Topic: Ron Paul and Bitcoin - page 2. (Read 7281 times)

@Sjalq

I read some news article where a bunch of prude women in Iceland banned all porn.  I don't think that was quite it but my memory was fuzzy and it was something like this.

Oh man I really want to see Iceland now! Sounds simply awesome.

From a survivalist point of view though I want a place where the people are relatively non-violent and the state is relatively non-interventionist. When the tropical fruit encounters the rotary blade you will need other people you can co-operate with. I live in South Africa in Gauteng and I really don't think it will be safe here if the supply lines are up-heaved. The people are already on edge. Cape Town in the south would probably truck along like nothing happened and it is probably one of the top 10 most scenic cities on earth. Botswana and Namibia would be ideal for survivalists, lots and lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of land and very few people (like 1 person per 3 square kilometers).

Another place on interest would be Zimbabwe. Since it was recently decimated by government hyperinflation I think they'll maintain some sanity and have already developed the means to cope with hard times and shortages and went through that time without going into full on genocide (not that I wish what did happen on anyone).

Praat enige iemand hier Afrikaans?

Yeah, and the skies are most often clear, visibility unlimited, boring sunsets/rises are rare, something about the air (dry ambient light?) is perfect for photos. Mountains shoot a kilometer vertical from the sea. Either midnight sun or glorious northern lights a few nights a week.

Reindeer is good and muskox is quite tasty too. And its all 100% free range organic fresh and cheap (in season). Fish, whale, and seal is an acquired delicacy. Most everything imported (which is a lot of 'normal' food) is very expensive. Like a wilted yellow broccoli for $10, but we have abundant vitamin rich flora four months of the year. Most of my veggies are frozen, milk is sealed ultra pasteurized, eggs are expensive. There has been some success growing barley and other grain in the south which hadn't grown there in 400 years. We've got potatoes and such in the fjord whose output is small, but packed with flavor and vitamins (the best though most expensive strawberries come from near the arctic region, such as Norway).

Living in the city here is as I imagine it will be like to live on Mars. Its extremely modern though you never lose touch of the extremities around you.

We've got flight connections through Copenhagen and Iceland. There are charters from Canada and the States, typically from the mining and oil industry, but also tourist scientific expeditions.

Min kæreste er en smuk dansker. Er du dansk?

I'm not going to lie, flying in and seeing the land from above damn near had me in tears it was so beautiful. Sitting out along the coast of Nuuk and just looking out at the water and mountains is also a very serene experience.

Also, reindeer meat is perhaps the most delicious meat there is.

How expensive are domestically grown goods? I got the sense that most everything I had was imported and it was incredibly expensive (in some cases 4x what I would normally pay).

Shit, getting in/out of the country is difficult now. 3 opportunities a week. Boats would be the way to go.

P.S. Taler du dansk? eller grønlandsk?

obviously each passenger would need to pay to get there. But I was thinking more on boat as we can bring arms and other survival gear we could not normally bring on a plane. unless it is a privately owned one.

I live in Qinngorput, Nuuk. Just climbed down from 1657m north of Kapisillit by the ice sheet where it was snowing horizontal.

Greenland is paradise. You get used to the cold, it's dry and gorgeous. Half of my calories in the last week were from blueberries, black berries, gooseberries, mushrooms, reindeer, and washed it all down with 100000 year old glacier water.

I figure if the global economy gets bad, it'll be really bad in Greenland. But we're experimenting with greenhouses (hydro-electricity is cheap and plentiful) and there's a good chance we have some of the largest untapped oil fields in the world. Still, temperate fruits, veggies, and dairy will be seriously reduced from my winter diet.

But if it gets Armageddon bad, Greenland is about the only place I'd want to be. We can be 100% self-sufficient and we practice it every once in a while (for example, the Iceland volcanic ash clouds knocked out all perishable imports and exports for a month).

But as far as escape plan, after what signal would you decide to move? Let's say hyperinflation kicks in and prices are doubling monthly. Even if you could afford a plane ticket, do you think the planes are gonna be on the same schedules to remote locations?

That shit would be EXPENSIVE, B. Prolly use the whole bitcoin economy to support that plan.

Shit, only thing more expensive than getting to Greenland is living there

Yea man, I wanna evacuate to greenland or iceland when crap falls apart. Can you organize a bitcoin community transport?!

rofl where in Greenland are you? I was in Nuuk and Kangerlussuaq and Kulusuk a few months ago.

Fascinating place. The places humanity will go...

this country needs ron paul, or I do truly believe it will collapse within the next 25 years. I am preparing my B.O.B.'s(bug out bags) for myself and my girlfriend, and stocking up on survival essentials, ammunition and practicing survival skills. A couple of friends of mine are forming am militia actually to organize training sessions for our friends and family's interested in learning how to use the land as a resource. If nothing else it will help us be less "fat Americans" and get back into nature.

