Topic: Rumor: Bitmain S9++ (75 Th/s, 1200w) (Read 2629 times)

It's not real, it's a scam.  It may be real some day but that day is at least, minimum, a year away if not more realistically, two or three.

So sayeth the forum.

I would like to know that too. 75TH/S would be a major upgrade over the S9. 3 times.

Very true.

And if a 35 th miner is built by them that uses only 1300 watts they have zero mind you zero financial incentive to sell it to us.  As they have a thriving hash nest business.  And the s-7 makes good money and the s-9 makes more

So if the s-11 was built suscessfully in April they will simply sell s-7 and s9 hash on hashnest while they mine it with the s-11.  They will lower the power a penny or two.  People will buy more s-7 and s-9 hash.

Once it is jan or feb of 2019. They would sell it to us.

And frankly I think it is 100 percent sure they will not have a working 7nm chip faster then Intel since Intel is about 50x the size of bitmain.

I would not even talk about 7nm chips until Intel builds one that works.

Samsung would also come to market ahead of a Ming ASIC chip as the wealth involved is 50xor more then bitmain. .

Hey thanks that was very informative!

Bitmain purchases chips from TSMC foundry Taiwan and by the number of miner batch release dates now bitmain have become one of the major client of TSMC and they to  are taking mining segment very seriously
If you look at TSMC website for the 7 nm nodes segment they have divided that into 2 stratums one for mobile chips and the other for high computing power chips so they are taking mining segment seriously.
Now for the speed for the new model of S9++ or S11 (whatever they name it) we have to calculate the computing power for chips of newer nodes according to TSMC website they have started the tape out of nm 7 nodes in April and by the end of this year they will supply these 7 nm FinFET nodes to more than 10 customers and surely Bitmain is one of them.
Now come to speed of that 7nm miner we know that S9 speed is 14 ths with power consumption of 1372 watts
By looking at the 10 nm nodes efficiency according to TSMC website they are 15 % faster and consumes 35% less power so for a 1300 watt miner the speed would be 14×1.15×1.35 =21.73 Terahash for around 1372 watt miner

And if bitmain decides to skip 10 nm nodes and go straight for 7 nm nodes which I personally think they are planning and to raise funds for that bitmain is also issuing an IPO of 200 million $ in USA the speed of that ultra fast miner would be again according to TSMC website the 7nm nodes are 20% faster than 10 nm nodes and consumes 40% less power so the speed of that miner will be 21.73× 1.2 ×1.4 =36.50 Terahash and that to hypothetically

So 75 Terahash with 1200 watt is not possible

It is not possible for now maybe in 1-2 years.

Yeah I'd say there is 105% chance this 'product' is total BS.  Thanks for confirming as much, I just thought I'd ask around about it.  Wasn't trying to spread BS.

This is not even physically possible.

Current S9 is 16nm chips.  The cutting edge phones from Samsung are now shipping with 10nm chips. 

So best case is 40% increase in hash with same power

I'd say 20TH with 1300w.

They have a long track record of doing absolutely nothing and being a provider of vaporware, so I think the address is simply a placeholder like many other companies that offer similar products. I don't expect much.

I have family that lives near the address they listed in Los Gatos, CA.

I am going to contact them to check out the address. Will report back what they find.

 To be specific, AMD and IBM have "first call" on Global Foundries and the bulk of their capacity due to how Global Foundries came into existence and ended up with all of the ex-AMD and ex-IBM foundries.
 I'm not sure if GF has ANY capacity "for sale" outside of AMD and IBM.

 TSMC - first call seems to be Apple and NVidia (Cisco is SMALL potatoes by their standard and I don't know if they've even bothered moving to 14/16nm yet), possibly other smartphone makers (there ARE no significant GPU makers other than AMD and NVidia any more, Intel would be #3 but they have their own foundry space), then all the small fry like Bitmain.
 Keep in mind that AMD is making ALL of the APUs for both Sony AND Microsoft - that ALONE soaks a lot of foundry capacity given console sales numbers, possibly MORE than AMD GPU and CPU sales combined.

