Topic: Rollbit, This is my Final Message. (Read 1093 times)

I know I can't dictate anybody, as I said 'please' in every word. You can't dictate no one, and no one is entitled to do this, I know that.

For AHOY, I sincerely believe he is a good person; I can feel that, however would be better to see that side of him. I + your sayings about him. I am also a outspoken person like him as well (you have come to terms of it, I know)


I have read the history and I understand what you are saying; I don't want to tell bad words to a person that is probably grieving financial losses at the moment. I Don't want to comment on it since, I don't know if his accusation is valid or not; but I get the idea of what you mean. I approve his support on my case and his nice words to me , though.


I don't think it as a long-wall-of-text; I read every word you write to me, don't mix me with other people please.


You can do whatever you believe is the best way to do. I won't am not entitled to say anything about this. Thanks for asking it.

Whatever you find is respected.


Well said, but it wasn't seen like that from my side, thanks for giving detailed explanation about this.



Yes, thanks for your PM to him; even tough i don't have any details about it, I believe you have tried the best you could. About the past, I am sorry for my foul language and bad actions again.

I hope to hear from you again.

Tetaeridanus.

@AHOYBRAUSE,  [AHOYBRAUSE: HolyDarkness' Partner in Stake-Endorsed Scams] AKA [ Stake's Court Jester, Eddies Boot licker]

Your post is filled with assumptions and inaccuracies that seem designed more to provoke than to contribute meaningfully to this discussion. Let me address your points one by one:  

1. Gambling addict blackmailing casinos
   It's easy to throw around baseless accusations without any evidence. I’ve been transparent in raising issues with specific casinos, providing detailed documentation and proof of unethical practices like rigged games, misleading promotions, and illegal payment methods. This is not blackmail—it’s advocacy for fairness and justice. If you think standing up against exploitation is clownish, I’ll happily wear that badge.  

2. Forum is not the place to go for problems with casinos
   If this forum is “just a Bitcoin forum,” why does it have a scam accusation section? Isn't it to expose bad actors in the crypto and gambling space? Stake and other platforms are deeply intertwined with crypto, making this a highly relevant platform to raise awareness.  

3. Nobody here cares about it anymore
   It’s clear from the engagement and ongoing conversations that many people *do* care. Victims deserve a voice, and this forum gives them a chance to share their experiences. Silence and apathy only empower unethical operators.  

4. Self-implosion and hate speech
   While I can’t speak for others, I’ve consistently maintained a professional tone in my posts. Criticizing companies for their malpractices isn’t hate speech; it’s accountability. If anyone has crossed the line, that’s on them—not an excuse to discredit legitimate concerns.  

5. Sites focusing on mediation
   Mediation platforms can only do so much, especially when casinos operate in legal gray areas or outright ignore complaints. Public exposure is often the only way to force accountability.  

Instead of dismissing genuine grievances, I suggest you approach discussions with more empathy and less condescension. Victim-blaming only serves to protect unethical companies, and that's the real clownish behavior.  

You can't dictate someone to call you what and/or to treat you in a way that you much preferred. This is an open public forum, literally thousands of people with diversity of background, culture, behavior, preferences, and all that we can think or are probably appeared here.

Far as I know [that's me being low-key saying "I know to a great extent"] that AHOY is a great guy. He has a very strong principle. An amazing one, if I may add, as he's very outspoken... soooo outspoken that he doesn't bother to speak up about the casinos he's currently [in the past] wearing and at times, more than a dozen times, TBH, I had this urge to smack the back of his head with a pan or something else solid.

And reasonable one too.

I don't want to mudding the water, but I believe if you really really read the other people's post history, the other one that he's referring to, with an unbiased eyes, you would agree that he's a bit... interesting, in a sense that I'll leave to free interpretation.

Far as I can observe from a very long and frequent time my path brushed with AHOY, he's not one that will call names first unless the other side started it, or... the situation kinda warrant for it.

While we're at it, not trying to provoke you, but rather to give you a brain exercise and to urge you to learn to see things from several sides before jumping into conclusion, I deliberately snip your post in above fashion as that two parts of your post is related yet the exact opposite.

Won't you agree that if you feel annoyed and entitled to be pissed about AHOY calling you clown, then DaveF and owlcatz are also entitled to feel offended with that 0 IQ monkey and circus player? Especially as all they do is exercising their right to call a judgment over a situation.

Instead, I don't think they even bother.

Much like I ignored the baseless jabs and name-calling that other user repetitively called me across thread [I got notified whenever my name being mentioned].

Why? Because they're fully aware that this is an open forum, this is not an elementary school where telling the teacher that someone scolded you or called you funny names will earn that someone a slap in their wrist. This is the world, thick skin and partially deaf ear is needed.

Take that long-wall-of-text as you will, but that's a genuine benevolent advise, not an attempt to provoke or anything with negative connotation.


That's actually a genuine offer.

Do you want me to do as you previously asked and provide my honest opinion? Mind that [I am not sure how this next sentence can not be perceived as a threat, but rest assured that it is not, it's a simple fact] my opinion is currently locked inside Pandora's Box, a can of worm, spray-bomb money bag, or whichever analogy you prefer.

But no, I don't think anyone will judge you if you tell me to keep my opinion for myself. I don't think they could care less, since they haven't heard about it or have the slightest clue of what I have in mind. Why would they think less about you just because you asked for my opinion, I replied, "uhh... might not a good idea, you bumped your head last night with the juggling cone," and then you say, "shut your mouth."



Nope, TBH, IMHO, no one will get a wrong message of what I tried to convey other than you [the other --if I may borrow AHOY's word-- '"clown" aside, of course, as they're here to throw muds and stir pots and brew a witch concoction]. One of the easiest way to prove this is that none commented or jumping to same conclusion as you when you keep saying that I am threatening you. Maybe they have other reason, but I would like to think and believe that it's because they can see that it's more to "juggling ability" scenario than me threatening you.


What peace needs an offering?

Like I said here, much that what you said in the past annoyed me [I won't disclose what emergency I had during that time of silence, but I am sure I am entitled to taking myself out of the forum whenever I want or need], I have to have a thicker skin, a selectively deaf ear, and sudden-selective blindness to thrive on this forum where I try to bridge casinos and players, especially when the ruling are against the player's wish. Tantrum are almost always warranted.

I get over it, as long as no more jabs and name calling thrown, because though this skin is thick and this ear is deaf, things can get annoying when it happen during a rainy day [or perhaps I have to say a clear sky and scorching bright sun, since that's the weather that irritates me, I love rainy and cloudy day].

I believe me writing to Razer after they made their second ruling kinda gave it out? If that's not obvious enough?

Hey holydarkness,

I have nothing against you, and also support your mediating actions for this forum as you have said to AHOYBRAUSE.

Let me tell you about politeness; AHOYBRAUSE continues on calling me a "clown" in my thread, what about that?

Anyways,
This is definetely not my default setting, and I am going through a rough emotional time this last months. Thanks for understanding.

From your perspective, if I imagine we are buddies; yes, we are not; hope to be in future. However you do everything a buddy don't do.

