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Quote from: BillyCoiner on August 25, 2021, 02:56:37 PM

Looks like I was right.

The campaign stopped paying & scammed participants. I’m curious if Royse was in on this scam.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dogepornfinance-isnt-paying-the-bounty-hunters-scammed-400bnb-from-investors-5356115

It's unfortunate but I won't blame Royse for this. And I am not sure if even the scammed amount of tokens were sent, it would have meant anything. Getting worthless tokens is the same as not getting them.

Not much could be done if a project is unable to raise the minimum amount required to get going. A campaign manager can only ensure participants get paid but can't guarantee the project will be a success or failure.

Unfortunate and hopefully Royse will be more cautious picking projects for bounty but I don't think one can blame him for the whole outcome.

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Looks like I was right.

The campaign stopped paying & scammed participants. I’m curious if Royse was in on this scam.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dogepornfinance-isnt-paying-the-bounty-hunters-scammed-400bnb-from-investors-5356115

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 13, 2021, 06:27:14 AM

This whole thing has nothing to do with real escorts nor Doge.

Uh... I'm not so sure about that.

Quote from: LoyceV on July 13, 2021, 06:27:14 AM

@Royse777: totally a missed opportunity, there should have been up to 69 participants instead of 55 Tongue

Nice.

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Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

Shame on you.

I tend to agree, with the OP to some extent. Even though there's nothing to indicate the project is a scam, it should be clear to any rational person it has a snow ball's chance in hell to succeed. The more senior members of the forum, and Royse777 being one, should have a bit more scrutiny to the projects they promote.

From a perspective of ethics and sensibilities, I find the project to be rather misogynistic and tacky. I have nothing against porn, everything in it's own place and for it's own time. The graphics are in poor taste, and they link to a site that's should have an NSFW warning.

Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

DT needs to put neutral trust on Royse777 account.

That's where we differ. My sensibilities are mine, and I have to own them. There's nothing here that would cause me to suspect Royse777 is risky to do business with, regardless of whether we differ on what's appropriate to discuss in polite society.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 12, 2021, 12:18:20 PM

First of all, I will suggest OP use your main account. You shouldn't be in trouble to open a thread against a campaign manager. You have the right to notify the community if you notice something wrong in a project.

In a perfect world, yes.

Quote from: notblox1 on July 12, 2021, 02:29:37 PM

OP why don't you use your main account if you want to criticize Royse for his managerial skills?

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Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

I mean come on, DOGE PORN?

What's wrong with porn? Okay, adding dogs makes it weird. But I'd worry much more about the fact that it looks like the typical ICO pump&dump than the fact that it's about escorts.

Quote from: AB de Royse777 on July 12, 2021, 07:41:19 AM

Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

This shit coin is likely a scam, pump & dump ponzi vehicle.

I would take constructive criticism. If you think so and willing to help out, then please contact me on my telegram - show me the points that I need to take notes and justify.

From what I've seen, I believe about 99.9% of all token-related "projects" are only created to make the creator rich. So without looking into the details, it's a pretty safe bet this one is the same. It's also the reason I've rejected many offers to manage campaigns.
I haven't looked into this enough to know for sure, but it definitely looks like a quacking duck. As a first assumpion: it uses Doge for the hype, and it uses porn for the same reason. This whole thing has nothing to do with real escorts nor Doge.

@Royse777: totally a missed opportunity, there should have been up to 69 participants instead of 55 Tongue

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The last thing I like to do is defend the competition, but there is no case here.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 12, 2021, 11:10:59 AM

Quote from: RapTarX on July 12, 2021, 10:59:29 AM

A campaign manager launching a project doesn’t necessarily mean they are vouching the project.

While that's basically true (IMO; there's a bit of controversy about this), if a campaign manager knows a project to be a scam, then he has an obligation to stop the campaign and alert the community--or not accept the job in the first place. You might find it silly or even offensive, but that doesn't mean Royse777 has done anything wrong.

Perfectly said, As long as Royse took the time to check the team and project out and found they were legitimate, he has done nothing wrong. If in the future he learns they're scamming or going to scam he needs to immediately stop.

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Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

DT needs to put neutral trust on Royse777 account.

Can't accuse and punish a campaign manager with a mix of 'PORN' that's not a good reason to be categorized as 'neutral' or something else.

If you only see 'PORN' and accuse the campaign of 'scam, pump & dump ponzi' it's not ironic, if that's the reason because of 'PORN' then all DT must tag members here: ~~bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1036.msg127554#msg27694~~, improper reason.

