Robbery that attacks Bitcoin Holders - page 2.

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Quote from: pooya87 on March 01, 2023, 04:10:53 AM

This is not just about bitcoin though, letting the world know you have "money" puts you in danger. Specially if you are carrying it around with you.

You mentioned he was a tourist, if you check the stats of robberies where they take the tourists money in different countries you'll realize this is not a new thing. There are even some cities in Europe (eg. Barcelona, Spain) where the average is a dozen robberies per hour (that's 2018 stats, it is much higher in 2023 due to worse economy situation). As you see these stats are not bitcoin related.

Right. The moment you disclose your privacy and let the world know that you have huge assets on your own, then you are giving permission to those people who have been planning to harm you. So you should not be surprise if later on, you're now in danger. Most specially for crypto that is stored in your smart phone, a lot of people would be eyeing to get it and own them. And in the case where you are in the place where robberies are rampant, then consider yourself as a future victim since you allow them to do this to you.

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It sounds like the people (criminals) who attacked him knew where and how to find him and how to steal his money. Had the villa owner not been so public about his money, as in bragging openly or flaunting his wealth, perhaps this may never have happened. I do hope that the guy gets his money back and that the criminals are served fair justice. Since there was another witness (wife) that can attest to the identity of the robbers, perhaps there will be justice, after all.

Lets see how this story plays out. Although for some reason, I feel like I have heard this story before. Perhaps it was just a similiar story to this one....

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Quote from: Ultegra134 on March 02, 2023, 11:43:01 AM

Whether this story is fake or not, it has been mentioned before that unnecessary bragging may pose such risks and render you a susceptible target. Of course, this doesn't only apply to cryptocurrencies but to money in general. There's no need to pose your money and success on social media; you're never exactly sure who might be watching you and how robbers are using them to track down people with wealth.

On the other hand, I don't understand how they accessed his wallet; what kind of support did they contact? Why was he using an online, centralized wallet?

The robbers have dig into it so they have set their plan first before taking the action. Sometimes, its only us that is making our life more complicated and eventually set ourselves into danger. If the blogger has been more cautious on the outcome of his posts, this thing might never happened to him. That is why as much as possible, we should not expose our assets publicly as it could only make our lives miserable. This might serve a lesson for all social media lovers out there.

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Quote from: Rikafip on March 01, 2023, 03:56:56 AM

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It looks like a fake robbery claiming if they were a policeman.

Just because someone wears a police uniform doesn't mean that he is policeman, and just because someone is policeman doesn't mean that he won't rob you. Just the other day a big group of scammers was arrested in Croatia that pretended to be police in order to trick elderly that were their main targets.

When it comes to money matters, you cannot expect to trust someone as it could only trigger robbery in the end, and eventually put your life into danger. That is why if you can keep your assets on your own, then do it and never make it a way to brag or inspire others just to attract audience. The victim could have end his life there and lost his life, but still be thankful that he survived from it.

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Quote from: mk4 on March 01, 2023, 03:57:31 AM

People frequently get too cocky with their investment sometimes — by unnecessarily flaunting their holdings to other people; or sometimes, even just by simply wearing a bitcoin/crypto-related t-shirt. Personally, I'd rather prefer that no one knows that I'm into crypto at all; just to be extra sure.

https://cryptosec.info/wrench-attack/

It’s still best to stay unrecognized and even low key to avoid such undesirable situations. Since the victim is a blogger, he must be known to everyone that he is into crypto maybe because that is also his content from his stories. Though it could attract people to get into crypto, it’s also a way of allowing them to harm you anytime and anywhere. So one should always be careful not to expose whatever assets you have as it can trigger robbery and scamming.

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Quote from: AakZaki on March 03, 2023, 03:22:19 PM

It was quite sad when the robbery occurred on the Indonesian island of Bali, and I, as an Indonesian citizen, also strongly condemned this incident.
The robbery may have been premeditated because the robbers knew the Russian had a lot of bitcoins. $284,000 is not a small amount and the bitcoin holder was too careless to publish that he owns a lot of bitcoins. moreover, he left his seed phrase on the smartphone. If you really want to go on vacation, you should be prepared with fiat money and you don't need to carry spare seed phrases to other places, especially places that are quite prone to robbery.
this can be an important lesson that quite a lot of bitcoin ownership will endanger the owner when people already know and will become the target of crime to seize these bitcoin assets.

He may have something to his blog articles about his bitcoin involvement as he is a blogger.
I am sure, these perpetrators have read his blog, the reason why they have idea about his bitcoin holdings.
If you don't want to be a target of any fraudster, better keep your crypto involvement within yourself.
There's no need for everyone to know that you are in this market. It is easier to safeguard your privacy if no one knows you are in this market.
Remember, anywhere you go, even if it is the safest place in the world, there will always be scammers or persons with evil minds.