You continue on with the "I will tell public if you want" sayings;

Which makes me under spotlight; to accept or not accept both are not ways to go.

If you want to watch and see, please do so. But please, don't continue on with these types of messages. I get them wrong, also many will; and I don't want to continue discussing off-topic for both you and my sake.

I hope you understand my peace offer.

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Also for the two people you are mentioning on DT; owlcatz is a circus player with that kind of proof for opposing and you know it, and DT should look for this matter.

I won't talk about DaveF because he seems to understand the whole situation wrongly, didn't even read (owlcatz also) that I already got compansated 800 USD for the site's mistake, and why I got it; but continued on blabbering nonesense. I don't think this two oppositions are valid; a 0 IQ monkey would also see this. Don't try to think much.

Warm regards.

Tetaeridanus.

ineedhelpplease, thank you for the kind words.

AHOYBRAUSE, if I may argue about this forum is not the place to go when someone encountered a problem with a casino, to an extent, yes, it is correct, when cases got complicated and sensitive information is needed to be provided to validate the findings and rulings, yes, the forum is severely limited at it and is far inferior to ADR bodies.

But, if I may give my opinion for small cases, like a pending withdrawal, or a [legit case] of inability to perform KYC due to some...thing on the casino's KYC page, I think this forum serves its purpose better, in sense of faster resolution and response. Granted, CG and AG can "enforce" the rep to reply within certain time frame [one week, extended to another one week, and probably another extension of one week if the mediator deemed fit], while a reply here is a bit hit or miss.

Over time though, I managed to establish connections with staffs of casinos in a direct contact, which make reaching them for a resolution [again, IMHO] far faster than if we get it to CG.

Thus, my default suggestion and approach to cases is to try to deescalate it first by having them tried here, see if we can get the rep to give their side and/or get the situation resolved. And when that failed, we move it to the higher authority.

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[Another long inhale and even longer exhale]

I can't believe I have to spell it out to you. But, let's do it.

This is the exact part of the post being referenced,


Perhaps at this mental state [no offense] you perceive everything as an attack, or perhaps that's just your default setting. But try to see it with a different glasses, for a second?

You asked for my opinion about your flag and the entire sub-topic surrounding it. In other words, the case itself. I, with reference to the older post where I say I --summarized-- know this board and its past cases like the back of my hand told you as above, that you don't want me to write in public.

That is not --at least not intended to be as-- a threat, that's a friendly gesture of declining to pitch in, in order to not necessarily stir the pot, as reflected in the part where I wrote, "this is me waiting and see, with a splash of that "OP's shoes and Rollbit's glasses".

Imagine it like this, we're two buddies where I know a thing or two about you. We're in a party, or in a street, or in whatever setting you preferred to be, where a group of people's attention are shifted towards you, and you asked me to tell them, publicly, what I think of your juggling ability. Knowing one or two things about that juggling ability and what my opinion will bring to the public, I said, "oh, trust me, you don't want me to give my opinion about that".

That is a threat... how?

Though, to further clarify the snippet, "the cat is actually already out of the bag", as one or two attentive people actually already mentioned their opinion about the topic.

Is that understandable? And is that still perceived as a threat? And, most importantly, do you still want me to tell the public what I think? Because, you see, I initially shied away from it because I don't want to stir the pot, for your sake. But it seems it make things worse as it spin differently in your head. So, if you still really want to know my opinion, just holler, and I'll give my best to explain what I think about this case in details, to help us all get over it.

Hello AHOYBRAUSE,

I respect your opinion on me,

How about you also give your opinion about the clowns who try derailing my topic?

For sure, I will answer them; I am no idiot to get framed and stay silent.

Holydarkness openly threats me, you stay silent; but a ‘disgusting’ word is offensive?

I have apologized to him, but you seem to not forget about that situation.

What an objective man you are.

We have many clowns under the thread, but not one of them is me.

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Edit = nothing changes the fact I had a solid case against rollbit and it was dodged thanks to the well explained (s) opposition of two Default Imbeciles.

Because both these people are clowns. One guy is a gambling addict that has nothing else to do than blackmailing one casino after the other in this forum and the other (even though he had a solid case against rollbit) has driven into hate speech because he didn't get the help he thought he was entitled to. Then he insulted Holy personally which then withdrew from his case, easy as that and totally understandable
Simple case of self implosion. If he kept his composure, Holy would have done more, be he didn't. Now he is only hating and spamming, making several threads that nobody here cares about anymore because he showed his true face.

If you have a problem with a casino this forum is NOT the place to go to. There are sites on focussing on mediation between players and sites, this is just a bitcoin forum that also has a scam section. Some people don't understand that unfortunately.

I don't mean to go off topic but I don't understand any of the hate against Holydarkness and some of it is like laughable.

The whole idea of him being some sort of "casino puppet master" seems like some sort of conspiracy meme.

Going off my past experience the dude helped explain my situation and I was able to understand it fully from Rollbit's perspective because of him. Everything was absolutely straightforward with our previous interactions and he also PMed Razer to help with the situation, which is all great and he was also trying to help recover the money I lost from FTX after the Rollbit situation was over. (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/rollbit-has-literally-has-thrown-my-money-away-sending-it-to-an-ftx-address-5471380) If you read the thread it doesn't feel like anything bad that was claimed here, other than the whole "You didn't read TOS" which I do not even see bad. This is true and TOS should always be looked at, especially when you're trusting other people/businesses. Unfortunately in my case, I lost whats around $20K today because of my own fault. It was horrible back then but at some point (In this case it was very quickly for me) I did realize it was my fault, and Rollbit had to act what seemed very irresponsible to most people who are unfamiliar with how these gambling sites worked purely for legal reasons. Holydarkness has far more experience with them than we do and we shouldn't hate on the man for speaking the truth about our situations.

Nothing was "dodged"

I wasn't being "mocked"

And like in most situations it would be the players' faults.

There's a whole lot more I can say but truly it doesn't make sense. I fail to understand how he mocks people or whatever accusations are like that and I highly doubt he's being paid by the casinos for these posts defending them. He is only being honest, and eventually you're gonna have to be a man and accept defeat. Eventually, you're literally going to have to accept that you've lost the case, even if it is painful to you. At least we get to learn from it. And I'm 100% sure that if he sees a gambling company in the wrong then he will call them out in a respectful manner, which I can bet has happened before. I can only see him being "paid by casinos" if he's in a signature campaign, which anyone with a high rank can apply to those.

Hello @tetaeridanus,

I must say, your calm and composed approach speaks volumes about your character. It’s admirable to see someone like you maintain dignity and thoughtfulness even in the face of adversity. I genuinely value your perspective here.

However, there’s a crucial difference between grieving victims seeking justice and individuals like HolyDarkness, who hide behind a facade of neutrality while actively undermining those they should be supporting. A fake identity, as you rightly point out, does more harm than good in conversations like these.

People like HolyDarkness thrive on evasion and misdirection, wearing masks of reason to cover the trail of their biased agendas. Exposing such behavior isn’t about insults; it’s about ensuring transparency and integrity. The truth is the ultimate equalizer, and it must be brought to light for the sake of everyone seeking fairness.

