Topic: Ron Paul: Who's Opposing The Socialists Attack on Capitalism? - page 2. (Read 478 times)

This occurs in collusion with the state. A BIG state with lots of "controls" bureaucracy and meddling, such as Keynesian or the Chicago school. If they can "money print", they have the control of the money. Austrians proposed just using gold almost century ago, but we now also have crypto which can't be tainted neither by state nor private conglomerates. Some people got in early and cashed the benefits (and some were fool to sell at a loss or not hold, etc) so be it, its within their freedom. The coin is out there and can be used. With time its price will slowly stabilize, and go in the deflationary direction, if only because every fiat and even some cryptos go the inflation way...

I think the best way to oppose socialism is education. Lets start here:

💱 Price System | Free Market vs. Government Intervention


"Do nothing" (to the government) is exactly the opposite of socialist thinking. Socialists want the almighty government to meddle in everything, but it turns out they make things WORSE, when they do so. It "sounds" desirable in theory, until you learn how things really work in real life.

My country went down the path of (real) socialist economy, and is now among the worst living conditions on Earth for the vast majority of its citizens (as opposed to a small super rich elite connected to the politicians) Ironically, exactly what the socialists denounce they will "correct" (by force under State intervention), ends causing a much worse situation.

Austrian school economy is powerful against socialism. Most of their rhetoric finds (correctly) flaws in other types of (unfortunately) more popular schools of economy. Ie. Wealth by debt is fast, but produces constant bubbles and recession. That's the economy supported by fractional reserve banking, it is the same economy that keeps Ponzi schemes profitable, after all, there is people getting rich

jes socialists and all those that work for money instead of scamming others with printed money are stupid, the capitalist wins in the end anyway.

seriously why work or fight for financial justice, lets just focus on attention hacks through wars or so called innovation with corrupt indexation systems etc.

plus explain me:

1. how do you want to get people to work without socialism?
2. how do you want people to work and trust into justice of a society without socialism?

are you one of those sorts that want to create a capitalism that forces people into eternal salary slavery?

how about i do that with you how would you like that? i controll the entire money, have all the freedom and you have to hope its valuable.

Socialists are exceptionally stupid. That is Socialism's only strength. The power of stupidity and entitlement in large numbers.

you know this quote?

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."

well thats also the case for capitalism, since someone dominates always the financial market.

nope in socialist societies you also work for money. but socialist societies focus on infrastructure investments, in capitalist societies when no one is opposing it, the capitalists usually just centre the economy on themselves the problem with capitalism is that it is just an attention hack with a bunch of money printers taking power and then trying to controll the financial system and centre it on themselves. like we can see with bitcoin (lambos, moon corrupt cryptocurrency index etc.).

As opposed to working for nothing in a socialist economy?

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If you are lucky... More often than not, when its your turn after 3hrs+ of waiting in line, the bandaids are gone. "Try maybe next week, or try walking some miles to the next health center, they might have some there..." Then at the next center: "The bandaids were stolen, try elsewhere". At another one: "we don't have electricity, center is closed.", etc, etc, etc.

If the government worked as well as advertised there would be no issue - except tyranny. But we don't even get a good product. Look at the VA hospitals.  "They're great." said no one ever.

To those outside the US, VA Hospitals are hospitals for military veterans. The lines are horrendous and there are scandals every few years.

It's easy to provide free health care under socialism.

If you are sick, and get in the line and wait for care, you get a bandaid.

That is very true. Bankers do love Socialism. it allows them to more efficiently siphon off public resources quickly and providing minimal value in return.

something for nothing?

that must be the banksters philosphy because the money they printed is worth almost nothing

I find it can be easily broken down like this...

One party thinks it’s about what you can do for your country. The other party thinks it’s about what your country can do for you.

I’d explain which is which but it’s clearly obvious to anyone, so that isn’t necessary.

nope you are wrong,

you misundertand how capitalism works if its unchallenged, its basically a big attentionhack like bitcoin, that is being used to:


yes capitalists also are forcing their thinking into others, not just socialists, they say if you take this coin its valuable, but you have to do for me something.

us capitalism without foreign imperatives/socialism through kongress, banking system and the populations behavior is just a big scam. they think they just print money and pay to those people that want to work something.

it will reveal itself this way. i dont have any doubts about it.

thats why your beloved bitcoin is in a bear market the fraud of attentionhack printing money and giving it to workers, is basically extemely demotivating for everyone that works.

those that work for money are usually the idiots of the capitalists, since money creates a lot of asymetry.

in fact, in socialist societies there are also capitalists, that print money, and let others work for it. so you cant really say that.

in my oppinion everyone that works for money in a capitalist society ends up as a loser.

Ah, so only 1% can start a shop now? Only 1% can do freelancing? Only 1% can buy stocks, forex or crypto and earn a living from it? Are you still living in late 19th century? I suppose only the wealthy get to ride the train too?

Free healthcare, free education, free housing, free food, free gasoline, where does it end? Why bother working when the State is in the obligation to provide all? And how does that State gets wealth to keep everything running? And who gets to watch that wealth is used according to plan? Oh it all works perfectly, nobody treats it bad because its public ownership... Reality: everyone treats it like garbage "because its not mine, I don't care if it breaks". Now extend that disease to society... What you own you care for, what you don't own you don't care. The "New Man" is not coming, ever. Socialist countries do not freeze in time by choosing, they no longer have the means to renew. If something breaks it might be the last time you had that thing.