OP, who knows the campaign or DOGE PORN tokens are selling well in the crypto market like 'dog doge' in the future.

Managers may be marked as 'neutral or negative' if they promote fraudulent advertisements/websites, embezzle participant tokens, change rules during token distribution for some reason/avoidance, etc.

But in this thread I don't see that, instead I see in the service thread @Royse777 he fell victim to several campaigns he manages leading to fraud, I think it's rare for managers to tell the truth about what happened to their participants, mostly running from reality.

Conclusion: For that there is no reason to harm people just based on the 'PORN' campaign without any evidence of 'scam, pump & dump ponzi' and other things.

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Quote from: RapTarX on July 12, 2021, 11:51:39 AM

You can't simply determine if a token out of thin air is good or not. When project starts ICO aka raising fund, they initially start with token/coin which is simply a token or coin with no value but a lot of promises. They collect fund to build the project.

For a second, it seemed to me that you are an active user of Wikipedia ... since your idea of the ICO mechanics is vague, to put it mildly. The same applies to the "separation of the grains from the chaff", you do not need to have any special knowledge to understand the details of this or that project, simple rationality.

Quote from: RapTarX on July 12, 2021, 10:59:29 AM

A campaign manager launching a project doesn’t necessarily mean they are vouching the project. [...] Apart from that, Royse777 is pretty new in the campaign management. He needs to learn more. That's what I would recommend him. I don’t think a tag is necessary here.

The only thing I agree with is that Royse777 really should think about using the disclaimer in the future. A kind of draw a line between the participants, the manager and the issuers of the token, (because, in my understanding, the campaign manager becomes part of the project when he agrees to a%, or takes payment in tokens). As for the competence of the person discussed here ... let me reply with a quote “Not all those who wander are lost.”

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IMO something that seems offensive in some parts of the world is not necessarily mean it's a scam, and one should be given any sort of neg trust.

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Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 07:29:58 AM

DT needs to put neutral trust on Royse777 account.

Really? Do you also suggest we tag thousands of accounts that have created Announcement and Bounty threads in the altcoin section just because you don't like the name?

If the project is a scam, then I guess you know the drill. Create a scam accusation with information indicating how it's a scam. I don't think @Royse777 would both continuing to promote it over his reputation.

Quote from: notblox1 on July 12, 2021, 02:29:37 PM

OP why don't you use your main account if you want to criticize Royse for his managerial skills?

I guess he doesn't have the balls to do so.

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OP why don't you use your main account if you want to criticize Royse for his managerial skills? Are you afraid of something, so you had to register today just to say this??
This looks like a dumb project he is promoting but we seen much worse crap being promoted in forum without any big complains.

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1. OP provided no valid criticism of the project. Being shocked a project name isn't worth creating an alt account over just so you can throw shit against the wall and see what sticks.

2. Having said that, OP got lucky, because this project is actual diarrhea. Not sure why Royse is managing it.

For example,

Why not just mint 500 trillion tokens then? (still is a ridiculous number)

And this is just gross:

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...why not choose to have a nice time with a columbian girl from our marketplace?

I mean how could they not capitalize "Columbian"... shocking.

3. That renders Royse a run-of-the-mill bounty manager as far as I'm concerned, and that's hardly worth a neutral tag.

OP find some evidence the project is a scam next time before making steep accusations.

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Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 12:53:29 PM

Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 12, 2021, 12:18:20 PM

First of all, I will suggest OP use your main account.

I’d rather not & theymos has already indicated multiple times that it’s perfectly suitable to use an alt account.

That's true
you still seem unsure of your claims that Royse777 is not a good campaign manager, you don’t want to close the possibility of joining his campaigns with your main account.

there is certainly no evidence here that it is a scam or "pump & dump ponzi vehicle". As long as the campaign owners regularly pay the agreed amount, there is no problem here.
whether it will convince you to invest there, is another matter.

Quote from: BillyCoiner on July 12, 2021, 11:20:58 AM

The quality of applicants in this campaign seems extremely low. I’ll be keeping a very close eye on this campaign & can see myself very busy reporting low quality posts by its participants.

that's good, you can occasionally inform us about the progress of the reported posts and deleted them by the admin. Yet I think a serious manager ^{and Royse777 is} will not accept spammers into the campaign just because it may be a funny project name.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on July 12, 2021, 12:18:20 PM

First of all, I will suggest OP use your main account.