 Samsung - well, themselves first then NVidia (1050/1050ti) then MAYBE whatever is left over (if anything) for small fry.

 Intel pretty much never sells foundry capacity to anyone (rare exceptions for CLOSE partners like Apple for computer-specific stuff, but apparently NOT for their smartphones).

Yep.  Scammers come up with a new one every minute, that's why I was asking about it.

Past history of the speed increases and model releases is irrelevant. It is all about the current cutting-edge node size and for miners that is going to remain at 14/16nm for at least another year if not longer.

In the case of the higher nodes Bitmain and the others were using fab technology that was already a few years old and starting to mature. When the jump to 14/16nm happened that was NOT the case. Bitmain and BitFury jumped in at the bleeding-edge stage where production processes are still being refined. 14/16nm is still a work in progress with usable chips per-wafer yields getting better but still a long ways from what they get from the bigger and now fully mature node sizes.

Reasons why the current miners will be around for a fair bit more have been pointed out in numerous other threads but in short it boils down to
Foundry production capacity. Bitmain, Canaan and all other miner ASIC chip makers are bottom of the queue with AMD, Apple, various GPU makers, and Cisco having first call and the lions share of capacity at TSMC and GloFo. Same with Samsung but they also make chips for their internal usage so guess who is first in line with them...

Yes 10nm is coming on line for cell phone processors but as with the drop to 14/16nm node the primary design goal mainly targets mobile devices and that means low power chips. As in 1-2watts dissipation at most. As was proven with the current chips, yes dropping node size reduces power and size per-gate allowing the placement of more circuits on a chip. Great as far as that goes provided you keep the chip total power requirements very minimal. The problem comes with Bitmain et al trying to pack as many cores as possible into the chip and pushing tech that was intended for low power mobile devices to now work in the realm of more than 10x higher power. The result is what we see with the Bitmain gear: Very high chip temps causing erratic performance and high failure rates. Dropping to a lower size - once it is viable - will have the same result unless they under-utilize the die space (don't pack to the max with cores) to keep power/temps within reason and that rather defeats the whole point.

Aahhhaha, this is the biggest bullshit rumour ever. 

Hey I agree, it does not sound real.

That's why I created this thread and labeled it 'RUMOR', not 'OMG NEW AMAZING WOW'

Talk is cheap so time will tell.

The previous escalation of hash power per new version of Bitmain miner would seem to indicate that 14 -> 75 Th/s is... an extremely big jump but not entirely outside of the realm of possibility.  S5 -> S7 = 410% increase, S7 -> S9 = 300% increase,  S9 -> "Bigfoot" = 500% increase.

So it doesn't seem completely impossible.  Also, they're about due for a new model, based on previous release schedules.

No it is not real.  If it were real   it would be far more expensive then 3000.

and to any one attacking him  about this  you should as it is dumb.

But his dust complaint is not that dumb. 16 btc  in dust is a lot of money.

what happened if btc goes to 9999  it is then 160,000  usd.


and 0.30 plus is being held for 1 person due to kano failing to properly design his website and allow a miner to mine without an address.  for an entire month until the coin grew to .30 btc

I don't understand why I am the only long time miner on kano's pool speaking out that the 0.30 btc not paid to the miner but tracked and held by kano is wrong and it further compounds the 16 btc or maybe 15.7 btc held as dust.

BTW all off topic for this thread which is pretty much a thread on a miner that does not exist and if it did no one would be selling it for only 3000.

S9 - 14th 1600w
S9++ 75th 1200w

Please explain how ANYONE looks at those numbers and goes "yea the ++ might be real"

Allegedly, a Bitmain rep offering to sell me one because my order for an S9 got screwed up and apparently they won't be making any more S9's.  It all sounds very fishy to me, but that was obvious as soon as Bitmain was involved.