Pao were generally unkind. The story also originally had a small mention of her previous and ongoing court room drama regarding gender discrimination that was significantly increased in the rewrite, putting in almost a small other article on the state of that trial there.

The issue here in many ways has to deal with the fact that David Streitfeld’s updated story has almost nothing in common with Mike Isaac’s original story. Only 87 words carried over to the new version, and while allowing for a few more in just format changes, that is an incredibly small amount of the 477 words that were in the original article. The tone, the angle, the presentation, and what the article was attempting to accomplish are vastly different things that merit a separate piece instead of a complete rewrite.

http://techraptor.net/content/new-york-times-reddit-piece-shows-dangers-of-internet-journalism


Comparing: It’s Silicon Valley 2, Ellen Pao 0: Fighter of Sexism Is Out at Reddit
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html


http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html


Were they purported to be the same article, or did the rewrite change the byline too?

It just seems like the mainstream media is heading further towards sensationalism to get readers versus just reporting news. There were a few articles on Yahoo (dunno if anyone would call them mainstream), but they talked about homosexuality, and those issues recently. They are often criticized in their comment section of using the worst titles, idiotic stories with wrong conclusions based on what little facts they have, etc, just to get views these days. Most of the comments on those types of stories show not many are buying into it, and yet, they continue to pump them out instead of trying to clean up the way they "report" things or "advertise" with odd titles that don't really match the story.


Does the nyt article mention any correction or updates or changes? If not then it was stealthy. Check out the newsdiffs.org link.


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New York Times’ Reddit Piece Shows Dangers of Internet Journalism


The world is still adjusting to the idea of instant news on the Internet and the ability to easily change and rewrite history in many ways. The Internet has, for better or worse, completely changed the way reporting can be done with a very simple tool: the ability to update pieces after launch. This has many upsides as it means new information can be added to easily augment or complete stories to provide more information to readers and keeping pieces timely. However, there is a hefty potential downside, where sites can cover up and completely rewrite stories without any informing, correcting major errors without comment or just flat out change the story they’re covering.

The New York Times is most recently guilty of this as a NewsDiff’s comparison of their story on Ellen Pao’s resignation shows. The original story was written by Mike Isaac who titled it “Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief” and presented a relatively neutral and information driven piece on the situation as a business technologies writer. That story, though, is not what you’d find if you went to the New York Times now, because nearly all of it was rewritten by David Streitfeld with reporting by Vindu Goel in San Francisco and published on the front page. It is titled “It’s Silicon Valley 2, Ellen Pao 0: Fighter of Sexism Is Out at Reddit” and is much more of an opinion heavy piece compared to the previous one.

The differences are astounding, as anyone who viewed the original article would return and find it replaced with a wholly other story dealing primarily with sexism around Reddit and how Ellen Pao was a “hero to many.” While the original article included the sentence “Many Reddit users blamed Ms. Pao directly in the hours after Ms. Taylor’s firing, flooding Reddit’s forums with vitriolic messages — often racist and misogynistic — calling for Ms. Pao’s ouster” it was the only instance of citing sexism or misogyny in the original article, as, particularly recently, users’ comments towards Pao were generally unkind. The story also originally had a small mention of her previous and ongoing court room drama regarding gender discrimination that was significantly increased in the rewrite, putting in almost a small other article on the state of that trial there.

The issue here in many ways has to deal with the fact that David Streitfeld’s updated story has almost nothing in common with Mike Isaac’s original story. Only 87 words carried over to the new version, and while allowing for a few more in just format changes, that is an incredibly small amount of the 477 words that were in the original article. The tone, the angle, the presentation, and what the article was attempting to accomplish are vastly different things that merit a separate piece instead of a complete rewrite.

http://techraptor.net/content/new-york-times-reddit-piece-shows-dangers-of-internet-journalism


Comparing: It’s Silicon Valley 2, Ellen Pao 0: Fighter of Sexism Is Out at Reddit
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html


http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html


Were they purported to be the same article, or did the rewrite change the byline too?

It just seems like the mainstream media is heading further towards sensationalism to get readers versus just reporting news. There were a few articles on Yahoo (dunno if anyone would call them mainstream), but they talked about homosexuality, and those issues recently. They are often criticized in their comment section of using the worst titles, idiotic stories with wrong conclusions based on what little facts they have, etc, just to get views these days. Most of the comments on those types of stories show not many are buying into it, and yet, they continue to pump them out instead of trying to clean up the way they "report" things or "advertise" with odd titles that don't really match the story.
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New York Times’ Reddit Piece Shows Dangers of Internet Journalism


The world is still adjusting to the idea of instant news on the Internet and the ability to easily change and rewrite history in many ways. The Internet has, for better or worse, completely changed the way reporting can be done with a very simple tool: the ability to update pieces after launch. This has many upsides as it means new information can be added to easily augment or complete stories to provide more information to readers and keeping pieces timely. However, there is a hefty potential downside, where sites can cover up and completely rewrite stories without any informing, correcting major errors without comment or just flat out change the story they’re covering.

