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legendary
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The text I underlined in red raised some concern in me. I hope I'm wrong, but the way I perceive it from their reply, they made some kind of "snapshot" of the balance during petition date, and what's claimable was what's recorded during that date, and thus your "deposit", which happens later than the snapshot, was not recorded.

The sentence I marked in blue, though, might offers something. Have you made an account on their portal and see if there's any claimable balance there? Given your fund on the NFT company's address was moved, maybe --just maybe-- it's recorded and claimable.

Hopefully the red isn't an issue or else that would be scary. I'm slowly getting over the loss but would greatly help at this time if they could get it back. I tried making an account a few weeks ago but it says "Use your FTX credentials and the same MFA as you did before." meaning only the company is available to do this and check to see if there is any claimable balance.

So I suppose now, the next best thing to do is to tell the company about this, with the image you've showed and hope for the bets?

Umm... yeah, I guess there is no harm in that, if you can ask them to spare a few minutes to create an account and see what's behind the "sign-up wall". I assume, from their email, it'll at least give us an idea if there's any fund recoverable, thus, answers your worries.
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The text I underlined in red raised some concern in me. I hope I'm wrong, but the way I perceive it from their reply, they made some kind of "snapshot" of the balance during petition date, and what's claimable was what's recorded during that date, and thus your "deposit", which happens later than the snapshot, was not recorded.

The sentence I marked in blue, though, might offers something. Have you made an account on their portal and see if there's any claimable balance there? Given your fund on the NFT company's address was moved, maybe --just maybe-- it's recorded and claimable.

Hopefully the red isn't an issue or else that would be scary. I'm slowly getting over the loss but would greatly help at this time if they could get it back. I tried making an account a few weeks ago but it says "Use your FTX credentials and the same MFA as you did before." meaning only the company is available to do this and check to see if there is any claimable balance.

So I suppose now, the next best thing to do is to tell the company about this, with the image you've showed and hope for the bets?
legendary
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The text I underlined in red raised some concern in me. I hope I'm wrong, but the way I perceive it from their reply, they made some kind of "snapshot" of the balance during petition date, and what's claimable was what's recorded during that date, and thus your "deposit", which happens later than the snapshot, was not recorded.

The sentence I marked in blue, though, might offers something. Have you made an account on their portal and see if there's any claimable balance there? Given your fund on the NFT company's address was moved, maybe --just maybe-- it's recorded and claimable.
legendary
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...I never told him to send it there, we had no discussion about where my Rollbit funds would be sent to, and considering it was over a year since the deposit he should’ve talked to me before doing this. Why did this not at least happen? ...

As I understand it, your money was sent to the address that you specified in Rollbot during registration. And the fact that you did not change the address in a timely manner is only your fault, since the payment was sent to you in a timely manner using the details specified in your personal account.

That is pretty much established, OP acknowledged that he's in this situation due to his poor decision too. As Rollbit already done their duty and did nothing wrong here, nor can do anything about it, what we're trying to do [and what's left to do] is pursuing the FTX address and [if possible] recover the fund
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...I never told him to send it there, we had no discussion about where my Rollbit funds would be sent to, and considering it was over a year since the deposit he should’ve talked to me before doing this. Why did this not at least happen? ...

As I understand it, your money was sent to the address that you specified in Rollbot during registration. And the fact that you did not change the address in a timely manner is only your fault, since the payment was sent to you in a timely manner using the details specified in your personal account.

The first address where I deposited / withdrew was my address which I still own to this day. The same wallet I still use years later. They sent it to the address that deposited most recently, including money that wasn’t deposited from that address.

Unfortunately I can’t just change it. I should’ve just done this earlier yeah
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...I never told him to send it there, we had no discussion about where my Rollbit funds would be sent to, and considering it was over a year since the deposit he should’ve talked to me before doing this. Why did this not at least happen? ...

