Topic: Risk of jail for developers. Should you be anonymous? - page 4. (Read 1809 times)

The only government that could SUDDENLY do this is the biggest terrorist organisation in the world ( US ).
In fact having anonymous ninja developers is the best course of action for those who want to use a certain coin for illicit purposes. *"what is scary is having a well established dev team becoming celebrities in developer's community."

If you see nobody has touched them for over a decade, start investigating the cause. And let me save you the time, the reason is for convenience, it saves the government the time  and resources, it's easier to control the situation if they know where they are and what they do all the time.

If you start to think like the crooked agents of evil ( governments elites ), you can see the reasoning behind some events more clearly.

*= one can imagine such a thing to be bad, it's not. Keeping the agents of evil satisfied is a compromise but worth it as long as we the normal users can do with bitcoin as intended.

A government can legislate that developing "cryptocurrencies" enables money laundering, terrorism and whatnot, and suddenly any developer is under threat ot being arrested if they are not anonymous. Of course any developed democracy would need to go through various proceedings to get such a thing done, but it's not impossible, and it's definitely possible in totalitarian regimes like Russia, China and whatnot (not to mention North Korea, where I sometimes cannot even fathom this nightmare state actually exists)

This is precisely why you need to be cautious with privacy. Anybody can send you behind the bars if they know every little detail from your life, because you do break the law once in a while; and that's fine. We all do. Sometimes it's just human. What is not human, is to have a few companies watching everybody like Big Brother's big brother, and do what police is supposed to do more cunningly.

Andrew Tate, as you used it as an example, while horrendously disappointing to have him as youth's paradigm, wouldn't be inside the jail if he wasn't the most influential male of 2022.

You see the sentence that talks about pathological selfishness I quoted on your response is killing the society gradually and dulls the impression of having a growing economy in the society. For instance, a person who is not capable of doing a job is hired to do the job because his uncle is at the top of the company. He'll go and screw things up. It hurts, but humans careless about the impact of what we're doing to ourselves. On the contrary, moving forward to what "serveria" said; about digging up someone's wrong deeds and using it against them just for the sake of being a bitcoin developer is possible, but its restricted to developers whose hands are not clean. That means if the Government should conceal their intentions and execute such actions not every developer would be affected. That's the main reason people should clean up traces and stay clean.

But then the entire problem comes from a different direction.  You are used to already believing your freedom is under continuous threat and in the hands of certain people.  And it should not be that way.

Maybe we are too complacent in the situation and with the idea that a stranger who has never been proved to do something wrong is under attack and enclosed in a cage just because some body said so.  If every body cared more about their surroundings, some of the people you mentioned would not be allowed by the society to stay behind bars.  But society tends to be more and more narcissistic.  In our society it works like this.  I do not care if you got brutally murdered long as you did not look very hot, were not belonging to an influential family or were not part of my personal circle of family and friends.

It sucks.  Honestly.  We know some of the people above did not do or say something so wrong they deserve jail time, but we silently accept the situation as is.  We silently accept that if you say something and some body decides to take your words out of context, you can get jail time.  Sounds so F ed up!

Finally, at least the people you mention have done something they can build accusations on.  Becoming 'traitors' of the United States, sharing very controversial view points and other stuff that can easily be exacerbated and turned into a reason to kneel and accept your now awful fate.  What does a Bitcoin developer do so awfully wrong they can easily wrap their head around it and find a way to put them down on their knees?  Coding?  Owning a Bitcoin Wallet?  We are talking full time programmers versus people who were part of very sensitive sectors of the society and institutions.  It is not as easy to randomly put them down because they do not have as much public history as a public figure does and they do not own information they can be targeted for.

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PrivacyG

"Peter Schiff said so"

But anyway, banks refusing transactions is their problem, not an underlying fault in the cryptocurrency, because they are only blocking funds coming from an exchange (which ironically is also hacked by a bank). P2P trades can not be blocked because it looks like a normal send/receive money transaction.

As far as I know, most banks around the world still do not support cryptocurrency when it comes to conducting transactions from bitcoin or crypto to the bank, the number of banks open to bitcoin and cryptocurrency can be counted on the fingers.

Then how do you know that Bitcoin and ETH will have zero value by 2025? what is your basis? Your evidence must be strong on this matter.

No, no, no, no.

You cannot call something reliable or even efficient if it can only be used in one particular region.

How will this be any different from the fintech services that only allow users from the European Economic Area? It will not be a global service, but on the contrary, an exclusive one, just as all CDBCs ultimately are.