I’d rather not & theymos has already indicated multiple times that it’s perfectly suitable to use an alt account.

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First of all, I will suggest OP use your main account. You shouldn't be in trouble to open a thread against a campaign manager. You have the right to notify the community if you notice something wrong in a project. You haven't clarified why Royse777 should get neutral feedback for this campaign. As long as the project does not turn into a scam, the campaign manager shouldn't get any feedback IMO. Regarding Ponzi, I haven't look at it, and pump dump isn't a reason to leaving feedback. So I will suggest please describe more about this project why should down it.

When a campaign is run by a campaign manager mean his reputation will bind with that. So I believe Royse777 is enough experienced in how he should handle his reputation. DT members couldn't or shouldn't tag before you prove the project is a scam. At least provide more solid information on why it should consider a potential or likely scam.

Quote from: hosseinimr93 on July 12, 2021, 11:37:35 AM

In my opinion, it would be better if the manager puts a disclaimer in the topic saying that he/she is only the bounty manager, has no control over the payment, don't know if the tokens will have value in the future and users must join the campaign at their own risk.

Actually, hunters know it very well although it hasn't been mentioned in the thread.

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Quote from: hosseinimr93 on July 12, 2021, 11:37:35 AM

As long as participants are paid with project's tokens, I don't think it solves the problem.
They can create the tokens out of the thin air and give them to a reputable member of the forum as escrow before the campaign. They can even distribute the worthless tokens weekly.

You can't simply determine if a token out of thin air is good or not. When project starts ICO aka raising fund, they initially start with token/coin which is simply a token or coin with no value but a lot of promises. They collect fund to build the project.
Nevertheless, there are campaigns which never pay the shit tokens to their participants even. They don’t escrow the fund as well. This is stupid. Campaign managers should escrow the fund regardless of whether it’s a total shit or not because sometimes when project gets enough fund but refuse to pay the bounty hunters.

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Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 12, 2021, 11:10:59 AM

However, I don't see anything in this case that would indicate that this dogeporn project is a scam. You might find it silly or even offensive, but that doesn't mean Royse777 has done anything wrong.

Correct, as long as it is not proved that a project is a scam, we can't blame the manager.

In my opinion, it would be better if the manager puts a disclaimer in the topic saying that he/she is only the bounty manager, has no control over the payment, don't know if the tokens will have value in the future and users must join the campaign at their own risk.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 12, 2021, 11:10:59 AM

It would be sooo much better if the project owners had put something in escrow to pay those participants instead of the typical arrangement that they went for, which has often screwed over the bounty hunters that have promoted the project.

As long as participants are paid with project's tokens, I don't think it solves the problem.
They can create the tokens out of the thin air and give them to a reputable member of the forum as escrow before the campaign. They can even distribute the worthless tokens weekly.

Even if they pay participants with bitcoin or ethereum, there is no guarantee that the project isn't a scam.

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The quality of applicants in this campaign seems extremely low. I’ll be keeping a very close eye on this campaign & can see myself very busy reporting low quality posts by its participants.

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IMO the name of the coin is a little tacky, and I agree that by running the campaign, the campaign manager is associating his name with the project. I would not go as far as to say the campaign manager is vouching for the project, but he is very clearly associating his name with it.

Royse777 is trying to get his foot in the door of the campaign management business. I guess this means he is taking projects that may be less than desireable for most campaign managers. I would not personally associate myself with this project, but I don't see any ethical issues with someone working on this project.

As a FYI, "signature is misspelled in one of the graphics.

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Quote from: RapTarX on July 12, 2021, 10:59:29 AM

A campaign manager launching a project doesn’t necessarily mean they are vouching the project.

While that's basically true (IMO; there's a bit of controversy about this), if a campaign manager knows a project to be a scam, then he has an obligation to stop the campaign and alert the community--or not accept the job in the first place. However, I don't see anything in this case that would indicate that this dogeporn project is a scam. You might find it silly or even offensive, but that doesn't mean Royse777 has done anything wrong.

Quote from: RapTarX on July 12, 2021, 10:59:29 AM

Royse777 is pretty new in the campaign management. He needs to learn more. That's what I would recommend him. I don’t think a tag is necessary here.

I don't either, and I'd also recommend that he try to determine to the best of his ability if this project is legit or not. Also, this is a bounty, where participants get paid after they've done all the work. It would be sooo much better if the project owners had put something in escrow to pay those participants instead of the typical arrangement that they went for, which has often screwed over the bounty hunters that have promoted the project.

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