As I understand it, your money was sent to the address that you specified in Rollbot during registration. And the fact that you did not change the address in a timely manner is only your fault, since the payment was sent to you in a timely manner using the details specified in your personal account.
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I've heard both that it's "easier" to get my money back since it was from after the crash but I also heard people say that its not gonna happen. I'm not sure what but I hope something can be done

Have you got any email reply from them? If they replied, you can probably ask them what to do on this situation. If they haven't reply you, have you tried their other email address? Which one did you use to send them an email? [email protected]? Try these that's listed on their portal for claiming:

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meanwhile, what's the development from the NFT company? Have they give you a legal power to control that wallet or something that might help you gain access to that fund?

Unfortunately, no reply from [email protected] - I actually tried to find more but couldn't just a little while ago. I'm surprised these emails even exist. Really amazing how you found them

I didn't know those emails existed.  I'll try to email [email protected] and [email protected] and post here if there's a response

Thanks again, I really hope they respond this time.


Also, I've posted what happened with the company above. They said that they highly doubt I could get it back since this happened after the FTX collapse but no response since. I suppose if I keep asking and show that there's hope maybe they could.
legendary
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I've heard both that it's "easier" to get my money back since it was from after the crash but I also heard people say that its not gonna happen. I'm not sure what but I hope something can be done

Have you got any email reply from them? If they replied, you can probably ask them what to do on this situation. If they haven't reply you, have you tried their other email address? Which one did you use to send them an email? [email protected]? Try these that's listed on their portal for claiming:

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meanwhile, what's the development from the NFT company? Have they give you a legal power to control that wallet or something that might help you gain access to that fund?
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I click on the address where its sent to and it looks like starting Yesterday and Today, a bunch of money is just being mass sent to this one address, including my money
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3KUHpUCxaaJAsR5DQYB5rPYK8xwQprcZC9

is this something related to giving back the money from FTX victims? What's happening?

The money Rollbit sent was already confirmed and is now being transferred out. The outgoing transaction is being sent to a wallet used for consolidating recent deposits sent to FTX. There aren't any other clues as to the wallet's purpose because there is no other activity besides these consolidations.

The FTX claims website indicates that customers are only entitled to their balance prior to November 11, 2022. Since it is after the claim deadline and your lost funds were sent to FTX after the specified date it's not looking too favorable but perhaps the custodial service you used could amend their claim or submit a new one to try and get back those funds.

I've heard both that it's "easier" to get my money back since it was from after the crash but I also heard people say that its not gonna happen. I'm not sure what but I hope something can be done
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I click on the address where its sent to and it looks like starting Yesterday and Today, a bunch of money is just being mass sent to this one address, including my money
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3KUHpUCxaaJAsR5DQYB5rPYK8xwQprcZC9

is this something related to giving back the money from FTX victims? What's happening?

The money Rollbit sent was already confirmed and is now being transferred out. The outgoing transaction is being sent to a wallet used for consolidating recent deposits sent to FTX. There aren't any other clues as to the wallet's purpose because there is no other activity besides these consolidations.

The FTX claims website indicates that customers are only entitled to their balance prior to November 11, 2022. Since it is after the claim deadline and your lost funds were sent to FTX after the specified date it's not looking too favorable but perhaps the custodial service you used could amend their claim or submit a new one to try and get back those funds.
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Thank you, they now realize that claims.ftx.com is a legitimate website but they seem to be saying that there is no hope because it was after the crash, so they highly doubt it. I appreciate the help here. I am no expert at any of this its literally the first time ive had an issue with crypto after years of using it



Guys what the fuck? the money moved.
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/33FVJ3A8FEEmbwCLgYbbZw6zFzyNon4NnD

Do I even have a chance anymore



Sorry for all the double posts this is actually scary wtf


I've went through it a little and it was apparently done yesterday, but its still pending

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1129161965839855688/1173762036266717224/image.png?ex=65652214&is=6552ad14&hm=cf8c00f0b4f8681aeb2baf30865c3e6aa653613855d09e6ecf7e61cb189f951e&

Since its pending, do I still have a chance?