Well, there were Covid restrictions, now the war is going on - they didn't ask anyone if we would accept that. Democracy is a dream, it's a ghost - it doesn't exist. Hehe, now the most interesting part... certainly, they can't send every crypto user to jail but... they can do what they did to Assange, Snowden, Weinstein, Tate etc they'll dig up some unpleasant fact from your life, expose it, build their accusations based on that and then you're going to jail anyway. 

digital euro is just a eurosystem initiative, it is a common european project. it will allow us to ensure that money and payments remain reliable, safe and efficient in a rapidly changing digital environment.
thus a digital euro would essentially serve broader public goals, such as strengthening Europe's strategic autonomy and economic efficiency.
Reference : Christine Lagarde concluded

I didn't read that Christine Lagarde would write off money or maybe the news I read wasn't up to date.

Before any government could parade you then you must have done something that's incriminating and this case it's simple that the developers ain't doing anything that goes against or is inimical to the next neighbor.   For example; would the government go on to press charges or arraign a cooperate organization that's producing guns all because someone on the street use(bought) a gun developed by the company to murder somebody. I don't think so! So the issue of money laundering and terrorism is far fetched to be a problem from developers corner but rather a choice of users.
So I don't see reasons why crypto developers should hide for anonymity except the CBDC are nurturing an ulterior different from what you're making, perhaps to get ride of competition totally from the market.

I do believe first world western democracies could be able to come up with measures that may sound totalitarian in todays standards, but the countries you have listed offer less life quality than if you were to find yourself in a first world jail.

It doesn't actually mean that and I highly doubt that in near future governments will declare all crypto developers as supporters of terrorism and money laundering. Also, development is highly paid job all around the world and even if you have problems in your country because you were supporting the btc, I think you can easily move in different country where US and EU laws don't apply, countries like Iran, Russia, Belarus (probably), North Korea.

I think that anyone can feel safe from "some embassy" in the countries that I listed above, . Also, I believe that you can feel pretty safe in some other corrupt countries. And again, there is no way bitcoin supporters will be claimed as the supporters of terrorism and money laundering, I think that you panic a little there.

Too many people are using Cryptocurrencies today to get the general public to accept jail time for developers.  I think and hope at least.  If they get jail time, we are about to live a very dystopian world soon.  So either everyone revolts or we get to live the worst lives we could be living.  Our freedoms would be over with.

I really want to hope it is not as simple as 'they make it illegal and we go to jail'.  And I really hope you are not accepting this idea so easily that a change of law can retroactively turn you into a criminal.

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PrivacyG

Slightly irrelevant, but I can think of a reason or two why a developer like Satoshi would want to hide himself from the entire world, especially from the government. It doesn't have to do with decentralization, as I'm sure the governments know that targeting Satoshi isn't going to make a difference (maybe an extra FUD or two, but nah). One reason is that he may had thought it'd catch on, and revealing his identity would pose his physical integrity in real risk. Another reason is tax evasion.

Correct, but you forget that governments are good at adjusting the laws to fit their needs. So, something which is perfectly legal today may become illegal in a blink of an eye. Then you're going to jail. 

That is very true and is one of the fundamentals of law ever since the roman empire: "nulla poene sine lege praevia". If we however look at satoshi we can clearly know why it was a wise decision of him to stay anonymous and I guess ever developer should at least try. In any case the government will not have the capacity to come for every developer.

You would have to connect more conspiracy theories to reach his conclusion that Satoshi is dead.  But if they got Satoshi first, I'm pretty sure Satoshi would be tortured so they'd get his key.

Most countries are hiding thier dirt, China has more to hide but one thing that they don't do is meddle in the politics of other countries. If they make business with the US, they can also do business with Russia.

As for the known developers, only time will tell. But getting your dev teams to have an office in Hongkong, seem a neutral ground. Because China allows Hongkong to be a crypto hub.

Any evidence of them hiding news stories? I am sure that every government has hidden stories from the public that is why we have the freedom of information act which gets released after a certain time duration has passed.

Why would the government kill someone that does not have any effect on btc? They would have known that Btc is decentralized and does not rely on Satoshi. Bitcoin was already being developed by other developers by the time Satoshi disappeared and if this conspiracy theory was true those developers and the current developers would be under threat.

Dictatorship do make a difference.  As far as I know Chinese government is pushy on what they wanted to implement, and at the same time they are releasing fake news in order to hide what really is happening in their country.  It is either of the two but I think it is more on the first one why CBDC in China is showing a solid growth.


I also think that the government knows who Satoshi is and I am also one among the people who believe in a conspiracy theory that Satoshi is already dead killed by higher authority to stop or hinder the propagation of Bitcoin.  They maybe somehow successful in hindering but these authority failed miserably in stopping the propagation of Bitcoin.