If nothing else, let this thread stand as a testament to the resilience of victims and the courage of those who refuse to let deception prevail. Thank you for grounding this discussion with your insight—your presence here adds meaning to the fight for accountability.

Hello @kingbj21 ,

I value your opinion on the matter, however please let’s try to not derail the topic here.

Personal direct messaging just derails this topic, and the threatening grammar from holydarkness tempered me; however no need for insults please.

I, as a grieving victim talker warmly; and got sarcasm as response.

No need to say anything about this matter; but no insults please.

Warm regards.

"HolyDarkness: The Casino Puppet Master with Zero Strings Attached to Reality"  

Ladies and gentlemen, let’s take a moment to admire the sheer audacity of HolyDarkness, a guy so committed to his casino-pimping lifestyle that he’s turned gaslighting victims into an art form.  



 Holy Lies, Batman!  

“I’m drafting on mobile,” he says, like we’re gullible enough to believe this nonsense.  

1. Writing essays on mobile?  
   - Do you have the fingers of a pianist and the stamina of a marathon runner? No one churns out 2,000-word essays on a tiny screen without making it look like a kindergarten ransom note.  
   - Post your draft timestamps, show us your mobile drafts in progress, or quit this charade. You’re not multitasking on-the-go; you’re parked somewhere drafting in Word like the amateur spin doctor you are.  

2. Are you even a gambler?  
   - How much have YOU wagered? Because we’re tired of your lectures about casino practices when your real-life gambling experience is probably limited to flipping Monopoly money.  
   - If you’ve never wagered your hard-earned cash and faced losses due to rigged systems, then shut your pie hole. You have ZERO authority to mock victims.  



 The Anatomy of a Hypocrite  

HolyDarkness doesn’t just fail to advocate for victims; he actively ridicules them. He wears the mask of reason while wielding a dagger to the backs of anyone seeking accountability.  

- “I’m neutral.”  
   - Neutrality is a myth when you’re constantly siding with casinos and finding ways to invalidate complaints. If neutrality is your badge, your uniform’s long overdue for a recall.  

- "I’m waiting for proof."  
   - Proof? You can’t even prove your own arguments! You evade questions, twist narratives, and drown threads in pseudo-intellectual garbage.  



 Casino Trivia: Let’s School the “Expert”  

1. What’s the exact house edge of American roulette?  
   - It’s 5.26%, by the way, in case your mobile fingers can’t Google fast enough.  
2. How do provably fair algorithms ensure transparency in crypto casinos?  
   - Spoiler alert: they don’t fully guarantee fairness, and the loopholes are wide enough to drive a truck through.  
3. Define variance in gambling terms.  
   - Don’t know? Then how are you qualified to even speak about gambling at all?  



 Blow-by-Blow Breakdown of His Hypocrisy  

1. Mocking Victims:  
   - You treat every legitimate grievance like a joke while propping up casino narratives.  
   - Your condescending tone doesn’t intimidate—it just highlights your lack of empathy and makes you look like a paid clown.  

2. Dodging Accountability:  
   - You throw around big words and vague ideas, yet when cornered, you duck behind generic platitudes. Answer the questions or sit down.  

3. Blaming the Players:  
   - “They didn’t read the terms.” Neither did you, apparently, considering how often you parrot incomplete casino policies.  



 Unmasking the Puppet Master  

Question for HolyDarkness:  

- How much are the casinos paying you? Is it per post or per victim gaslit?  
- When will you stop hiding behind your fake neutrality and admit you’re nothing but a glorified casino shill?  

If you think you’re untouchable, think again. Your verbose nonsense isn’t intellectual; it’s cowardice wrapped in thesaurus vomit.  



 Endgame  

You’re not a protector of truth, you’re an enabler of fraud. Your elaborate essays and dismissive replies are just tools to suppress the voices of victims. You’re not here to resolve conflicts—you’re here to ensure the house always wins.  



HolyDarkness, you’re done. Your mask is shattered, your lies are exposed, and your credibility is non-existent. If you can’t even defend yourself without spinning in circles, then get off the stage.  

This thread deserves clarity and justice—not your casino-approved garbage.

I have not seen any intention of people who are trying to help here when some people tried to de-rail my topic. I am always at fault right? How can I respect someone who opposes just because he can? Doing so with evidence is different, without evidence and doing it just because he can.

I am sorry if my behavior disintrested you in following my topic.

However, unlike holydarkness; like he said, I am the one who is get thrown punches here.

And for your question, 14z4rus is a real life aquitance of mine; not me. Who came for support. Just like many of you have here..

I don’t understand; who are you talking about? This is my first and only account.

I am ready to escrow any amount to anyone who can prove me otherwise.

If you are accusing such allegations (not you), prove it. I am telling this to blantant liars.

Man, first you need to catch your breath and calm down a bit. You are making a circus out of this here, and you have turned "your final message" into a thread of 40+ final messages.
You are asking here for the others to explain why they support or use your flag, and if you don't like some of the explanations, you start with insults and provocations. Your approach turns even those who had the intention of helping you to become disinterested in your case.

p.s. Is this your first and only account on this forum (not counting 14z4rus, which is obvious), I have seen your writing style before, but not by good reputation.

Is this what you get after you apologize to a man?

Is this how you should be talking to a person who feels victimized?

I don’t think so.

If you really wanted the best of both worlds, you could pm when instead of threating me that if you go public; I wouldn’t want that.

Seems like you don’t put yourself in my shoes. If you did, you would know how wrong this sentence is, and offending.

You already knew I was gonna reaction to this, so why are you giving hints for me to temper up?

What is your motive?

I am asking seriously.

To make me look like a clown? Or turning me in to a circus show?

I am in desperate times, and I cannot fathom how your words have angered me.

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No one is waiting to throw jabs at you, however sentences like ‘you don’t want me to write in public’ or ‘cat is out of the bag’ can be seen as offensive to any individual. I pick my words carefully, however you do not seem so. This behaviour of you is very very wrong. Especially in a paragraph where you are talking to someone else as well.

Does ‘cat is out of the bag’ means 2 losers DTs oppose my flag? Go ahead and join them. Will show your decision making.

So you and a few individual are smarter than all the people who answered to my thread? Because, yes; cat is out of the bag, and that cat is the reality of a thief casino owner and puppets on payroll.

If that is so, and if you are so sure that I am %100 gulity; who ahead and join those 2 DTs, what’s stopping you? Splatter dishonesty on your resume. Go ahead.

What type of language is this? This is not how someone who voluntarily do mediating at this forum should talk like. This is not a high school gossip forum. I am accusing a casino for stealing 50.000 usd; and you are talking in a very foul language like we are both ex boyfriends of a cheerleader.

The only disrespectful person is you here, not me.

As I said on my reply that you quoted, I believe I've make my view of this case extremely clear. Feel free to revisit our entire conversation as I am not in the mood to write another wall of text that I've already written several times.

About DT, I've also explained this to you. He's entitled to his opinion. If he think your flag deserve an opposition, then frankly, he's entitled to oppose it, just like people are entitled to support the flag with each of their own reasoning.