I click on the transaction hash of the transaction
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/13b8c1a93bd5b15d272c1d654e7c0379661647f3326dc86a702ffbda793c7beb

and this was like, the same transaction where rollbit gave me my money back. I'm confused..

I click on the address where its sent to and it looks like starting Yesterday and Today, a bunch of money is just being mass sent to this one address, including my money
https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3KUHpUCxaaJAsR5DQYB5rPYK8xwQprcZC9

is this something related to giving back the money from FTX victims? What's happening?
legendary
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Little Update:

I've shown them and talked to them about the suggestion you've provided and I got a response


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Could we double check, or confirm that claims.ftx.com is a legitimate website for them? I've been also trying to get ahold of a FTX Prosecutor on LinkedIn but no response so far as well. Any other people I should contact for advice or help?

Thank you again

That is your conversation with the NFT company?  From a quick google search, yes, they're real and legitimate.

[All of the links on this post are deliberately not shortened and displayed in full so you can easily copy and paste them] FTX's account on twitter gave this link as below,



and that same portal will refer you to this article, https://restructuring.ra.kroll.com/FTX/EPOC-Index, stating,



There are several published article referring to that portal. You probably can ask them to read these articles, or ask them to take a quick DD themselves so they can be more assured for the legitimacy of the portal.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ftx-debtors-launch-online-claims-portal-for-customers-301877136.html
https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/crypto/if-you-lost-money-when-crypto-exchange-ftx-went-bankrupt-you-have-a-few-weeks-left-to-make-a-claim/
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Little Update:

I've shown them and talked to them about the suggestion you've provided and I got a response

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1076932907307909201/1172622195239948298/image.png?ex=6560fc85&is=654e8785&hm=1e7a7d23db8cc71de2bb7294b3e899dc790fcb3c95e01f03f646292209e13910&

Could we double check, or confirm that claims.ftx.com is a legitimate website for them? I've been also trying to get ahold of a FTX Prosecutor on LinkedIn but no response so far as well. Any other people I should contact for advice or help?

Thank you again
legendary
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Is there like any way I could claim the money without having to go through the company? They've ignored my message for over a week now  Cry I've sent [email protected] a message but no response in some time too. Unfortunately I can't use claims.ftx.com without the company's help since its their FTX account.

I don't think there is, the account was under their name, the legal power is on them. If FTX unilaterally grant the claim and the fund to your nominated address, without the NFT company's agreement, I think that's a case they currently won't have any interest to get into.

Your best chance is perhaps, as I said here on #61, to have the company wrote a legal document, acknowledging that the fund on their wallet is yours and you to act on their behalf, that the account is "bestowed" to you.
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Is there like any way I could claim the money without having to go through the company? They've ignored my message for over a week now  Cry I've sent [email protected] a message but no response in some time too. Unfortunately I can't use claims.ftx.com without the company's help since its their FTX account.

FTX will ignore you forever. I don't mean to demotivate you, but looking at their current position, dealing with wrong transactions is certainly not their priority.
Maybe you should contact one of the prosecutors who is handling the case against them. Although your case will be more difficult to present and prove.
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I just remember reading it here, maybe I misread it? idk
https://claims.ftx.com/welcome


File your customer claim
Deadline: September 29, 2023, 4pm ET ("Bar Date")


The FTX Customer Claims Portal and the Kroll Portal will remain accessible after the Bar Date to amend or file a claim. Absent order from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, any claims filed after the Bar Date will be considered late filed and may be disputed. KYC will also remain open for customers to complete and upload the requested documentation


I might be wrong, but that snippets of announcement were scattered around the website, and I believe the full article is here, which reads,



The way I interpret it, yes you can try to file a withdrawal request after 29 September, but you'll need an order or approval from from U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, without it, your claim might be rejected.

