Topic: Rollbit.com scam, and took my money including deposit. (500$) (Read 429 times)

Another accusation against Rollbit and another hiccup because of allowing multi account.

Mind that sportsbook and casino abusers already know that there is a place where they can go and cry, manipulate words and get sympathy. The members of the place have enough authority to the crypto sportsbooks that they can create good pressure and get advantage of their misleading accusations.

Just look at the topics created on the board, almost all casino have at least one accusation by newbies. Having said that, these days I only pay attention to any accusation that have very well presentation of the back up evidences.

Shhh. Don't give him any advice for the future. It wouldn't be the first time that someone who uses multiple accounts gets caught by address association. Just think of all the abusers and ban evaders that have been discovered on Bitcointalk because people connected A and B together or they slipped up in some other way.   

That would make him the dumbest multi account user ever. How hard can it be to use different addresses?

It seems like you are assuming that OP is telling the truth about using the exchange he mentioned, which made the mistake of giving him a reused address. Let's say he is lying about that, and he had multiple accounts that he used on Rollbit and ended up withdrawing from those accounts into the same ETH address. It's a totally different story then.

According to the blockchain explorer, it does not appear that the address is actually from the exchange. Looks like the OP lied about that part as well.

Rollbit Razer already mentioned that the funds from both transactions were swept to this address: 0x1be52d9df0cc803ac8dd7f9cb1303fe8f470b144.
That wallet address currently holds just over 2.56 ETH from a total of 10 incoming TXns, all in the past month.
- The last two transactions are from the already mentioned OP's address: 0xd671...
- Four transactions are from the Rollbit hot wallet directly, address: 0xcbd6...
- The two transactions are from the address: 0xf771ef93ecc4545c79c95d6b82a742099a9cab99 which received inputs from the Binance wallet.
- And the other two transactions are from the addresses: 0x07d526e735ce49f49a1c966dd5832d66e867b4f8 and 0x8423bcbe3adc57d91feda4997b70f12f4bc98782. It is interesting that each of these addresses has a single incoming transaction, which is also from the Rollbit hot wallet address: 0xcbd6...



This leads me to the conclusion that all the addresses listed are private wallets and not from an exchange as the OP claimed, and that he had multiple withdrawals from Rollbit Casino in the past month that all ended up at one address: 0x1be52d9df0cc803ac8dd7f9cb1303fe8f470b144.
I hope my logic makes sense.

You can start by answering my question: where the users guilty of match fixing? If they were, it doesn't make sense to allow them to continue betting with lower amounts. And if they weren't, it sounds like you're limiting people for winning instead of cheating.

If that's the case, how was the same address used again? Even if it's the same user, that shouldn't happen. Unless the exchange keeps old addresses active to do the same exchange again (so I think I may have answered my own question).

Address reuse by an exchange or some other service is certainly possible, although in my experience I think it's very rare these days. But even if that were true, it would be pretty incredible if the only deposit to the same address also came from a Rollbit hot wallet, and only 6 days apart.

Furthermore, since the screenshot posted by the OP and the transaction later posted by Rollbit Razer match the transaction amount and time, I think we can safely conclude that the address 0xd671f6bbC4998e24b575fF8178715fFB96674d89 is indeed the OP's withdrawal address.

This leads to the conclusion that the OP is not telling the complete truth in this case, and that he had at least one other account and at least one successful withdrawal from Rollbit casino in the past. If not him personally, then someone very close to him (maybe a family member?).

So the name of the exchange that OP used is called Tec.Bit.com. I went to their site and started a fake ETH to rubles exchange to see what address I would get from the site. It was a brand-new ETH address that had no previous transaction history. I am also posting a screenshot where I talked with the support of Tec.Bit. I asked them if deposit addresses on their exchange are being reused, and is it possible that a person receives a deposit address that was previously used by a different person. As you can see from the chat, they said no. For each new request, a new ETH address gets generated.

The point of this is to check whether OP could have been unlucky to have used an exchange that reuses crypto addresses because he said he never played on Rollbit before. If that was the case, it could be possible that he was asked to deposit his tokens into an Ethereum address that was previously used on Rollbit by someone else who got banned/limited. Judging by the reply of the support agent, that can't happen.

I think the point is being missed here, the user is permanently banned from Rollbit for circumventing our bans and previous account limits. Some of these accounts were detailed in my original reply, one with a remarkably similar name to OP's username on this forum. Those aren't just hunches, they're backed by our internal measures for detecting accounts evading our limits & bans, further backed by blockchain transactions that I disclosed.

If they did not create additional accounts for the purposes of abusing our Sportsbook, they would not be banned and be permitted to continue on their limited account. The fact is they require the open limits to abuse the sportsbook so seek to circumvent our limits.

We're more than happy to show additional data points from our end as long as they're not sensitive or disclose our internal security practises, making it easier for abusers to circumvent our measures.

As requested, please suggest what you'd like to see, keeping in mind your suggestion that screenshots can be fabricated.

https://tec-bit.com/hst_9hENvM6XNxIAGKaLriXuWqC5LvLN4kAlNi4/?utm_source=click.mail.ru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=click.mail.ru&utm_referrer=click.mail.ru


Here was my application for receiving fiat, it is now canceled because rollbit canceled the withdrawal of funds.

What exchange did you use to withdraw your ETH, and what site gave you the following withdrawal address 0xd671f6bbC4998e24b575fF8178715fFB96674d89? What is your connection with this address, 0x1Be52D9df0Cc803aC8dD7f9cb1303fE8f470B144?

Can you tell me the name of the exchange and post a link to it?

Were the users guilty of match fixing? If so, where's the evidence? And also: why does that lead to "limited" accounts instead of banned accounts? Is fixing matches with lower amounts acceptable?