The New York Times is most recently guilty of this as a NewsDiff’s comparison of their story on Ellen Pao’s resignation shows. The original story was written by Mike Isaac who titled it “Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief” and presented a relatively neutral and information driven piece on the situation as a business technologies writer. That story, though, is not what you’d find if you went to the New York Times now, because nearly all of it was rewritten by David Streitfeld with reporting by Vindu Goel in San Francisco and published on the front page. It is titled “It’s Silicon Valley 2, Ellen Pao 0: Fighter of Sexism Is Out at Reddit” and is much more of an opinion heavy piece compared to the previous one.

The differences are astounding, as anyone who viewed the original article would return and find it replaced with a wholly other story dealing primarily with sexism around Reddit and how Ellen Pao was a “hero to many.” While the original article included the sentence “Many Reddit users blamed Ms. Pao directly in the hours after Ms. Taylor’s firing, flooding Reddit’s forums with vitriolic messages — often racist and misogynistic — calling for Ms. Pao’s ouster” it was the only instance of citing sexism or misogyny in the original article, as, particularly recently, users’ comments towards Pao were generally unkind. The story also originally had a small mention of her previous and ongoing court room drama regarding gender discrimination that was significantly increased in the rewrite, putting in almost a small other article on the state of that trial there.

The issue here in many ways has to deal with the fact that David Streitfeld’s updated story has almost nothing in common with Mike Isaac’s original story. Only 87 words carried over to the new version, and while allowing for a few more in just format changes, that is an incredibly small amount of the 477 words that were in the original article. The tone, the angle, the presentation, and what the article was attempting to accomplish are vastly different things that merit a separate piece instead of a complete rewrite.


http://techraptor.net/content/new-york-times-reddit-piece-shows-dangers-of-internet-journalism



Comparing: It’s Silicon Valley 2, Ellen Pao 0: Fighter of Sexism Is Out at Reddit
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html



http://newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html


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Just as long as you bow out after getting one last obnoxiously large picture in, you wouldn't want to risk over-polluting the thread!

Sure.

 Smiley

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Just as long as you bow out after getting one last obnoxiously large picture in, you wouldn't want to risk over-polluting the thread!
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Just gimme pom poms and call me Tammy. Might even go for a basket toss.


You are doing just fine. Every troubadour needs a fan club anyway...




I'll stop right there as this is not my thread and do not want to pollute it any further...

 Wink


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Just gimme pom poms and call me Tammy. Might even go for a basket toss.
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I didn't expect that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BringBackPao
https://www.change.org/p/reddit-bring-back-pao

Waiting for her to sue reddit for sexual discrimination or something...

I don't think that's going to happen.

Don't pay it no mind. Got a little riled up in his hate fantasy.


That's the spirit!
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I didn't expect that:

https://www.reddit.com/r/BringBackPao
https://www.change.org/p/reddit-bring-back-pao

Waiting for her to sue reddit for sexual discrimination or something...

I don't think that's going to happen.

Don't pay it no mind. Got a little riled up in his hate fantasy.
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Waiting for her to sue reddit for sexual discrimination or something...


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I don't like Ellen Pao, but I also don't like how the moderators of reddit are acting.

Of course they are not getting paid for the right of making decisions about what's allowed to post by millions of people ...


Enjoy.

Reddit Live Censorship

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI0WXBvzeEQ


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That is actually quite sad, the use of censorship. Post with "Vict0ria" instead of "Victoria" if someone really wants to post about Victoria. (You risk getting banned, post about Victoria at your own risk.)


Reddit is hard at work pushing its public valuation to DIGG territory.



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That's amazing how such a large amount of sub reddits have chosen to go dark in protest.
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That is actually quite sad, the use of censorship. Post with "Vict0ria" instead of "Victoria" if someone really wants to post about Victoria. (You risk getting banned, post about Victoria at your own risk.)
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/r/pics deleting anything with 'Victoria' in the title and banning the poster.


******

Can confirm was banned for the use of "Victorian"

***

Hm, so the site renowned for not being censored is now being censored. This is actually really sad...


**********

They are deleting all pics with any reference such as this one even if the word is not in the title. I haven't been banned or blocked though.
http://i.imgur.com/cKUbv3e.png


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This was deleted.

Prince Albert's wedding day
http://i.imgur.com/l6SNbyV.png

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/3bzedq/rpics_deleting_anything_with_victoria_in_the/



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Some of the subreddits have now gone back to public, such as /r/science and /r/gaming.



Of course they did






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Some of the subreddits have now gone back to public, such as /r/science and /r/gaming.
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there should be some platform without censorship (anyway, of course that nazi stuff or child porn should be banned everywhere..)

That's random. Where do you draw the line?  It's not legality, because nazi stuff is legal in most countries, but if you ban hate speech in general there's no room for FPH.

line is already drawn and respected and majority of forums for couple of years and is called Godwin's law. more details here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

anyway, everybody should have some piece of common sense inside and decide be own, what is still acceptable and what is behind border. those discussions are not about mods or rules, but about behavior, manners and maturity of users..
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