In real socialism you do not own anything, and you can't start a shop, it belongs to the State. And only the State decides if a shop there is worth having, and who is going to run it, and what prices should have and what wage you will earn. At the end of it, it would have been better to stay at home than waste your time with such a miserable pay that you end working for free for the State, and sometimes even paying for the "privilege".

The reason you defend socialism is because it sounds so pretty from your theoretical utopian point of view, but you haven't lived in the results from it. You point to free healthcare, but real socialism doesn't end there. It takes everything from you, destroys it, and then blames "others" from all the failures.

Starvation in China's Mao? Imperialists. Starvation in Sung's Korea? Imperialists. Starvation in Castro's Cuba? Imperialists. Yet all the surrounding "capitalist" countries with the "masses of poor exploited workers", happen to be well fed and living worried on things like: When its the next drama episode coming out?, or the new "shiny new toy", will i be able to afford it? Should i get a second part time job to buy it? While someone in the socialist countries wonders if the bar soap will hold for the next year before he/she might (or might not) get to obtain the next one...

When someone mentions me socialism, image of stagnation and misery is what comes to mind. I don't need to imagine it, unlike the theoretical socialists living in wealthy nations like most of you are, all i need to do is go outside...

Why do you think it failed in Venezuela with all that Oil that would make it perfect for the socialist experiment to "finally work"? After all, the others were poor countries and surely couldn't afford those dreams; but Venezuela could right? Nope, they broke the State oil company. The socialist machinery leads to corruption, and a new super elite and wealthy class, this time protected by the state (just like the old monarchies) emerges under the guise of "socialism" while the masses die outside the palace/presidential villa. The irony is that a similar country, with an actual monarchy (The Saudis) actually got much better results. Because unlike real socialism, they didn't mess with the market.

When you lie about the market not being free, its to justify your meddling. This is where the destruction starts. What you don't explain upfront, is that socialism needs to impose and coerce your ideas into others. It is about forcing YOUR thinking into others. In a free society wealth can be redistributed by choice (ie. charity, sponsor, patronage), under socialism, you are ORDERED to surrender your wealth to the State or else...) And sure enough, all wealth is quickly gone, and the hyper giant Socialist state goes bankrupt. But because money is a "capitalist lie", and "inflation does not exist", we add zeroes to the State bank accounts and everything should fix itself... NOT.

The only reason you don't oppose socialism is because you haven't lived in it, period. Leave you life (and money) behind and move to Cuba or North Korea some years and see if you like it. Hey, at least you don't need to pay for healthcare, right? Good, because you might need it soon...

well jes

but the problem in the usa is that businesses cant get stable contracts because the banks can't lend money

if the banks are to complicated and dont lend, or can't lend to anyone except the rich it can severely damage the economy of a freedom egalitarian goal seeking society like the united states.

whats the point living in the united states if you there are only the money earning cattle of the rich feudal elite?

In the end, the free market wins. Socialism always fails, always had, always will.

there is no such thing as a free market. never was, us capitalism was limited by perfectionism, christanity/judaism, and racism. if it would have been free america as a nation would have never existed. everyone would have created his own money

Its always amusing to hear members of the 1% talk about how great capitalism is.  Thats the point.  It makes our lives great at the expense of 99% of the people on the planet...and the planet.

Yeah just like in all of the developed countries with free healthcare....Why would anyone work when they could just go and just get free surgeries over and over for the rest of their life?


In addition to your privilege of being in the 1% and having the means to start your own business, you have no idea what socialism is.  Can't start your own business?  Where did you get that from unless you're talking about private insurance company?

Really. This again. In today's world it would be easy to prove it. Get 100,000 to contribute $100 and you would have a company with 10,000,000 start up capital. That's enough to start something and go through some going pains.

Oh, where do you get this money? Much, much more is spent going to rallies, renting buses, buying food, etc... Spend that money creating a business. Create jobs. Don't exploit your workers. Do something.

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After all, according to you it's so easy to create a business.

Thanks to the free market, there is so much abundance of everything where they grew up, that they think they could live off that and even redistribute the wealth (by force) without worrying about making more.

Unfortunately they don't stop to think that if everyone did the same, no one would produce anything and they too will end up in misery, just like it happened in Venezuela, and earlier with all the failed "real socialism" countries of the former eastern bloc, the Soviet Union, Mao's China, etc.

They didn't even have a concept of what life was in those places, how could they possibly not like the empty promise of socialism: "Everything you need shall be given to you..." Until you do it for real, and there is not enough for everyone, because everyone stopped making wealth, and those who get to decide who gets what under the new "system", end becoming the new untouchable wealthy elite class, which was ironically supposedly going to disappear...


Nobody forced you to sell yourself to others. If you can't find a job, start your own business, something socialism would never let you to do...

In socialism the free market is gone and replaced by a State institution that decides everything from prices, to what you can work in and when, therefore the power to freely choose is taken away from the people and given to the bureaucrats.

Therefore the natural entrepreneurial sense humans develop in free market economies, is replaced by corruption. Simply because in a free society your work provides your needs, but in a socialist society your needs depend on the will of the few chosen to manage the (everyday more limited) things.

So do a "favor" to a bureaucrat (party member, etc), and your family might be able to eat a month... Working under socialism does not provide enough to keep your family fed (despite what pretty slogans or laws they dictate), the system literally forces you into corruption to survive.

If you think capitalists "exploit" you, wait until you feel what being exploited by the State entails...

Something for nothing? You must be talking about capitalists. They make money off the backs of workers.