IF the DTs think owlcatz abuses his DT power, they will extensively discussing it and take action for it. So my advise [again] is to leave that be out of your concern for the time being. I believe you're well understand that you can't force one's will and opinion to others? Well, more or less, that's what applied here.


Simple. That person above us believe I continuously shifting blames to players [semantics applied here], so instead of throwing tantrum and writing offensive sentences, I do what adult do: challenge him of his statements.

I believe we all can see and understand and agree that the point he tried to say is that I am taking Rollbit's side and shift the blame to you, so there, instead of arguing with empty words and name-calling, I take action in line with how this board works: evidence. I provide an evidence as a rebuttal that disputed his claim that I have a recurring pattern of shifting blame to users.

Broken down, it's a question of how exactly I shifted blame to users [and inferred, taking side of the casinos, not trying to get platform on a "higher standard"] while I go to a length that I barely do to other casinos to get this player something.

While we're at it, Blossom15, I am being serious here, I am waiting for those explanation and list. This is not me exfoliating my skin so it is not as thick as it used to be, or cleaning my ears that it is not as selectively-deaf as it was in the past, nor washing my eyes so the partial blindness eased considerably.

This is being tired of parrying and taking jabs and reminding people that at a public forum, free speech does not equal to freedom of consequences. So, Blossom15, own your words and prove your statements.


Refer to paragraph 14 of this post [that's the one with "One, that is my..."], plus, Razer actually has not been online since I wrote that PM [last online as per when this post was made is 17th Dec], so there are a very huge chance he has not read that message.


Refer to the post about "DT politics" and what I wrote above about owlcatz.


At this point? Trust me, you don't want me to write in public on what I think about this. Paragraph 20 of the same post I linked above would have a relation to this.

Some might argue that this is me abusing my DT power by "being silent" and not pointing the obvious [though the cat is actually already out of the bag] or perhaps a chance to question my judgment capability. But I'll argue that this is me waiting and see, with a splash of that "OP's shoes and Rollbit's glasses".


I will boldly assume you're referring to the status on my list.

On that case, no, as I said, that thread is not authoritarian, I will be waiting for the final verdict by DTs vote by 31st January and use that as the verdict of your case.

If the flag is active, then I'll mark it as "unresolved". On the contrary, if the flag remains inactive, then I'll take the exhaustive step we've taken [you contacting support, me having Razer to get it retried without other dept. past decision influencing the outcome, me PMing him for a middle way] is a conclusion that the case is indeed a no-case. Thus, resolved.

in case you're not familiar with it, as you raised a type-3 flag, you'll need 3 DT supporting the flag than the ones opposing it, and currently you're at -1, as there is 1 DT supporting and 2 DT opposing [1-2=-1], means you'll at least need 4 more DTs support [1-=4=3=active], unless the opposing DT retract their opposition.


So that is my answer. Either it's warm or cold or harsh, I leave you to decide. I am hoping that the effort I take [it took me about an hour, TBH] to make this post does not meet with the same series of jabs you gave me in the past, as I don't want to regret my decision on onca again dipping my toe on this case.

To make it easy for you;

Let's see; what a nice opposition reasoning from DT member owlcatz:


This guy is a paid alt account who didn't even read the topic and tries derailing; Fixelifix;


And let's see; a guy named DaveF from DT calls the website scummy but still opposed the flag:



Any reccurence? I see reccurance of bullsh*ting by these people. And let's see the 4th opposer;

Micha3elM, LOL.

A worker of Rollbit.com, which is known since his account's birth.

So this accusation will be closed based on these fools?

I am waiting for your warm reply holydarkness.

This writings are nothing personal to you, but my outburst of this situation.

Tell me, if I am getting the response I deserve here.

Best regards.

Tetaeridanus.

Holydarkness,

While I was writing my reply to you,

 I saw that you posted a reply to this thread and I wanted to answer this;

[...]
As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...

[...]
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I have numerously times thanked for your gesture about this, why did this topic came here?

While you quoted it, I may ask; if Razer still didn't reply, do you think this is a apporpriate action accordingly?

We can see that only 2 DT's opposed the flag to this day with both unjustified evidence, unlike all the evidence I have shown.

You can also count the people that replied to that thread, and majority seems like saying I deserve compansation.

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What do you think about this? It is important for me.

Thanks in advance.

Tetaeridanus.

Hello holydarkness, what do you mean as guilty?

Did you see the DT owlcatz reasoning for opposition?

Isn't abuse of DT or power banned in this forum?

What am I quilty for, If I may ask? Asking for my redemption?

Thanks.

Then the exact same percentage is the number of Rollbit's guilt.

I've explained it in what I believe more than extensive. I am not interested to repeat my long explanation of "wearing OP's shoes and seeing through Rollbit's glasses". I'll suggest you to re-read all of OP's thread and his interaction with me if you can't see why I think the exact same percentage is the number of Rollbit's guilt.


Fortunately, I am not an arbiter. Is that fact lost to you somehow? But yes, I am focusing on having the platforms on this forum to a better [not necessarily higher] standard, that's why I diligently chasing them to get things resolved.


Oh? A recurring pattern? Of me "shifting blame onto users who may not have been fully aware of the risks"? Dare I assume, as you write on this thread, that you consider OP's case is also one of that recurring pattern?

Let's suppose for a second that I consistently shifting blame to users [with OP's case included], it's rather interesting, is it not, that as someone who tries to blame the users instead of attempting a better situation and resolution, I seemingly go to an extensive length to get a middle way by keep on nagging Razer?


Now, as a rebuttal from me, do you mind to do us all a favor and show this concrete proof of me having this recurring pattern of shifting blame? Like you, I am hoping for a genuine answer, but unlike the text that followed, I insist on the answer instead of having you choose to respond or not, as I perceive your words as a libel.

So, certainly, to make it a fact instead of libel, it will be extremely wise to provide evidences to support the statement.

That’s easy, 0%.

As an arbiter, shouldn’t you also focus on holding these platforms to higher standards instead of consistently shifting blame onto users who may not have been fully aware of the risks? This seems to be a recurring pattern, and I’m not just referring to this case.

Anyways, I was hoping for a genuine answer and wasn’t setting a trap or whatever. You can choose to respond or not.

As I think I've made my opinion about this case very clear, by an --IMO-- exhaustively long and repetitive explanation, I somehow think that instead of a real curiosity and a query for my stance for this case, the question is more to fish or stir something. So, I'll try a different approach to answer to your question:

By what percentage would you say OP is guilty?

So, if not 100%, by what percentage would you say they’re guilty?

Hello holydarkness,

I didn’t post it since it’s a private message and as I value privacy same as you do. Just wanted to post as an answer.

Okay holydarkness, thanks for your insight about the situation. I didn’t know (that’s my bad) how DT people work and take actions. Sorry if I have been too offensive about this. Am in a rough time these days.

I see altough, flag is supported ; at least the majority thinks I should be compansated, while not supporting the flag which I respect it.

Everything aside,

I guess still no explanation from Razer? Correct?

Thanks for taking your time holydarkness.

Regards.

Nope, that'll be a bad idea. Private message are meant to be that: private. Don't share a PM without the sender's consent. It'll put you on a very uhh... interesting situation if that sender happen to be someone... with a lot of time to spare.

