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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 25, 2024, 02:40:05 AM

Sorry but I have to say that you are all wrong, define skill and you will understand that skill has nothing to do with sports betting, or sports betting has nothing to do with skill rather.

Think about this, the players who are playing the physical match are the ones who need to be highly skillful to win their games, not without luck on their side though.
For gambler who participate in sports betting, it's knowledge that they need, sports betting is a knowledge based game, as well as luck based as well.

So, let me say that we have three categories or type of gambling games, and those are...
1. Pure luck based - casino and slot games
2. Knowledge and luck based - sports betting
3. Skill and luck based - poker, blackjack, and some other card games.

So, your good knowledge of; and in sports, with the help of luck, is what increases ones chances of winning their bets on sports games, not skill.

You are saying stuff that make no sense at all. Knowledge and skill are literally the same thing. The players skills that you mentioned are physical skills while sports betting skills are considered mental skills.

Being highly skilled mentally helps in games like sportsbetting, poker etc although luck is also required in order to acquire successful results. Check below!

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We have our own belief in sports betting or any other skilled based games. Some people just trying to make it complicated, and whatever definition we have, it's never a valid argument until proven it. If some lecture me here that sports betting is out skills and he is profitable, then I would be convince that it is, but if someone says otherwise but haven't proven anything, then I will not take his word seriously but I wouldn't criticize as well as that's his personal opinion.

Let's just be happy and have fun guys, after all gambling is entertainment.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 25, 2024, 02:40:05 AM

Sorry but I have to say that you are all wrong, define skill and you will understand that skill has nothing to do with sports betting, or sports betting has nothing to do with skill rather.

Think about this, the players who are playing the physical match are the ones who need to be highly skillful to win their games, not without luck on their side though.
For gambler who participate in sports betting, it's knowledge that they need, sports betting is a knowledge based game, as well as luck based as well.

So, let me say that we have three categories or type of gambling games, and those are...
1. Pure luck based - casino and slot games
2. Knowledge and luck based - sports betting
3. Skill and luck based - poker, blackjack, and some other card games.

So, your good knowledge of; and in sports, with the help of luck, is what increases ones chances of winning their bets on sports games, not skill.

You are saying stuff that make no sense at all. Knowledge and skill are literally the same thing. The players skills that you mentioned are physical skills while sports betting skills are considered mental skills.

Being highly skilled mentally helps in games like sportsbetting, poker etc although luck is also required in order to acquire successful results. Check below!

https://www.casino.org/responsible-gambling/truth-about-sports-betting/

https://www.thepunterspage.com/sports-betting-luck-skill/

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It's still about luck, although I don't put too much emphasis on luck because for me luck can be created when opportunity meets ability.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 25, 2024, 01:04:54 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 11:27:31 PM

Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

I disagree partially. Skills do help to a great extent in any sport related betting(Not just football), but luck matters a lot too which is why it definitely is not a small thing as you mentioned.

H2H stats are just one parameter among many, many parameters along with the luck factor when betting on various sports.

I do agree that luck will always be a big point on any gambling, doesn't matter if it is something as ordinary as dice, which is mainly luck, but it will matter at sportsbetting as well.

However, there are a lot of people who lose just because they are risking way too much for no good reason, so skills means something as well, doesn't mean that skill is the only thing that matters, of course luck matters more than skill, but it also doesn't mean that skill doesn't worth anything at all, I believe that skill does mean something. This is why we should be careful with what we have, and that's going to be meaningful in the end, we should consider that as an option. I hope that we could see the difference between the two.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 11:27:31 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 24, 2024, 06:02:28 PM

This is what the logic of things (always subject to relativity) says.

Football, like any betting game, is always subject to the “luck” factor, and we, as bettors or forecasters, can only anticipate the outcome based on the statistics of the matches played by each team, with a focus on the level of the two teams in the matches in which they face each other.
According to available statistics, since 1995, the two teams have faced off 75 times, with Arsenal winning 27 times compared to Chelsea 26 times, and 22 matches ending in a draw. According to these statistics, the possibility of a draw is very likely, in my opinion. Of course, these are subjective estimates.