I dont think the military industrial complex and the corporation raping can continue for another 25 years without people finally starting to get pissed off. I think it is obvious now to anyone who is willing to look at the Obama administration with objective eyes that he is nothing but another puppet of the global elite. The only politician I have any drop of faith in is Ron Paul. We need to get back to protecting individual liberties and states rights and shrinking our military occupation around the world. Our federal government is far too big and is going to crush us all.

Dr. Paul wants to End the Fed, that's end the current fiat system and when asked what would go in its place, his answer was: Leave it to the people to decide.
And as soon as I dig through my piles of Ron Paul interviews I'll post a link.

He has his opinions but he stands for the freedom of the individual and to give BACK the power of governance to the States and no longer to the Federal Army whose original goal was to protect the rights and well being of the States People, not to control the sovereign individuals living there.

Sorta.  More like "serious faith that they are superior by virtue of not having the sort of faith that losers and fools have".

The next time you see a debate about religion in person, watch the alleged atheist carefully.  I'll bet a dollar that he doesn't have any idea what he is talking about.  He probably hasn't ever had a serious thought on the subject, so he isn't expressing that he has considered religion and rejected it.  What he is really expressing is a desire to be seen as the sort of person that rejects religion, because rejecting religion is cool, and he wants to be cool.

I know some actual atheists, people that have put serious thought into the matter.  In general, they know more about theology than I do.  I have a lot of respect for these people.

But for every one of them, I've seen a dozen douchebags in bars that wear designer clothes because they want to be seen as the sort of guy that wears designer clothes, and they talk shit about religion because they want to be seen as the sort of guy that talks shit about religion.  They regurgitate talking points that would insult the intelligence of a bright six year old because for them it isn't about thinking, or debating, it is about saying things that are congruent with the image they want to project.

I hope that clears things up.

Translation:

You've never met anyone that had serious faith in their lack of faith?

Atheism is a form of pantheism.

No, I see how you may find this hard to understand, but atheism is the opposite of faith. I don't have faith in atheism at all. All I need is one simple proof of the existence of the supernatural, that would stand up to the most modest form of impartial scrutiny, and I'm sold. No such proof has ever been produced, though.

Atheism is not the assertion that there is no god. It is the idea that a deity of some kind is not necessary to explain the universe around us, and that the introduction of the deity makes it far more difficult to explain it. Same reason I (and presumably you) don't believe in fairies, djinns, bad ju-ju spirits or the Pachamama.

You've never met anyone that had serious faith in their atheism?

Let me get this straight. So everything is a religion? There is no atheism? Gimme a break!

The problem that I see with most secularists is that they don't see that secularism is just as much a religion as any other.

And I find individual fundamentalist secularists to be at least as annoying as fundamentalist christians or muslims or jews, maybe a bit more.  In aggregate though, they are much worse because it is apparently socially acceptable to loudly display secularism as a status marker in bars.

Ack, the old argument about the Soviet Union and North Korea being atheist.

Are you truly suggesting that the failings of communism had to do with their insistence on open and free enquiry? Is that what was wrong with communism? Is the real problem in North Korea that there are too many opinions being voiced, and that nothing is taken as an article of faith, or on the authority of the "dear leader".

The Soviet and North Korean versions of communism (as well as quite a few others, if not all) are essentially religious systems. In the case of the Soviet Union they did not believe in a supernatural deity, but they sure as hell believed in a long litany of natural ones... you'd typically find them leading he Communist Party.

The North Koreans don't even presume to do away with a supernatural deity. It's called Kim Il Sung. He's been dead for ages, yet he's still the official leader of the country. He has a son, who also has a son... it is, in fact, a Holy Trinity! As Christopher Hitchens so eloquently put it: At least you can fucking die and leave North Korea!

Every other aspect of how those communist systems were and are run is a carbon copy of the most established religions. Their hierarchical nature. Their obedience to the edicts of the "authority". Most importantly, their suppression of free enquiry and open discussion of ideas.

You want to find the counterpart to a theocracy? Don't look for it in the communism of the Soviet Union, North Korea or even Cuba. Go to Sweden instead.

The non-aggression principle can be applied or ignored by both atheists and religious people. There is no monopoly on rationality and life is simply to complex to claim that you are rational on all fronts. Remember one of the least rational and most destructive systems ever was sold as "rational" and run by atheists, unless I've just misread this whole thing about the soviets and they were all closet Catholics.

Currently the truest and most consistent libertarian with any political power is a Christian named Ron Paul.