It sounds like most users lose money, and a very small percentage of users wins. That should be normal in a casino, instead of a reason to take their funds.

Hello, I repeat again, I have never played on your site, I was looking for a betting site, I went to the gambling tab on bitcointalk, and I saw you, you had a lot of good reviews, I decided to register, I decided to bet, I made a deposit thanks to the exchanger, apparently he made a deposit from a hot binance wallet, after winning, I made a withdrawal through the exchange office, where I indicated it all, confirming with screenshots, I created an application in the exchanger, and then sent them eth, in return they sent me transferred rubles to my electronic wallet, I'm not a scammer!, I'm an ordinary player who found you, and I never played with you. especially as they wrote above, in your terms and conditions it is not indicated that a multi-account is prohibited, what is your problem with giving me my money? as I understand it, someone else did this besides me that the wallets match on the site, but what have I got to do with it? I'm ready to go through KUS, let's get in touch on Skype (just find me a Russian translator), let's talk, I'll tell you about my account, but I've never played with you. you decided to just simply take my money, I have nothing to do with it. You even confiscated my deposit, I was surprised at that. I also filed a complaint with the curacao licensee, maybe they will help me. https://imgur.com/a/ZYh2QOh

Thanks for the replies. We've provided blockchain transactions, not too sure how there could be better evidence?

What is generally accepted as sufficient evidence? As you've already suggested, screenshots can be fabricated. OP can hopefully confirm that they're their addresses.

It's publicly documented by multiple, independent sources.

You can also deposit ETH to Rollbit, and observe the funds ending up there. Anyone who's historically made a deposit will be able to confirm this also.

A sportsbook is very different to other offerings a casino has. One of the main differences is the human element for the sports our players are betting on.

For example, match fixing is a very genuine threat to any site that operates a sportsbook. Should this mean every site operating a sportsbook should shut down?

Considering abuse is a very small % of our overall volume, we don't think so. However, we certainly will take action against prolific abusers, with the hopes of deterring their future efforts.

Hmm. Still they most have some system or supporting documentation that explains address reuse. Talking with customer support might also help. Let's wait for OP and Rollbit to say something.

From my experience, there's no guarantee the address was used before. I've been given new and used addresses from the same service. It looked like they recycle different addresses from a pool.

Thanks for walking us through the process. LoyceV is right when he says that screenshots can be faked and those images can be manipulated with inspect element to fit blockchain records. But I don't think that's the case here and someone would really need a lot of time and be bored to fake all that.

I am reasonably assured the address in question belongs to Rollbit. And now I would like to see some evidence from the casino that multiple accounts have been found using the same withdrawal addresses. If OP insists he never used more than one account and this is all a mistake, I would like to know what wallet/service he used to deposit that money. If it's one that reuses the same addresses, I should get the same address if I register an account there as well.

Screenshots can be faked, signed messages can't. That doesn't prove I have anything to do with the first payment.
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For the benefit of those concerned that it may not be Rollbit's hot wallet, I have attached images showing the journey from my coinbase account, to the sweep address that then goes to the rollbit hot wallet address.

Again,like you say, screenshots can be edited however transactions cannot so I've also attached the links to my transactions within the images!

Attachment 1:

Image one shows my 'Deposits' page to rollbit. Any user can see this page for their account by going to rollbit.com/account/deposits/ETH
For consistency, I selected one specific transaction of 0.00835999ETH and that's the amount you will see all along.

Attachment 2:

Image 2 shows the transaction itself, which is from my Coinbase account to my unique Rollbit deposit address [so that they know who it is depositing]
link to transaction: https://etherscan.io/tx/0xbea8ca5ff45622e44d913193c30bab6b5e6a8e173cd4df9ab076bcdb946ce6e8
As you can see it's the same ETH amount beeng transacted.

Attachment 3:

From my unique deposit address, the funds get sent to Rollbit's hot wallet address, which is the same as the one Razer linked.

Transaction from my deposit address to hot wallet: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x21fd4cd6f274166dd9c36028984b3e8d31e4d8580f5e973d33641509b2911dc8
^ This transaction is a combination of my 2 previous deposits to the deposit address [0.00835999ETH which took place on June 20th 2021, and 0.00909217ETH which took place on June 19th 2021]< this deposit can also be seen in attachment one

You can see from the transactions page of my unique deposit address, that all the different ETH transactions coincide with all other deposits shown in the first image

That address that is supposedly Rollbit's hot wallet contains over $1 million worth of ETH tokens. I am quite sure that there is a limited number of people that have access to its private keys to sign messages and prove ownership of it. I doubt the person controlling Rollbit's Bitcointalk account is on that list.

There is another possible solution. If OP has used an exchange or a service that recycles addresses and everyone deposits into the same account accompanied with a note to differentiate different people, he should tell us what service it is, we could check it out and create dummy accounts. And if it's true, we should get the same deposit address as OP got. That would then show that the evidence can't prove Rollbit can claim OP has had previous accounts on the casino just based on the same withdrawal address.

Even if that address changes every week or so, two people creating dummy accounts in quick succession should still get the same deposit address.   

I'm starting to see a pattern here: someone creates an account, Rollbit takes their money, and then claims they created multiple accounts:
There's never any real evidence, but very significant amounts are being taken. Note that creating multiple accounts is explicitly allowed according to their Terms.

If your sportsbook is that easy to abuse, you should close it, not use it as an excuse to take people's money. Note that winning is not the same as abusing!

I've seen instant exchangers and payment processors recycle addresses, and I've paid to addresses that had been used before.

Screenshots can be faked, signed messages can't. That doesn't prove I have anything to do with the first payment.