Making head to head statistics from the first time the two teams met for a predicted result will not be completely accurate because in my opinion the performance of both teams over at least the last five matches is the determining factor in how good they are.

I firmly said at the beginning that I did not dare say Arsenal would win because Chelsea before that match was playing with a performance that could make it difficult for Manchester City at Wembley. I also don't dare say the match will be a draw because Arsenal is very obsessed with the title which they still have a chance of winning.

Why is it that the head to head statistics from the first time the two teams met cannot confirm a prediction result? It is proven that yesterday's Merseyside derby match was not accurate with the analysis made by Liverpool that they will win because of their motivation to return to the top of the standings.
Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

Although I do not agree with your last idea about luck being a small thing since no strategy is always successful or always unsuccessful, and the use of any strategy is also subject to luck since the opposing team's strategy cannot be known/predicted, I do agree with you on the rest of your analysis that it is not accurate to predict the result based on the history of direct confrontations between the two teams.
But in this example I am looking at two strong teams, and as you can see in the history of confrontations between them, the results were very close, noting that the draw matches are more than the number of matches won by each team against the other. This means that if I want to bet on the outcome of the match, I would rely on the statistics that I mentioned in my previous comment, but in reality, I would prefer to bet on the number of goals if predicting the final result would be very difficult.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 23, 2024, 08:29:07 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 23, 2024, 03:39:04 PM

According to the same logic in your analysis, I think that the result will most likely be a draw. The level of the two teams is similar, and as much as they have good offensive capabilities, they also have excellent defenses. I don't expect it will be easy for either of them to score.

Football is not match and it is not logic in most of matches.

The match between Arsenal and Chelsea is such an illogical match that ended as a very big win for Arsenal. Even Arsenal fans did not imagine that their team will beat Chelsea with this big result. 3 points are what Arsenal fans hoped that their team will achieve after this big clash but they got a much better than just 3 points.

With this big win, Arsenal leads Premier League with 77 points but Manchester City have 2 more matches and Liverpool have 1 more match. Differences of Arsenal against Liverpool and Manchester City are 3 and 4 points, respectively.

In football, as in all other sports, team data and athlete data decide which team or athlete will win. The winner is not based on luck. It's based on probabilities and that's mathematics. Statistics and probabilities are part of mathematics. we just need to see that in a game where we have a top team, and this top team in the last 5 games has won in every game, has no injured players, scores a lot of goals, doesn't concede goals often, has the best defense and attack of the league. and played against the worst team in the league, which in the last 5 games lost in every game

It has its best players injured, it has conceded many goals in every game, it has been a team that doesn't score goals in most games. So the bookmakers will give an advantage to the top team, because the bookmakers saw this statistical data and calculated the probability of the top team winning, in other words, the bookmakers used mathematics. they were not based on luck and a good bettor would also bet on the top team to win, in the Chelsea game against Arsenal it was predictable that Arsenal would win, so much so that the betting odds placed Arsenal as favorites to win

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 25, 2024, 01:04:54 AM

I disagree partially. Skills do help to a great extent in any sport related betting(Not just football), but luck matters a lot too which is why it definitely is not a small thing as you mentioned.

Thing is that the luck even if 0.01% can turn the entire bet upside down and you skills will go down the drain. Gambling always has a luck factor involved and any skills or knowledge end up being inferior to it when it strikes. This concept is more theoretical than practical but regular players can make sense of what I am trying to convey.

So dont make gambling a regular thing, you will lose due to the luck factor often creeping out of the blue. And for EV- games, always play with money that you can afford to lose.

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Quote from: Fivestar4everMVP on April 25, 2024, 02:40:05 AM

So, let me say that we have three categories or type of gambling games, and those are...
1. Pure luck based - casino and slot games
2. Knowledge and luck based - sports betting
3. Skill and luck based - poker, blackjack, and some other card games.

So, your good knowledge of; and in sports, with the help of luck, is what increases ones chances of winning their bets on sports games, not skill.