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It was quite sad when the robbery occurred on the Indonesian island of Bali, and I, as an Indonesian citizen, also strongly condemned this incident.
The robbery may have been premeditated because the robbers knew the Russian had a lot of bitcoins. $284,000 is not a small amount and the bitcoin holder was too careless to publish that he owns a lot of bitcoins. moreover, he left his seed phrase on the smartphone. If you really want to go on vacation, you should be prepared with fiat money and you don't need to carry spare seed phrases to other places, especially places that are quite prone to robbery.
this can be an important lesson that quite a lot of bitcoin ownership will endanger the owner when people already know and will become the target of crime to seize these bitcoin assets.

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I am really sorry for that attack trust no body even the so called girlfriend can be a suspect because she know more about the boyfriend investment in crypto currency before the attack the robbers might have Carry out information about the victims wealth in bitcoin, secondly it can be a close friend of the victim who knew more about his investment an his wealth that he might have some discussion with about his investment in bitcoin the so called friend might have fill furiously about his wealth and plan to carry out that art against the victim the attack was a very bad one an am sorry for that attack.

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Quote from: qwertyup23 on March 03, 2023, 10:09:30 AM

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there is no detailed explanation of how the thief could find out that the tourist has bitcoins

It wasn't a rocket science really as this guy is crypto "entrepeneur" so it was safe to assume that has some crypto. Just another proof how dangerous is to let everyone know that you are into crypto and I am susprised that we are not seeing more $5 dollar wrench attack cases like this.

Maybe this is the same as someone who flaunts their wealth into the world- you have this hanging sword of Damocles at your back when this happens. Like what they say, if you have such wealth, you must also have the responsibility of ensuring and protecting your safety as anyone can definitely harass you, especially what happened to this guy.

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Then again, he might got what he deserves as he seems like a scammer that got robbed. Karma is a bitch.

I definitely agree. Though I do not want to glorify acts of violence, I do think that he got what he deserved especially that he is known to promise guaranteed profit to users. Sounds like he is organizing a ponzi-scheme where he defrauds people into his projects.

Whether it is cryptocurrency or fiat, such action is dangerous. It is like welcoming the bad guys or challenging them to charge at you. We will never know who has bad intentions until such thing happen. It is better be preventive and with wealth, being secretive would be a good thing to do. But most of the users are right; never blame the victim. If someone is bad, he will do things no matter how you try to hide something from them. Such thing for sure happens on a daily basis. In my country, there was a city wherein news related to this topic made noise last year but the offenders are people with authority. It was not officially broadcasted which somehow makes it sketchy but looking at possibility, such thing may really happen.

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Quote from: Rikafip on March 01, 2023, 03:50:11 AM

Quote from: macson on March 01, 2023, 03:33:00 AM

there is no detailed explanation of how the thief could find out that the tourist has bitcoins

It wasn't a rocket science really as this guy is crypto "entrepeneur" so it was safe to assume that has some crypto. Just another proof how dangerous is to let everyone know that you are into crypto and I am susprised that we are not seeing more $5 dollar wrench attack cases like this.

Maybe this is the same as someone who flaunts their wealth into the world- you have this hanging sword of Damocles at your back when this happens. Like what they say, if you have such wealth, you must also have the responsibility of ensuring and protecting your safety as anyone can definitely harass you, especially what happened to this guy.

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Then again, he might got what he deserves as he seems like a scammer that got robbed. Karma is a bitch.

I definitely agree. Though I do not want to glorify acts of violence, I do think that he got what he deserved especially that he is known to promise guaranteed profit to users. Sounds like he is organizing a ponzi-scheme where he defrauds people into his projects.

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I really feel sorry for the victim. Nobody deserves to be stolen from.
I think in present times that the world is going digitised, the bad boys are also upgrading. What I do personally to avoid this type of occurance is hiding all my financial wallets in my phone. I use Samsung and I know Redmi phones also allows you to hide some apps from the public, so people see the app you wants them to see in your phone.
Everyone should find a way to secure their assets jealously.

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Quote from: serjent05 on March 02, 2023, 05:24:41 PM

This is one of the reasons why I am hesitant to attend Bitcoin conventions and Bitcoin meet up. I don't even plan to attend a Bitcoin activity that is scheduled to happen in one of our country's tourist spots for fear of being exposed as a Bitcoin user even though I do not hold that much Bitcoin.

Sometimes people get the wrong impression that the person is rich because he holds Bitcoin and later gets targeted by bad guys.

same as what you think. I also have the same thought about this. I prefer to keep my privacy. but for family and friends sometimes we still can't cover up that we invest in bitcoin. especially if our friends and family also do the same thing. but attending meetings with foreigners and in other countries I think it's very risky. and I don't want that.

sometimes a crime appears not because there was an intention from the perpetrator from the start but it could be that the intention to commit a crime appears triggered by the emergence of an opportunity. so never let your guard down and we must remain vigilant. because sometimes evil can also arise from the people closest to us.

and for the case that happened to this Russian citizen, I think it could be that the perpetrator of the crime was someone who knew him. Or someone who's known him before. or it could also be that the victim has been targeted for a long time.