The point of my message was just that, at the bottom of my post, that it shouldn't be your main focus, that DT has their own politics and "tribunal". Inferred,  people are allowed to support or oppose without having to explain themselves all and each of the time they voted. If they show repetitive questionable calls, other DTs will jump in. Leave that be.

Hello holydarkness,

Thanks for your detailed answer; he actually messaged me why he supported. If you want I can send you info.

This is why I was expecting an explanation, however your explanation enlightened my knowledge about DT members. I seriously didn’t know many things you have said accordingly.

Here is the image he sent me explanation;



Regards.

Edit: Also, many almost all of the supporters gave their reasoning for support. Just to note, not trying to discuss.

These interesting drama aside, allow me to make it a bit more understandable why there is a very low traction on the support/opposition of the flag [with my reason being a different case as I've explained about me abstaining], and that horseradish situation, of why "everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform".
 
If I may broaden the term "flagging" here into "taking action" instead of the literal "flag", then factually speaking, no. We've been placing negative tags to casinos every now and then when there were a worrisome length of silence that led us to believe the casino will not reply and dealing with them poses a monetary risk. In fact, Rollbit had some in the past. BC. TrustDice. I believe many casinos did had their fair share of being tagged by DTs in the past. I think I can pull some history of posts stating that DTs tagging Rollbit in the past for their inaction, if that's necessary.

Narrowing it down to "flag" in literal term, flags are seen as a more complex and drastic measures of the forum. To take action to a flag, the voters affirm to a set of facts provided in the narrative to be true. My guess, the reason not many DT support or oppose it is because they're more or less in the same position where I stood, that they're wearing OP's shoes and Rollbit's glasses.

They understand both sides, thus opposing or supporting is not ideal. I believe examplen's explanation covered what majority of what the overseers think that contributes to the low traction of the flag.

So yeah, not exactly a horseradish, simply doing the usual heavy call and fair judgment that's need to be exercised by DTs. Lest we abuse our power.

Taking it a bit further, OP, If I may brush a little bit about explanation, in other thread, where owlcatz's opposition without explanation received such response,



shouldn't you also inquired Lachrymose's support? As it's also without explanation.

Why an opposition require such scrutinization while support left unaddressed? If someone [a DT, since if we talk outside DTs, then the list of people who need to explain themselves grew larger] need to explain to you why they oppose your flag, wouldn't it only fair if you also asked for the reason why people support it?

The point I am trying to convey about DT's explanation here is that to leave it alone. DT has their own politics that's a headache by itself. You don't need to trouble yourself with why a DT support this flag or oppose the other flag. Being in DT bear a heavy burden of being in the spotlight and being scrutinized on each and every of their action.

If the fellow DTs think a DT support or oppose without a valid reason, or keep showing a poor judgment capability, that DT will quite likely being questioned. With or without you demanding a specific DT to explain themselves.

I am not condemning you for inquiring owlcatz, just... want to let you know that it might be a thing that shouldn't be on your focus... in excessive way.

The holydarkness at least went to lenghts to help OP, the AHOYBRAUSE however did nothing but try to shame OP and derail the topic.  OP and I have messaged a bit on his mental wellbeing, I know more in how shitty his life situation is and he apologized for his harsh behavior at the front. Do you know what does men do, accept apologies and move on.  Seems like you don’t want to contniue the topic. However as ahoybrause supported op in the front of the thread,  i cannot see anything but to try to oppose him now. Which seems suspiciuous imho.

Merited by holydarkness (2) for someone confronting that he is from a banned region. I will leave the rest to yourself.

AHOYBRAUSE

What do you mean by your final text?OP apologized and you still shame his ask for hilarious.  What is hilarious is you try every way to change this topic.

Hilarious =

- you clearly oppose rollbit but don’t vote
- you lack humanity to degree to mock someone’s grieving
- you mock op while not commenting on holydarkness’ threat to op
- you give behavior advice while acting like child
- you are clearly holydarkness’ friend but seem like you are not


Btw,   I dont see where op mocks holydarkness in your quoted reply; he is just sorry no one cares about him.

Grow a pair, man up; and act like a man, not a child.

What behavior are you talking about here? A situation does not change because of a user’s actions. You either believe it’s a scam or not. The behavior which is wrong here is only you and your language.

What is hilarious is the lack of personal respect and dignity left around here. Which you can comment on as hilarious not my grieving.

I do not deserve the attitude you are giving towards me, you will face serious consequences if you satire about someones grieving face to face in real life. I think you are old enough to know that.

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Let’s make the whole case about my attitude against holydarkness right? Continue de-railing the topic that how I got scammed and want my compansation. How old are you people, I guess you are on the young spectrum; if not, good luck in your life.

I apologized to holydarkness, and I don’t see any other bad attitude but my attitude against him at start. Big men apologize, big men accept sincere apologies.

Why don’t you act or reply on holydarkness’ final reply against me, even after I apologized. I am talking about you here. If you are so demanding on attitude, why don’t you comment on his behavior here;


Answer this.

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To you,

Either a accusation is correct or not; you either support it or oppose it. If a behavior of an individual (your bestie) changes your view on an accusation, good luck in life. I don’t wish the very well for you as you laughed on my mother’s death.

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I have achieved so much in life and went through 2 bankruptcies at young age, I have seen the worst of the people. But I haven’t seen people as cheap as here.

You cannot tell someone who is expecting condolonces ‘hilarious’.

I wasn’t expecting Razer to be flagged by a member account, I am not an imbecile. His paid guys would save him, just like it will happen in this case.

Good luck in real life with this behavior. Because you will need it.

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So sad, what happened to Satoshi’s forum.

You should leave holydarkness out of this, as I have told you before. He is basically the only person in this forum that actively uses his own time to help people with casino disputes.
When you complained about him for no reason at all (I have read all of it) he no longer was interested in your case, and I totally understand that. Now blaming him for not getting condolences is straight up hilarious.

Sure your situation with rollbit is really bad, I am also not a fan of this site. But the behavior you showed in this forum is really bad, that's why you are getting no support. Let that sink in for a minute.

Well, I have seen it and replied to it.

To your adresses;

- I didn’t talk bad in chat or support; they can send proof here, I will send them 2000$.

- I will respect people who are genuine, I won’t respect people who act lower leveled people at forum like dogs.

- I have a long history with crypto and its people, probably longer than most of these DTs, and sadly know that people are not genuine and looking for their pockets.

- When I opened that flag, I knew I would get no support; everyone is scared of flagging people who have high power in this platform; I call these people horseradish.

- I know that Razer is not man enough to own up and pay for his mistakes. This will not go anywhere.

- My writings to holydarkness were because of frustration of my state of mind.

- I have multiple times said, I lost my mother during this accusation ; got no condolances from these people incl. holydarkness.

- I know who is genuine or not from now on.

- Won’t be in this forum in the near future, think about me like dead.

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I already moved on with my losses, but for over a year, up until now I had walked away with a false sense of respect for Razer as a person. I actually respected the dude. That's what I do not like. I don't like being fooled like that in the slightest and I hope he stops putting up such a bullshit illusion about him caring for the community that he manages (If the paycheck was removed, he wouldn't be there, or at most use it as part of his portfolio to go to another gambling casino which will pay him).