Knowledge and skills are needed for all gambling types and games but the biggest common factor is luck. You can be a very knowledgeable and skillful gamblers but you can not win if you don't have enough luck.

Luck-based factor is very important in many things of our life, not only in gambling. In trading and investment, luck is important too but the importance of luck factor is bigger in gambling. With gambling, in any kind of game, you need to depend on probability, that is where luck factor shows its importance.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 25, 2024, 01:04:54 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 11:27:31 PM

Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

I disagree partially. Skills do help to a great extent in any sport related betting(Not just football), but luck matters a lot too which is why it definitely is not a small thing as you mentioned.

H2H stats are just one parameter among many, many parameters along with the luck factor when betting on various sports.

Good skill on sports can win most of the times in sportsbet but here also luck cannot be neglected. Because sometimes incredible results are seen in football and cricket games. Even a weak team sometimes wins a match by playing against a strong team. And then many lost their sure bets. So at that time it can not be called bad luck? In all sectors of gambling one has to believe in luck because without good luck no one can do well in gambling. Skill cannot give anyone 100% satisfaction in gambling.

You need to be good on analyzing on what possible result will show up after the game and although sometimes there's no guarantee that we can win if we place our bets on much stronger teams still its good to know certain things that need to consider before placing our bets on those games.

There are certain factors that can affect the game of each team and we need to look at the deeper scenarios since even if they are facing those weak teams and if their core players is out then they have huge chance to win on those what people called weak team. But skill play important role especially on our decision making that's why we should place our bets according to our research made and don't base it according to luck.

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Quote from: Z_MBFM on April 25, 2024, 02:24:09 AM

Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 25, 2024, 01:04:54 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 11:27:31 PM

Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

I disagree partially. Skills do help to a great extent in any sport related betting(Not just football), but luck matters a lot too which is why it definitely is not a small thing as you mentioned.

H2H stats are just one parameter among many, many parameters along with the luck factor when betting on various sports.

Good skill on sports can win most of the times in sportsbet but here also luck cannot be neglected. Because sometimes incredible results are seen in football and cricket games. Even a weak team sometimes wins a match by playing against a strong team. And then many lost their sure bets. So at that time it can not be called bad luck? In all sectors of gambling one has to believe in luck because without good luck no one can do well in gambling. Skill cannot give anyone 100% satisfaction in gambling.

Sorry but I have to say that you are all wrong, define skill and you will understand that skill has nothing to do with sports betting, or sports betting has nothing to do with skill rather.

Think about this, the players who are playing the physical match are the ones who need to be highly skillful to win their games, not without luck on their side though.
For gambler who participate in sports betting, it's knowledge that they need, sports betting is a knowledge based game, as well as luck based as well.

So, let me say that we have three categories or type of gambling games, and those are...
1. Pure luck based - casino and slot games
2. Knowledge and luck based - sports betting
3. Skill and luck based - poker, blackjack, and some other card games.

So, your good knowledge of; and in sports, with the help of luck, is what increases ones chances of winning their bets on sports games, not skill.

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Quote from: 3kpk3 on April 25, 2024, 01:04:54 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 11:27:31 PM

Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

I disagree partially. Skills do help to a great extent in any sport related betting(Not just football), but luck matters a lot too which is why it definitely is not a small thing as you mentioned.

H2H stats are just one parameter among many, many parameters along with the luck factor when betting on various sports.

Good skill on sports can win most of the times in sportsbet but here also luck cannot be neglected. Because sometimes incredible results are seen in football and cricket games. Even a weak team sometimes wins a match by playing against a strong team. And then many lost their sure bets. So at that time it can not be called bad luck? In all sectors of gambling one has to believe in luck because without good luck no one can do well in gambling. Skill cannot give anyone 100% satisfaction in gambling.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on April 24, 2024, 11:27:31 PM

Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

I disagree partially. Skills do help to a great extent in any sport related betting(Not just football), but luck matters a lot too which is why it definitely is not a small thing as you mentioned.

