Topic: RIP Voting for important forum changes - page 2. (Read 502 times)

Sure.
Admins tend to ignore a lot of things  

No it's not.
Forum is a Public open space.

Voting would be just that - Vote from community and not mandatory change. Moderators and big boss would still have a final say like always.
But maybe you prefer to have no voice, and I can respect that.


It is partially related to that case yes.

Title say Voting for  IMPORTANT forum changes.
I would not waste time voting on trivial things, and again - Voting would be just that - Vote from community and not mandatory change. Moderators and big boss would still have a final say like always.

I'm not sure what kind of complex blockchain solution you had in mind, but it sounds like something that not a lot of people would participate in, especially if the issue being voted on (like a ban appeal) doesn't directly affect them.  And polls are useless on this forum; Anyone with 100 alt accounts can cast 100 votes.

I don't support decentralization across the board on all things, but that's just me.  Imagine having to vote on every idea that gets proposed for bitcointalk, or every controversial ban, or you name it.  People would get sick of that very quickly. 

The fact is that decentralization is what makes bitcoin great.  Bitcointalk, on the other hand, would end up being even more of a mess than it already is if a voting mechanism were implemented--and I think Theymos realizes this, which is why he hasn't made any changes headed in that direction.

With all those alt accounts around forum, what could possible go wrong 
Yep, I believe theymos is more interested into opinions and ideas than voting itself.

I am sure that OP is talking about ReguluHr. A member of our local forum who was banned at the beginning of 2019. His unban appeal is here > https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ban-appeal-regulushr-and-discussion-on-topic-good-for-the-forum-as-a-whole-5097792
Despite the majority of forum members voting to unban him and showing support in the thread, he was never unbanned. All the Croatian community wanted was to get a reply from theymos or another mod, but that never happened. It's almost 2 years now.

Voting has been tried, and was ignored by Admin.

The idea itself is not bad, but there are a couple of issues with that.

The forum is a private space, with some rules that are applied to all users, with no exception. Everyone must follow forum rules, or else they get the boot. If we were to start voting on every ban/unban than happens, what criteria would voting users follow? Their own personal experience with said users? That doesn't seem imparcial at all.

Apart from that; how would you keep trolls or disposable accounts created by the person that got banned with the sole porpuse of voting to unban them away? You could have some kind of requirements, but would once again be something that excludes a certain sector of forum users.

And if those were not reason enough, the drama wars would get more bullets. I've been away from the forum for some months, and I still don't know how things are at the moment, but if we take the past as a precedent, we can get an idea of what will most likely happen. User A from a "gang" will vote something, so someone from a "rival gang" will vote against it, so then more users from As' gang will vote.... It's a neverending tale.

Summing up... The current system, altough improvable, is quite good. You either follow the rules or don't join, and theymos is our absolute ruler. If someone considers that a ban is not reasonable, they can always create a ban appeal thread, and the discussion coming from there will be the closest to a "voting" we have, altough the last word comes from a mod or admin. End of story

A ban/unban poll can be easily manipulated as people have a lot of alts here and to win poll people may even create another business around it. And the forum is owned by theymos, he has all the right to govern it as he wants. So, I think current system is good enough.
Are you talking about any certain case? I haven't seen any such issue with ban/unban recently.

There are several reasons for and against relying on votes before making a decision.

Although Bitcoin is decentralized, this forum is centralized and is controlled by theymos and a group of admins and people he trusts. They interpret the rules how they see fit.
The thoughts of the majority doesn't mean that they are right. They can be very wrong, biased, unfair, etc..

Nevertheless, the opinions of the community should be respected and taken into consideration when making certain decisions. It is the community that makes the forum the way it is, not one person. Keep the people happy or they will just find their happiness elsewhere.

Because of that, I vote on voting for important forum changes.  

Can you imagine a better way for  making important decisions in bitcointalk forum?

Voting is something that is missing in current centralized moderation system in forum and we can slowly try to add this and not always depend on others and complain about decisions.

For example if we have a case of controversial ban/unban why not ask the community to VOTE and have their say about it?

Voting can be done by poll option, or with more complex blockchain solution.

If we support decentralization then I don't see why we should not support some kind of voting in bitcointalk forum.