I can't speak much on what happened to your situation either but I glanced at your original thread, (AND UNDER THE ASSUMPTION THAT YOU WERE NOT BEING DISRESPECTFUL TO THE TEAM IN THE ROLLBIT CHAT) I don't understand why they just muted you permanently like that for asking. As a casual person, The internet is a place with twisted stories as proven here time and time again. For that reason I can't really be for certain about the situation there if there was anything missing and etc. (Not accusing you, just saying in general) It is up to you to be honest and respectful, I understand the anger entirely though but try to not represent it. I hope the Rollbit mods remove that unfair mute if that is the case.

And I'm glad you seem to be improving, by apologizing to Holydarkness. He helped me with my situation when I was new with all this and he is a great person in this community and I'm glad to see him around to this day.

All I can really do for your case is hope for the best. I did see that one of the DT members have opposed your flag and I see that he has actually spent the time to try and look into your situation. Try to reason with him with good points while being polite. Don't make the same mistake of being disrespectful like many people on this forum. If there is no ending where you both can mutually agree then still respect the fact they spent some time trying to side with you.
(https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64884527)

Did holydarkness reach out about this topic OP? I want to know if rollbit solve this incident I am a big RLB holder and Rollbot, if razer dont pay; this is a bad news for your holders.

Hello; Merry Christmas man!

I am sorry about your situation with Razer and Rollbit. I don’t know the details of your case enough to comment on it, so all I can say is I am sorry about what you have gone through. (I imagine you lost some significant amount of money)

Your description of Razer seems correct to my view.

Sadly it seems like he doesn’t own up to his sites mistakes, and giving the amount of money at stake; they are trying to dodge this case with zero evidence and back up which a monkey can even decide on it.

Very sad that things have turned out this way.

Seems like people are refraining from opposing Razer; which seems off.

If I was a legendary or hero member on DT, this case would have got 20 Support from DTs. This shows how trustworthy this forum’s DT circle is.

Thanks for your support.

I used to be apart of Rollbit's awesome community since late 2021, (Inac for 1 year but still). Unfortunately Razer is a soulless corporate piece of shit. I had many amazing friends, and I contributed and provided a ton of great value to the Rollbit community, even some of their staff which I watched them grow from when they were normal community members were saddened about me being banned from their site.

I'm not going to argue or discuss my case regarding the money I lost from Rollbit (It was all gained legitimately, none of the shenanigans like the usual case that gets posted here on the forums) as I believe that in his defense it is fair, no hate to Razer for that. It's just the fact that he literally has no feelings, or true "Care" regarding Rollbit as a platform nor its community members while he always consistently pretends to. It's like a "facade". I don't support or trust people who are like that and I'm definitely not going to continue supporting someone like him. I really did highly respect the man and thought Razer truly cared about the people. At the end of the day, he seems to only care about the $ that he's earning.

Because of him just seemingly ignoring everything, I'm barred from all the people that considered me a friend or noted me in the community. I truly miss all the amazing people that made the Rollbit community what it is. Rollbit is still a great site regardless, I don't hate or have any distaste for the Rollbit website and community as a whole and if I had a "second chance" I would definitely return. But up until now I've never spoken harshly of Razer, it's been a year and a couple months now so.

I'm sorry you went through such a loss and hopefully by some miracle you get your money back. I've supported your flag.

Merry christmas BTW

Hello thanks for your detailed answer Holydarkness, I will reply to your reply point by point.


For your 1 - Everyone is entitled to do whatever they want right? Just like you freely decided to watch and see my topic. I also wanted and will praise whoever supports me on my case because someone supporting you without any benefit (hard to find in internet and especially in places like this.) and helps you raise your voice deserves praising; even tough I don't believe this is the right word for it. I am waiting for you to show a person that has given doubt on me until now excluding our conversation between in this thread.

For your 2 - I have lived so much and endured so much pain in my life that I know nothing revolves around me. If it seemed like that, I am sorry for my actions. However, nice comparison with eridanus .


And... I respect that, I gave example as you since you ignored my threads with no answer.


You are right on the tantrum and jabs which is a wrongdoing on my end; which I apologize.  However this does not change the fact of my case? I did say wrong things, I repeat; but you should put yourself in my shoes. Understand why I am angry at this situation and feeling ignored. Results with me throwing "jabs".

On your writing to Razer, I thank you for at least trying again; and I can't thank enough, considering you don't like me and still are trying to help when you are not entitled to do so. I appreciate you for going to this length with Rollbit, for someone like me, as you say. Thanks for it.



I respect your choice to not interact furtherly.


Where did I say, "Holydarkness you must support or oppose" ? You are, was and will be free to do whatever you want. I did not outburst in any topic relating to this. My outburst was on you not answering anything suddenly. Which seemed like the case was over. That is what I am and was angry at. You can pick to be neutral on this case and any other case; but please don't invalidate a case because you don't like the accuser.


I respect your opinion and this is the first time you reply anything about my flag.


I don't like this last paragraph, and won't reply in the same writing manner. I don't like it because it's offensive. However, as I also did write offensive stuff; kudos. However with this type of writing we will go no where but engage in back and forth accusations. Mind you that I mentioned your name many times for you to answer my thread and stop ignoring me. I got my answers today and won't use your name again, not because of your final paragraph but because I am a smart individual, unlike you believe. Won't engage in discussions with no meaning.  I know I was at wrong in the writing style but this is wrong as well.

Thanks for your answer holydarkness; and I will be waiting for hopefully a miracle.

Thanks for your interest in helping me.

Regards.

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For last words to the readers;

I respect everyone's decision to support or oppose as I already opened a topic named this for asking for help to activate that flag. You can see the title as "Support or Oppose" ; not "Support". However I will not accept people who try to derail, I repeat DERAIL not "OPPOSE" my accusation which will start to happen occasionally by paid accounts. This message is not to holydarkness but to people I just started to see today. I respect everyone's opinion.

As of today, I still stand by my every word against Rollbit and the elaborate scam done against my behalf. I also don't believe this is a solved case with this type of bulls2it reply mail they have sent to me; giving me past 5 trades as examples that I wouldn't stopped the trade when it was going down; sadly a site which gives trading as an option lacks professional enough employees who don't know these:

Hhhhh...

Let's make things clear, because apparently [and surprisingly] I am tired of being mentioned again and again, used as a punching bag you use to vent up your frustration, painted as... well, those not-so-nice-words about me, and apparently became one of the focal point of this series of threads of yours due to my silence... in your yet-another vent up, where it seems [from what can be inferred from those post where my name being mentioned] it was my fault that this situation did not get resolved, because I remove myself from your case.

My silence and me removing myself from your case does not translate as me closing my eyes. Like other case where I even put the user on ignore, I still periodically read his posts in order to be sure I am updated, so I can reflect it to my list accordingly. That list is my duty to this forum, and I take it with all that entails.