H2H stats are just one parameter among many, many parameters along with the luck factor when betting on various sports.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 24, 2024, 06:02:28 PM

This is what the logic of things (always subject to relativity) says.

Football, like any betting game, is always subject to the “luck” factor, and we, as bettors or forecasters, can only anticipate the outcome based on the statistics of the matches played by each team, with a focus on the level of the two teams in the matches in which they face each other.
According to available statistics, since 1995, the two teams have faced off 75 times, with Arsenal winning 27 times compared to Chelsea 26 times, and 22 matches ending in a draw. According to these statistics, the possibility of a draw is very likely, in my opinion. Of course, these are subjective estimates.

Making head to head statistics from the first time the two teams met for a predicted result will not be completely accurate because in my opinion the performance of both teams over at least the last five matches is the determining factor in how good they are.

I firmly said at the beginning that I did not dare say Arsenal would win because Chelsea before that match was playing with a performance that could make it difficult for Manchester City at Wembley. I also don't dare say the match will be a draw because Arsenal is very obsessed with the title which they still have a chance of winning.

Why is it that the head to head statistics from the first time the two teams met cannot confirm a prediction result? It is proven that yesterday's Merseyside derby match was not accurate with the analysis made by Liverpool that they will win because of their motivation to return to the top of the standings.
Football is a game of strategy. Luck is just a small thing.

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Quote from: tranthidung on April 23, 2024, 08:29:07 PM

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 23, 2024, 03:39:04 PM

According to the same logic in your analysis, I think that the result will most likely be a draw. The level of the two teams is similar, and as much as they have good offensive capabilities, they also have excellent defenses. I don't expect it will be easy for either of them to score.

Football is not match and it is not logic in most of matches.

This is what the logic of things (always subject to relativity) says.

Football, like any betting game, is always subject to the “luck” factor, and we, as bettors or forecasters, can only anticipate the outcome based on the statistics of the matches played by each team, with a focus on the level of the two teams in the matches in which they face each other.
According to available statistics, since 1995, the two teams have faced off 75 times, with Arsenal winning 27 times compared to Chelsea 26 times, and 22 matches ending in a draw. According to these statistics, the possibility of a draw is very likely, in my opinion. Of course, these are subjective estimates.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 23, 2024, 03:39:04 PM

According to the same logic in your analysis, I think that the result will most likely be a draw. The level of the two teams is similar, and as much as they have good offensive capabilities, they also have excellent defenses. I don't expect it will be easy for either of them to score.

Football is not match and it is not logic in most of matches.

The match between Arsenal and Chelsea is such an illogical match that ended as a very big win for Arsenal. Even Arsenal fans did not imagine that their team will beat Chelsea with this big result. 3 points are what Arsenal fans hoped that their team will achieve after this big clash but they got a much better than just 3 points.

With this big win, Arsenal leads Premier League with 77 points but Manchester City have 2 more matches and Liverpool have 1 more match. Differences of Arsenal against Liverpool and Manchester City are 3 and 4 points, respectively.

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Quote from: AprilioMP on April 23, 2024, 11:47:28 AM

There is one big match in the Premier League, Arsenal vs Chelsea which is the 29th match at the Emirates Stadium. This match became an important match for Arsenal to maintain the opportunity for competition to win the Premier League season 2023/2024 with Manchester City and Liverpool.
I don't dare say Arsenal will win because Chelsea is not a weak team. I also did not dare say Arsenal would be held to a draw by Chelsea. This is a big match that is difficult to make a decision.

According to the same logic in your analysis, I think that the result will most likely be a draw. The level of the two teams is similar, and as much as they have good offensive capabilities, they also have excellent defenses. I don't expect it will be easy for either of them to score.

For a bettor who chooses this match, the choice is certainly very difficult if he is trying to predict the outcome of the match. On the other hand, I believe that the best bet could be on the number of goals in the match, which I expect will not exceed two goals in total, given that both teams have strong defenses. Therefore, betting “under 2.5” goals seems very reasonable.

