Roger Ver has been compromised - page 9.

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Quote from: anonymoustroll420 on April 15, 2017, 12:29:40 PM

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080

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Only a node that is mining is a true full node. The rest are just slowing down the propagation of blocks between the real full nodes.

At this point, I am convinced Roger Ver is compromised and is posting absurd shit like this to tip us off.

How can a person be compromised? Roger Ver is the #1 bitcoin idiot, only famous for becoming rich as an early bitcoiner with his buddy "the first bitcoin felon". Are you forgetting Roger's rich past with idiocy and crime? I don't know if Roger is trying to talk about SPV mining here (he's proven that he knows close to nothing about bitcoin's technical side as he doesn't even know how to transact BTC) but if that's the case, here's some actual insight by someone that knows what he's talking about.

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Quote from: franky1 on April 15, 2017, 02:19:03 PM

Quote from: Tesorex on April 15, 2017, 02:13:07 PM

You could run 100 full nodes but still you'll need miners to confirm and include your transaction in blocks.
Nodes are agents of miners delivering them TXs and handing out their found blocks to rest of the network.

you could have a pool with a billion exahash, but if the block didnt follow the rules nodes have.. the block is rejected in 3 seconds.

its a symbiotic relationship of many elements

so you dont really agree with Ver, then?

I somewhat agree with you but its such an edge case that its almost irrelevant.

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Quote from: Tesorex on April 15, 2017, 02:13:07 PM

You could run 100 full nodes but still you'll need miners to confirm and include your transaction in blocks.
Nodes are agents of miners delivering them TXs and handing out their found blocks to rest of the network.

you could have a pool with a billion exahash, but if the block didnt follow the rules nodes have.. the block is rejected in 3 seconds.

its a symbiotic relationship of many elements

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Quote from: anonymoustroll420 on April 15, 2017, 12:29:40 PM

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080

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Only a node that is mining is a true full node. The rest are just slowing down the propagation of blocks between the real full nodes.

At this point, I am convinced Roger Ver is compromised and is posting absurd shit like this to tip us off.

the original Satoshi vision was that full nodes also mine. He is somewhat right in that theoretically a full node miner should prioritize propogation to other miners.
I think the main point is that we don't need thousands of thousands of nodes that don't mine and only relay, although it is good to have some non mining full
nodes to serve SPV users.

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You could run 100 full nodes but still you'll need miners to confirm and include your transaction in blocks.
Nodes are agents of miners delivering them TXs and handing out their found blocks to rest of the network.

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Quote from: mobnepal on April 15, 2017, 01:43:15 PM

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Only a node that is mining is a true full node. The rest are just slowing down the propagation of blocks between the real full nodes.

This doesn't make any sense Roll Eyes

Full node = all servers that have blockchain ledger
Isn't mining completely different than nodes?

yes
things like asics (miners) dont have any node function/hard drive they just hash a hash.

technically a full node is one that does everything, that means validates competitions blocks and makes its own .. like how things were in pre 2013

but since 2013 things have changed and the community have re-termed things..
an 'economic' validation nodes are ones users and businesses use (we socially call them full nodes)
there are the lite nodes like electrum / multibit which dont do much more then just create transactions.
pool nodes can be full(economic) or lite (spv)

now an economic node, a pool node and an asic miner are all separate entities which is good for decentralisation, but still ALL work symbiotically together and spread out to be more diverse and decentralised

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My interest in listening to his opinion on Bitcoin's fundamental matters hovers somewhere around the big, fat, oozing Zero mark. He should be learning his iron buns off to brush up on the real workings and then maybe his contributions will be valid.

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Quote from: https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080

Only a node that is mining is a true full node. The rest are just slowing down the propagation of blocks between the real full nodes.

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Quote from: tunctioncloud on April 15, 2017, 12:49:31 PM

I do not remember who is Roger Ver, wasn't he someone important here, in term of developpment at least ?

He's not a developer, just a lucky early adopter who owns like 100,000 Bitcoin and the domain Bitcoin.com. He has a lot of money but not a lot of brains, hard work or relevance except for his influence over the market. He always talks shit because he doesn't have anything to say for himself except that he has a lot of possessions and he's a "voluntaryist" (the anarcho-capitalist route is where a lot of rich people head, I wonder why).

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Only a node that is mining is a true full node. The rest are just slowing down the propagation of blocks between the real full nodes.

This doesn't make any sense Roll Eyes

Full node = all servers that have blockchain ledger
Isn't mining completely different than nodes?

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The devil is in the detail.

Where are the shills to defend their Bitcoin Jesus? This is one of the BU heroes.

Who still thinks BU (with its centralization) is a good idea Roll Eyes

Can't see how any reasonable Bitcoiner can support this trash Huh

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That's correct but when ASIC came to the play there was no need for every computer to run a full node and now you can have 10,000 TH/s and just running one full node, idea of Satoshi was like that, running nodes on weak systems slows down the network as they are not able to handle all the computations.
Anyways when you running a node/wallet it doesn't change anything other than slowing down the propagation, only miners should run full nodes and it's not like you could change protocol and have a vote in activating proposals.

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I'm not sure if he's idiot, troll, share FUD or simply want centralized bitcoin. Even regular bitcoiner have better knowledge about bitcoin than him.
If he seriously think full nodes that don't mine is burden, than at 2012 there's about more than 300,000 nodes that slowing down the propagation of blocks Roll Eyes

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Roger Ver is on record claming Mt Gox was totally fine, and trying to fake proof of his transactions not going throught when he was making some mistake, he is also not technologically versed as demonstrated in the anarchapulco podcast with tone valls, johnny from blockstream, etc. He has been pushing the BUcoin agenda for a while with all this garbage.

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He was always like this; A shit talking lucky fucktard. I still can't believe how the fuck he bought so many bitcoins and managed to hold them till now without dumping. Him being the early adopter and owning bitcoin.com are the only features with quality he has. If you check his personal website, he mentioned only those two. He has nothing else about himself to tell us.

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I do not remember who is Roger Ver, wasn't he someone important here, in term of developpment at least ? Or wasn't he the Bitcoin Unlimited guy ? In case this fool is him, you should not wait anything intelligent coming from him.

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Roger Ver wanting nodes to be centralized & easier to control what people should expect him to say.

Roger Ver is against bitcoin being decentralized.

Everything about him is the inverse opposite of what bitcoin was designed to be.

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Is he a member of this forum? I think he can say if he's been compromised or not.
What is his role in the game, anyway? I am not so well informed Cheesy

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Roger said unconfirmed tx is valid.

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Quote from: anonymoustroll420 on April 15, 2017, 12:29:40 PM

https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/853250894162350080

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Only a node that is mining is a true full node. The rest are just slowing down the propagation of blocks between the real full nodes.

At this point, I am convinced Roger Ver is compromised and is posting absurd shit like this to tip us off.

Mmm not sure, Roger Ver is known for not having very high understanding of the bitcoin technology, he has said a lot of nonsense in the past. I believe this is still him.
He was seen recently in several interviews. Or you mean he is coerced to say this nonsense?

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