Specifically speaking about your case, I completely remove myself after that... joyful word you "praised" me, is not just because it offend me. I have to have a thicker skin, selectively deaf ear, and sudden-random blindness to certain offensive and anger-venting posts if I want to keep contributing to this board, since people throw so many nasty words to me when the resolution did not go into their favor. So yeah, as much as it annoyed me, I got over it... mostly.

The more major reason I kept my silence is because I noticed that you have two tendencies:

1. You'll praise [over-praise, if I may speak freely] people who take your side, and when they shifted their "alliance" or give a doubt of you, you'll [I can only describe it as] throw tantrum at them. I believe it's safe to say I am a very good living proof and case on point. I can give you another perfect example if you want, just from the top of my head.

Not trying to patronize you here, nor it related to your case, a mere two cents from me; stop. You're a grown man. That attitude [merriam-webster have a good word to perfectly describe this thing, but I'll refrain from using it] will bring you nowhere, at least here, in the world called reality.

2. Hovering. Or whatever terms that fits the description better where one think the world revolves around him, so things should be done and people should bid their time for that person.

I won't pretend I know how old you are, I somehow have a feeling that you're several years above me, regardless of the behavior you show us. What I know is that you need a reality check: we, a species called homo sapiens, or human, in common terms, and all of the animals and the plants, live in a round rock with gravitational force that keep its populants from flying freely in space. That rock, called Earth, revolves around one of the star in Milky Way system called Sun. In Eridanus term, we revolve around Theta Eridani, the star. Not the other way round, and definitely Eridanus did not revolve around one specific being.

That two factors lead me to think that the best approach for your case is to wait and see.

As I mentioned on the earlier paragraph, though, it does not translate as me closing my eyes. I simply wait [and ignore all of the jabs you throw at me] for Rollbit compliance team's conclusion. After that...



What I wrote [it's a very long message] should not concern you, nor be known. What I'll let you know, though, is that far as I remember, I've never go to that length with Rollbit [there is a big chance I remember wrongly, though] for someone. Especially one that... well, did what you done.

I'll also let you know three other things:

One, that is my last attempt for you. Regardless of what Razer said, or if he didn't respond at all, that's it and that's all. I will do no more thing, I will go back to my silence, and I will simply observe. No other action at all. I've done what I can. Don't ask for more.

Two, I will not support or oppose the flag. It does not translates as I supporting Rollbit or thinking you're wrong here. If that concept seems alien to you, we don't live in the world of black and white, a yes and a no. There are grays and maybes. We don't support, we don't oppose. We simply abstained. Me personally, because --as I repetitively say-- I can understand both sides. I've walk in your shoes and see through their glasses.

Whatever outburst you'll have after reading that paragraphs above, about it means I am supporting Rollbit , feel free to do it. Watch for your blood pressure, though.

Supporting your flag would betray my belief that Rollbit are not 100% guilty here, and opposing your flag would betray my belief that you were in tight position [ignoring the preventive measures you can actually do]. In other words, taking any action to the flag you raised will be an abuse of my DT power.

Feel free to twist my abstaining into "supporting" rollbit because I somehoe can understand them with "no proof", or other words you can freely recycle from your past posts, that "those who stay silence" or "close their eyes" or whatever that is you wrote in the past to justify your view that anyone that is not in your side and/or stays silence is the bad actors. I can't and will not keep you from saying whatever you want [well, with one exception as written on the point number 3 below].

Three, I would really advise you that this is the last time you write my name in your case with a wording that put a shade that I am in Rollbit's side and their supporter. Perhaps it'll be better if you stopped mentioning my name at all. Lest you meet the other side of me [the username I choose actually has a "philosophical" nature in it, go figure] that will explain in details to the forum why this case should not be a case at all because factually and contractually you are not and should not be eligible for anything.

Might be wise to remind you that I roam this board every day, and I have a very strong memory, and when it failed to help me, I also have a notebook with full handwritten key-facts about cases I oversee.

Thanks for the solid brief for people viewing.

Thanks for your words and support!

Hey! I have posted this 2 days ago;



Haven’t got anyone supporting or opposition from DT about this matter. I hope I will raise my voice with my supporters. Thanks for standing by the truth and supporting my flag!

I supported your flag. Please go to this thread and ask DT members to support your flag https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153445.500
Also, do not forget to refer them to your scam accusation thread and this thread. Also, try to explain a little bit in short why you created it and how they scammed you. Just because they have been here for a long time and have a solid reputation does not mean they can get away by doing anything. They seem careless every time. People use to do not support flag because the casino always had benefit of doubt because the player always does not tell the whole story. You explained your case well and it's a not a case or rules violation or pending withdrawal.

Hello, thanks for your reply; and helping me raise my voice against this scam. I would appreciate your support, I already opened a flag against razer; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356. If you believe you opening will garner more attention, go ahead; it would be awesome.

I know that many people have seen this matter, incl. @holydarkness who went silent which is also DT.

If you can help me share this to DT, it would be God’s Gift!

I have no words to say anymore about these people; after the reply from rollbit, which is utter bullshit.

If this topic does not get resolved, this will show how scam accusations are nonesense in this matter and If you don’t know one or two people; you are wasting time here.

Thanks for your support❤️

In defense, rollbit said that they pinned a notification on their website chat so users get notified. I don't think every player like to chat or pay attention to what happening in the chat. So, how your traders are going to know about your maintenance if you do not inform them via email? If OP creates a flag against them, I am going to support it even though my feedback or support does not matter much since I am not in the DT network. Rollbit should apologize for the inconvenience and they should credit the loss to the users, or they should receive negative feedback from the DT network.

I am going to step forward and tag them first.

I am not going anywhere rollbit.com and I am not giving up. You are scammers and I will ashame you to the whole crypto world. You blantantly scammed me, this is a fucking scam!

Hello, thanks for chiming in; Rollbit Razer needs to be seen for what he is. The only way for this is supporting the flag or giving negative trust. I am requesting for support if you believe I am right to ask for compansation; and they are wrong to reject it. Thanks!:)

If I may ask.
Why the hell would someone decide to trade on a gambling platform?
At the same time, the scam accusation section is full of complaints about their work. Earlier I marked Rollbit Razer as neutral with a tendency to be negative feedback just because of poor support, it seems that few people read such warnings.

sorry, but is this the topic here? this casino is utter trash.

You are already self excluded 1 year ago?  
Why do they let you create new accounts?

https://se.casino.guru/rollbit-casino-spelaren-begarde-aterbetalning-av-sina

They think like that because they are Gods to an average forum member here, @tetaeridanus has clear proof,i have read everything written in accusation and flag thread. Rollbit has zero repeat zero reason to not compansate tetaeridanis but they clearly dodged this event; we should support this, even if he not around here anymore. Support means a lot in these situations, unlike the paid douches.

Flag Supported.

This is very sad, and as long people don't dare to speak up against such behavior it will continue, online casinos think they stand above the law and are gods.
People choose to look the other way because they get like $50 a week from them, its awful and disgusting. Regarding this case its one of the sickest and craziest stories I ever heard regarding an online casino and I using them a lot but only for sports betting and lucky for me I never had a issue so far.
But this take the top prize of them all as regarding greed and awful behavior.
Shocking how people actually can choose to support these gangsters for this coffee money, wheres the moral?? For $50 bucks....
People have no moral and selling their souls for nothing these days.