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There is one big match in the Premier League, Arsenal vs Chelsea which is the 29th match at the Emirates Stadium. This match became an important match for Arsenal to maintain the opportunity for competition to win the Premier League season 2023/2024 with Manchester City and Liverpool.
I don't dare say Arsenal will win because Chelsea is not a weak team. I also did not dare say Arsenal would be held to a draw by Chelsea. This is a big match that is difficult to make a decision.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 20, 2024, 10:01:27 AM

Quote from: AprilioMP on April 16, 2024, 12:23:12 PM

Hello rollbit members.
Barcelona wants to qualify after winning in Paris in the first leg. PSG is also aiming to win over Barcelona to prove that they have never won the Champions League. Enroque will play attacking from the start according to my analysis.
Of course, deciding who will win and qualify in this match is very difficult.

It was a very interesting match and contrary to all expectations. It is certain that those who bet on the inevitability of Barcelona's victory would not have expected Barcelona to continue the match with ten players after Araujo was eliminated by a red ball.

PSG would not have performed well if Barcelona had maintained its full number of players. But as you know, in football, efficiency is not always the dominant factor because luck may play the biggest role. PSG was lucky this time in one of the most important matches of the tournament.
Analysts confirmed that Barcelona's chances of winning would not have been diminished by the exclusion of one player, regardless of his position or performance, if the opposing team had not been PSG.

I bet that with a co-worker because he is a big fan of Barcelona, and all week he was asking me for the money in advance that he was going to win. I didn't see the game, but because at that time I was at another job on tour, but when I arrived The next day he had to give me the money quietly, I don't know much about football things, but I'm going to find a way to do this so that I have more opportunities to bet on his casino sites, I bet it's with work colleagues or friends , directly, but I don't use the casino betting part, that's something we need to see so that they are up to date with the updates, Rollbit has always been a casino that has a lot of future and this is my first option for everything.

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Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 20, 2024, 10:01:27 AM

It was a very interesting match and contrary to all expectations. It is certain that those who bet on the inevitability of Barcelona's victory would not have expected Barcelona to continue the match with ten players after Araujo was eliminated by a red ball.

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And the fact that teams such as Barcelona are known to be more on the disciplined side,I really did see the Red card coming but when it happened it definitely killed the game!!

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 20, 2024, 10:01:27 AM

PSG would not have performed well if Barcelona had maintained its full number of players. But as you know, in football, efficiency is not always the dominant factor because luck may play the biggest role. PSG was lucky this time in one of the most important matches of the tournament.

Very lucky indeed and if they play their cards right, we could see them in the finals as Dortmund isn't much of a treat if I weigh the two teams based on form and individual brilliance...and the most anticipated final is a Real Madrid vs PSG which is mouth watering, and hoping this is what we get...

Quote from: Kavelj22 on April 20, 2024, 10:01:27 AM

Analysts confirmed that Barcelona's chances of winning would not have been diminished by the exclusion of one player, regardless of his position or performance, if the opposing team had not been PSG.

It's easy to say that Barca wouldn't have been eliminated had it not been for the card, but how many teams have defied the odds..teams such as BvB, Bayern are surprise packages as far as we know .

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Quote from: AprilioMP on April 16, 2024, 12:23:12 PM

Hello rollbit members.
Barcelona wants to qualify after winning in Paris in the first leg. PSG is also aiming to win over Barcelona to prove that they have never won the Champions League. Enroque will play attacking from the start according to my analysis.
Of course, deciding who will win and qualify in this match is very difficult.

It was a very interesting match and contrary to all expectations. It is certain that those who bet on the inevitability of Barcelona's victory would not have expected Barcelona to continue the match with ten players after Araujo was eliminated by a red ball.

PSG would not have performed well if Barcelona had maintained its full number of players. But as you know, in football, efficiency is not always the dominant factor because luck may play the biggest role. PSG was lucky this time in one of the most important matches of the tournament.
Analysts confirmed that Barcelona's chances of winning would not have been diminished by the exclusion of one player, regardless of his position or performance, if the opposing team had not been PSG.

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