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Quote from: mk4 on March 01, 2023, 03:57:31 AM

People frequently get too cocky with their investment sometimes — by unnecessarily flaunting their holdings to other people; or sometimes, even just by simply wearing a bitcoin/crypto-related t-shirt. Personally, I'd rather prefer that no one knows that I'm into crypto at all; just to be extra sure.

https://cryptosec.info/wrench-attack/

I just read the article you posted here. All those advices are awesome and it even suggests to learn martial arts, which is true but I guess not a lot of people are going to do that.

Now there is one point of criticism regarding the article as in my opinion it is incomplete:

6. Become friends with Sean Kolasinac and never leave your house without him!

It is actually insane in which places and at what times of the day you have to take sufficient care of your security.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 01, 2023, 03:50:36 AM

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According to him, the attackers are an Indonesian in the form of a policeman, a man in a Balaklava, as well as two “two men of Caucasian appearance.”

It looks like a fake robbery claiming if they were a policeman.

Since the victim is a crypto blogger which is publicity if he is interested with crypto, it's not surprising if he get robbed. He make money by selling his privacy, so he must accept the risk what have he done.

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if you have already told other people the number of your bitcoins, you should make other reasons when people ask you about it again, crime can come from anyone and anywhere, so being suspicious is quite important.

It's not only limited by told other people of Bitcoin you hold, but other thing like: teaching someone about Bitcoin, wear a shirt or anything related with Bitcoin, submitting your KYC to online site, and installing many applications which can spy anything in your device.

I rather think the robbery was planned, it's not written on the forehead what possessions one has talk more of a possession which isn't physical, why didn't they request that he transfers from the bank instead of requesting for his Bitcoin??

It should serve as an eye-opener on who we relate vital informations to, no one should be trusted this days

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Quote from: PX-Z on March 02, 2023, 07:51:29 PM

I guess this will become more frequent and will be a part of task list of these criminals. This is why being in this space should be at least quiet about it also using temporary numbers and address when shopping is a must.

Since the victim is a blogger this could be the reason why criminals knew his/her information and yeah, this is unfortunate regardless if the victim e is a scammer himself or not.

if you are here in this market with significant amount of investments, you should be discreet with what you say to your social media accounts. since he is a blogger, more than likely, he mentioned about crypto investments and from that, he's the hot target of these scammers. this is why, if you really want privacy, better keep it to yourself about your crypto dealings. you don't need approval from other people about your crypto ventures.

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I guess this will become more frequent and will be a part of task list of these criminals. This is why being in this space should be at least quiet about it also using temporary numbers and address when shopping is a must.

Since the victim is a blogger this could be the reason why criminals knew his/her information and yeah, this is unfortunate regardless if the victim e is a scammer himself or not.

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Those who attacked him are probably aware that he is a holder and not just a holder, but he always carries it around with him wherever he goes, which is either his fault or the fault of an informant who told those that attacked him about the huge amount of crypto, but it's very unwise of him to be holding such a huge amount of crypto in his mobile while using a 3-signature wallet, which requires multiple levels of security before a transaction can be executed. If he is really a smuggler, then the thieves believe he will never report the crime to the police since he is not also clean.

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Quote from: macson on March 01, 2023, 03:33:00 AM

there is no detailed explanation of how the thief could find out that the tourist has bitcoins, however, bitcoin ownership cannot tell it to other people because it is very sensitive and can provoke crime.

I think that doesn't need further explanation, the article says his a blogger, entrepreneur, and investor? Well, that along explains why and how these criminals found out he has been storing Bitcoin.
I guess we are all aware that robbers may forcefully stole our Bitcoins in front of us and can get rid of the transactions to be tracked. So, in the light of this event, we are all warned again not to show your crypto assets publicly.

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I've heard of robberies and thieveries in the bitcoin world but I've never heard of one where the robber actively exploited the victim in person. This is just stupid for me but what appalls me the most is how lacking the authorities are in handling this situation. I do hope he gets his money back especially since tx details are given, perhaps he can even implore CEXs to freeze assets that would come from that address to ensure that they don't go elsewhere, but I doubt the victim had even thought of this. Nevertheless, I do hope the victim gets proper justice and the perpetrators get what they deserve.

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This is one of the reasons why I am hesitant to attend Bitcoin conventions and Bitcoin meet up. I don't even plan to attend a Bitcoin activity that is scheduled to happen in one of our country's tourist spots for fear of being exposed as a Bitcoin user even though I do not hold that much Bitcoin.

Sometimes people get the wrong impression that the person is rich because he holds Bitcoin and later gets targeted by bad guys.

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