Flag supported.

Before leaving;

Here is the flag I made for Razer and Rollbit; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356

Thanks to everyone who supported me and let my voice out.

Remember;

“ Only revealed injustice can be answered; for man to do anything intelligent he has to know what's actually going on. ” - Julian Assagne

With love.

Agreed,

They should at least notify users with open positions or provide something that will protect user positions especially that their trading platform is focus on risky trading(leverage trading) while they do an unplanned maintenance.

I don’t follow this case but at least they should compensate the user that affected by their service disruption.

I looked at many casino threads but this is the worst case I have seen. This is pure ignorance looks like shatshow from the start . Why dont this Razer come and make explanation? I hope tetaeridanus you are okay , we all have bad times,  but I cant imagine losing this amount of money in such a barbaric way.  Rollbit’s answers have zero proof whatsoever, seems like the forum didn’t see this case. . A sad ending what seems like a good guy.

I have seen your previous thread before and after reading all the replies, I should say that, if you cannot be too professional, you should not run a website that is supposed to be too professional. I don't remember seeing any trading websites or exchanges go offline with a notification on the website just ten minutes before. I consider them as a casino. But since they are also a trading platform where thousands of traders also trade, they should send email notifications to their users about their scheduled maintenance. Moreover, they should stop accepting new positions at least 30 minutes before they go for maintenance. The team has to be more professional.

My 2 cents.

First and foremost, I want to emphasize that your well-being is far more important than any financial loss. Please take a moment to breathe and consider reaching out to someone you trust, family, friends, or a mental health professional, to talk through your feelings. There are people who care about you and want to help.

Regarding the situation with Rollbit, their arguments are indeed nonsensical and show a lack of accountability. Cherry-picking the OP’s past trades to paint a narrative about how they manage risk is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. Each trade is influenced by unique market conditions, strategies, and timing. The core fact remains -  the platform's maintenance left the OP unable to manage their positions, directly contributing to their loss.

This is Rollbit's failure, and they should be held accountable for it.

To other users: leave this platform immediately. This case demonstrates that Rollbit prioritizes dodging responsibility over providing a reliable trading environment. When things go wrong, you’ll be met with deflection and dismissal. Trading is extremely difficult, then when you add this type of nonsense, you will always lose.

A word is enough for the wise.

This is my final message in this forum, and the world.

The other thread has became a journal for my waiting; so I decided to open a new one with new updates.

This is a big warning to all the big amount traders using Rollbit.com platform or gamblers who put big money in the platform with trusting them.

I have tried eveything, waited patiently with nice words; however the lack of customer care and owning up has made me go insane.

All of the Rollbit.com users should see this; how I got scammed, and how they got away with it.

This is the accusation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5520613

After reading, please support or oppose my flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3356

This is the following mail from Rollbit.com;



1-While you mention that there was a site notification and a pinned message in the chat prior to the maintenance, I must emphasize that the timing of this maintenance was poorly executed. The fact that it occurred just minutes after I opened a significant position in a highly volatile market is concerning. Scheduled maintenance should ideally be communicated well in advance, particularly for a platform dealing with high-stakes trading where users rely on immediate access to manage their positions effectively. The world's most idiot person even won't open this position if they have seen your so called maintenance alert, you liars.

2- The assertion that the maintenance had little effect on the overall outcome of my position does not take into account the nature of leveraged trading, where even minor fluctuations can lead to significant financial consequences. My position was left unmanageable during a critical time when the market was experiencing substantial volatility. The inability to access my account during this time directly contributed to my financial loss. I had no opportunity to mitigate my risk or adjust my position in response to the market conditions.

3- You indicated that I did not close my position or manage it during the downturn. However, I was effectively locked out of the trading platform during a pivotal moment, which is not a situation any trader should find themselves in. Even if I had a stop loss in place, the critical window of opportunity to adjust my strategy was taken away from me due to the platform's downtime. This lack of access is unacceptable for users engaging in high-leverage trading.

4- I understand from your response that you reviewed my trading history, including other positions where stop losses were used and not used. It is essential to recognize that each trade is a unique decision based on the market conditions and personal risk management strategies at that time. The fact that I have utilized stop losses in other trades demonstrates my awareness and intent to manage risk; however, the unforeseen maintenance during a volatile market negated my ability to do so in this instance. You have also not described, when I have put stop-losses; at the start or accordingly (for example the stop losses I put while I am on green or manual stops.). You only handpicked and found (sarcasm) 5-6 trades out of 165 that fits your agenda and shoved them at my face for proof. You idiots.

5- I believe it is reasonable to request a reimbursement or compensation for the losses incurred due to the maintenance incident. While I understand that not every loss can be reimbursed, the circumstances surrounding this particular event were exceptional, and a fair resolution should reflect that. As you mentioned, other users who were liquidated during this event received compensation; I believe my situation warrants similar consideration given the constraints imposed by the maintenance.

I have Anyone who went silent and not supported my case is a part of this bullshit.

I am leaving this forum and world from now on.

I had too much to pay and these thiefs went on and wrote me this nonesense. Like it makes a difference about the situation or anything.


There was no notification on site until maybe 2-3 minutes left. Didn't see a notification on mobile. As I said at 97,239; I was already down 36000 USD. Go tell this nonesense to a monkey. Why did you compansate all the people who got liquidated then? These are worthless piece of information.


Why do you even talk about the price after the accident? This also would happen to all the longs you compansated because they got liquidated during the maintenance. These are invalid points. You are trying to de-rail the situation which is not fine.


So you say that my other 159 trades all went on with profit? A 5 IQ monkey wouldn't believe it; but I know some of the users will also believe this. And you made comments according to 6 trades? Nice, professional. Well done, Razer and thiefs.


Any of these trades have zero importance on the situation, hence the number of them you could hand pick out of 165. AND, you cannot assume something in how you want to see it and call it a evidence. These are not evidence, these are just past trades and have zero effect on the situation. I was thinking about closing when I turned to minus. I have many trades which were closed in +5 +10 -5 -10 dollars at the entry price manually. You didn't show them as evidence? Why, I know why. You are scammer filths. You not only fucked up my life but also as of now; have stolen 45000 USD from me.

Thanks to a few people who were supporting me till the end.

Razer, you are a big thief. You are such a big thief that you have no remorse, and with a few puppets you have here; you managed to dodge this situation.

You have done this on the week of my mother's death, which will hunt me forever. Don't worry, I will be your shadow.

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I have zero belief in humanity and have seen that you can buy people for 60 USD a week.  I have zero belief that this will go to anywhere.

So, FUCK YOU, Rollbit Razer. Also your silent puppets as well.

This is a message to all Rollbit.com users, leave this platform immedieatly. This is the mail you get after they steal 45.000 USD from you, mind you this account is down 200-200.500 USD already. Also don't come to this platform to rant, this is what you get.

I couldn’t defend my rights, I hope in the future these scums will pay for their actions.
However, I have decided not to see it; can’t take it no more.
So, Goodbye Bitcointalk.