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Topic: Roger Ver and Jon Matonis pushed aside now that Bitcoin is becoming mainstream - page 20. (Read 46558 times)

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I think we have to worry about people from within bitcoin that are extremely untrustworthy.

I agree, be sure to point one of those people out if you see one. I'll do the same.
legendary
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I don't think we have to worry about the regulators as much as people from within bitcoin destroying it with their own capitalist agendas or extremism to be honest.


I think we have to worry about people from within bitcoin that are extremely untrustworthy.
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The regulators may dislike what he says, but what about the millions that are trying to survive the regulations?

How about the millions of bitcoiners who don't want their police taken away from them and replaced with a society that the richest people only have police like Roger does? I don't think we have to worry about the regulators as much as people from within bitcoin destroying it with their own capitalist agendas or extremism to be honest. Let's hope it grows fast enough that none of this will matter.
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I'd just like to thank Roger Ver for the amazing things he's done for bitcoin and thus for the whole world! Smiley You are a true hero!

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The regulators may dislike what he says, but what about the millions that are trying to survive the regulations?
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I'd just like to thank Roger Ver for the amazing things he's done for bitcoin and thus for the whole world! Smiley You are a true hero!
legendary
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xD  With your permission, I will translate the text into Spanish for posting it on elbitcoin.org.

I'd be honored! Thank you.

I can assume you're the one that translated the "Bubble" article earlier? Please feel free to take anything from the site that would be of use.

Indeed. Thank you!
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Bitfloor was the shot across the bow.

What happened to Bitfloor? I thought they were *hacked*. What does that have to do with banksters and our evil reptilian government overlords?

Their bank account is being closed - something which has happened to exchanges so often in the past that they should have had a contingency plan.

Were they AML compliant? Did they register with FinCEN? Did they do anything that everyone else who runs an exchange has had to do or were they just winging it because "bitcoin is freedom maaan"?


Also what you said. Why would a high risk merchant have only a single account?
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Bitfloor was the shot across the bow.

What happened to Bitfloor? I thought they were *hacked*. What does that have to do with banksters and our evil reptilian government overlords?

Their bank account is being closed - something which has happened to exchanges so often in the past that they should have had a contingency plan.
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Also why do you have a google group, why not create a thread on the forum for this. I hate when people need secret meeting places to discuss bitcoins, this goes against an open community.

Bitcointalk to manage a team? Seriously. This group has been announced on bitcointalk before the group was actually created.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/press-center-on-the-website-looking-for-volunteers-156364
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Bitfloor was the shot across the bow.

What happened to Bitfloor? I thought they were *hacked*. What does that have to do with banksters and our evil reptilian government overlords?
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I have to agree, being known as a way to do tax evasion will not allow legal companies to do legal business.

Is that why there's no more cash? Wink

Just remember it is hard to get USD into bitcoins thru exchanges, if we are known for as a tax evasions tool, it would be so much harder. Then more people will give up at that part of bitcoin.
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Just remember it is hard to get USD into bitcoins thru exchanges, if we are known for as a tax evasions tool, it would be so much harder. Then more people will give up at that part of bitcoin.

Banks are already making it difficult. Bitfloor was the shot across the bow. Bitcoin is seen as a threat to the central banks because its continued existence undermines their reputation. There's no PR department in the world that can counter the storm of BS that's coming.
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You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

You have exactly zero room to say anything on the topics of honey and vinegar, Matthew.

Since no apology is forthcoming from you for your descent, or maybe ascent for you, into namecalling, I guess I have nothing left to say.

I'm not here to be pleasant to you Severian, I can't hold your hand during this discussion, you need to find the points and respond to them or ignore them completely.  You're presenting unpleasant cultism into this discussion, recommending that people endanger themselves for your ideals. What is unpleasant to me is being branded as a terrorist because I use Tor, just because some other dirtbag decided to use it for illegal purposes and then brag about it. This is why we can't have nice things. Stop dragging emotion into it, it's absolutely a logical argument. You're sitting beside a pack of wolves who doesn't notice you, you're claiming we should all shout out "HEY WOLVES, WE AREN'T AFRAID OF YOU" just because "bitcoin". Why not just kill them in their sleep and keep our mouths shut? Why not just walk around the pack completely and let them starve? Why advertise?
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You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.

You have exactly zero room to say anything on the topics of honey and vinegar, Matthew.

Since no apology is forthcoming from you for your descent, or maybe ascent for you, into namecalling, I guess I have nothing left to say.
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raving fanatics who have no concern for their fellow man

PM me. I'll invite you to my town for two days and you can post a public apology after your stay.

This is a serious offer. Put up or shut up.

If all you have left is namecalling, you ain't got shit.

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Afterall, don't like the US? Move. I did.

I was wondering why the property rates went up.

Having concern for your fellow man is a lot deeper than being able to borrow sugar. Telling everyone they should fight against paying taxes will end badly for everyone involved. If your belief is that Bitcoin is a way of doing that without even talking, why don't you just do it then without even talking?

It's like saying "drugs shouldn't be illegal!" so you go shoot up in front of a police station because "drugs were designed to make you free and everyone who will do drugs will love them for that reason". Yea, but why would you want to sit in front of the police station and invite violence, when you could just get the fuck out there, or better yet, join the police force and let people go on a regular basis who do it? You're not very clever or passionate about changing things if you think change is going to happen in your lifetime by just pissing governments off. History backs me up on this one. Bitcoin isn't going to cripple governments. Bullets in their brains might, or 200 more years of evolution.

You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar. Let the politicians know why bitcoin is good for them. Let the businesses know why it's good for them. Evolve society, then post your public apology when everything sorts itself out and you realize people like you were the reason it didn't happen sooner.

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People looking to make some money or a name for themselves like to dish out the fluffy stuff. That's all fine and dandy as we're all free to make a living as long as we don't engage in force or fraud.

But let's not labor under the untrue notion that Bitcoin "needs" a PR department.
Agreed.
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I have to agree, being known as a way to do tax evasion will not allow legal companies to do legal business.

Is that why there's no more cash? Wink
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Wanna know what sells Bitcoin to those in my life that come to me wanting to know about it? They can hide their money from banks and governments. That's what will sell Bitcoin to people, not the fluffy bullshit about "yes sir! so happy to be regulated" and "tax me, please!".
This is exactly the problem. If you want Bitcoin to succeed, you should be encouraging people to pay their taxes.
If all you care about is tax evasion, you are part of the problem.

I have to agree, being known as a way to do tax evasion will not allow legal companies to do legal business.

What, you mean like cash and Tide laundry detergent?
legendary
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Wanna know what sells Bitcoin to those in my life that come to me wanting to know about it? They can hide their money from banks and governments. That's what will sell Bitcoin to people, not the fluffy bullshit about "yes sir! so happy to be regulated" and "tax me, please!".
This is exactly the problem. If you want Bitcoin to succeed, you should be encouraging people to pay their taxes.
If all you care about is tax evasion, you are part of the problem.

I have to agree, being known as a way to do tax evasion will not allow legal companies to do legal business.
sr. member
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xD  With your permission, I will translate the text into Spanish for posting it on elbitcoin.org.

I'd be honored! Thank you.

I can assume you're the one that translated the "Bubble" article earlier? Please feel free to take anything from the site that would be of use.
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