I think it's worth the shot, though. I mean... there's nothing to lose, is there?

ah i guess i can try, i really hope the company doesnt ignore me because they've been for the past week too. i emailed the ftx support email that a member mentioned above but no response either



I just saw this video randomly on YouTube I was wondering if it could possibly be useful at all to this situation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF4t58gil1k
(SBF found guilty of all charges, video made 1 day ago)



Is there like any way I could claim the money without having to go through the company? They've ignored my message for over a week now  Cry I've sent [email protected] a message but no response in some time too. Unfortunately I can't use claims.ftx.com without the company's help since its their FTX account.

legendary
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I just remember reading it here, maybe I misread it? idk
https://claims.ftx.com/welcome


File your customer claim
Deadline: September 29, 2023, 4pm ET ("Bar Date")


The FTX Customer Claims Portal and the Kroll Portal will remain accessible after the Bar Date to amend or file a claim. Absent order from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, any claims filed after the Bar Date will be considered late filed and may be disputed. KYC will also remain open for customers to complete and upload the requested documentation


I might be wrong, but that snippets of announcement were scattered around the website, and I believe the full article is here, which reads,



The way I interpret it, yes you can try to file a withdrawal request after 29 September, but you'll need an order or approval from from U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, without it, your claim might be rejected.

I think it's worth the shot, though. I mean... there's nothing to lose, is there?
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I wasn’t very good at reading it but they did say you can submit a claim after the due date but it might be denied or something idk. Could still trying be hopeful? And if I do, it would have to be under the companies FTX account. I’m willing to verify KYC since it’s my money but is this illegal since i don’t own the account? Unfortunately it actually was the same day I decided to verify KYC that it was also the deadline lol

Do you mind providing me this article? If I have some time at hand, I don't mind to give it a read and see if we have the same understanding of what the article conveyed. But... I agree with you, suppose they're still allowing it, I think the fund will most likely transferred to that company's possession, and/or can only be verified by the company, and not you. Unless... maybe the company can write a statement that the recent deposit to their address is yours and will be "bestowed" to you?

I just remember reading it here, maybe I misread it? idk
https://claims.ftx.com/welcome


File your customer claim
Deadline: September 29, 2023, 4pm ET ("Bar Date")


The FTX Customer Claims Portal and the Kroll Portal will remain accessible after the Bar Date to amend or file a claim. Absent order from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the District of Delaware, any claims filed after the Bar Date will be considered late filed and may be disputed. KYC will also remain open for customers to complete and upload the requested documentation




Woops, almost forgot to respond!

So, I heard about this site named ftx claim or something and it wanted me to log in. Since I don't have an FTX account I contacted the company and I was ignored.


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If they decide to cooperate do you think I could get my money back from that website? I saw one of the steps said to complete KYC I'd be willing to do this for them or something assuming its legal and etc.

Is there anything I could do really? I feel like it's just gonna be stuck there forever.

That option had crossed my mind before, but if I am not mistaken [which is why I didn't voiced it to you] the deadline for claiming a return already passed, even before you created this thread, on 29 September. Read more here and here. If it's still open and the deadline is extended, it might worth the shot.





I wasn’t very good at reading it but they did say you can submit a claim after the due date but it might be denied or something idk. Could still trying be hopeful? And if I do, it would have to be under the companies FTX account. I’m willing to verify KYC since it’s my money but is this illegal since i don’t own the account? Unfortunately it actually was the same day I decided to verify KYC that it was also the deadline lol

Considering that Rollbit sent the coins after collapse, and after FTX/its subsidiaries become defunct, you should be able to get them back quite easily.

This will actually serve as a great test for the parties that are in control of FTX. If they do not give ineedhelpplease's money back, then the thievery is still continuing.  

It would be dumbfounding if they turn around and say that they no longer have access to the wallets. If they have a large array of wallets, someone with blockchain knowledge a part of the party in control can export the private key quite easily.

There are not many reasons why you would be rejected. I would not be surprised if it takes a long time to even get a response from them though.

Good luck, please keep us posted.

Our internal policies for these scenarios ensure that any deposited funds are returned only to the address we received them from. This is a standard industry practice.

For any funds that are sent directly to a service wallet, we recommend reaching out to the service directly. We have no control over their wallet, nor can we reverse the transaction.

This is a damn stupid industry practice. You are telling me that every casino will just fling funds to places despite not knowing where it's going, and that regulations render casinos incapable of asking a user "do you control this address?" before sending a refund? Please. That is a very poor industry practice and all casinos who do that are asking for complaints, and deserve to be scrutinized for this.

I am not in the mood to get involved in more drama, however if you want to prevent complaints in the future, communicate better and don't be idiots. I say don't be idiots because this "internal policy" that is apparently "standard industry practice" is idiotic. You know how the blockchain works and you know that confirming address validity to ensure it's not a service-address is essential for any kind of refund. This process that ineedhelpplease now has to follow is 100% Rollbit's fault and was very simply to preventable...If I were him I'd be pushing for compensation for the time and potential loss that you've caused for him at the minimum and probably scrutinizing until the "internal policy" is publicly changed as well, so that others don't face these problems.

Nearly forgot to respond. I've sent them a message via their email as well, I hope I can get it back or anything I can try to do really.
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Considering that Rollbit sent the coins after collapse, and after FTX/its subsidiaries become defunct, you should be able to get them back quite easily.

This will actually serve as a great test for the parties that are in control of FTX. If they do not give ineedhelpplease's money back, then the thievery is still continuing.  

It would be dumbfounding if they turn around and say that they no longer have access to the wallets. If they have a large array of wallets, someone with blockchain knowledge a part of the party in control can export the private key quite easily.

There are not many reasons why you would be rejected. I would not be surprised if it takes a long time to even get a response from them though.

Good luck, please keep us posted.

Not many, true, but there are stil good few reasons it being rejected or, at the very least, facing a good difficulties. One is as I mentioned above your post: that the address belongs to an NFT marketplace [company, according to OP] and not OP's.

It will be understandable if FTX or whatever they're named these days, refuse to just let the fund go without proper authentification and statement from the company that bestow the control and the content of the fund on said address to OP.

The other [and significantly less dire, if OP interpret the article he read correctly] is the deadline.

This is a damn stupid industry practice. You are telling me that every casino will just fling funds to places despite not knowing where it's going, and that regulations render casinos incapable of asking a user "do you control this address?" before sending a refund? Please. That is a very poor industry practice and all casinos who do that are asking for complaints, and deserve to be scrutinized for this.

I am not in the mood to get involved in more drama, however if you want to prevent complaints in the future, communicate better and don't be idiots. I say don't be idiots because this "internal policy" that is apparently "standard industry practice" is idiotic. You know how the blockchain works and you know that confirming address validity to ensure it's not a service-address is essential for any kind of refund. This process that ineedhelpplease now has to follow is 100% Rollbit's fault and was very simply to preventable...If I were him I'd be pushing for compensation for the time and potential loss that you've caused for him at the minimum and probably scrutinizing until the "internal policy" is publicly changed as well, so that others don't face these problems.

Are we 100% sure this opinion is not biased? That it's 100% Rollbit's [or other casino who implement the same policy] fault? Because, OTOH, if OP submit the KYC right away when asked, this whole mess can also be avoided. I can partially understand OP's decision of emergency cash [though I can suggest way more secure methods if the aim is simply to lock fund for emergency cash] but, like it or not, he shared portion of responsibility on this case too. He refused to perform KYC right away because he wanted to reverse the withdrawal request, he can achieve the same result by doing KYC and re-depositing it to Rollbit.

If I may repeat my question [which was a response to your own invitation to discuss this matter, but then you ignored],

[...]
If I may reverse the situation though, do you disagree that it'll be risky for a platform and probably expose themselves in abetting money laundering [and thus jeopardizing their license] because they go lenient with user by removing the second layer of AML policy and allow user to withdraw their fund to a different wallet, with consideration to the point I raised in #37?

[Sorry OP, I have no intention to pour salt to your wound, but some things need to be straigthened]
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