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Topic: Running a site legally (OR how to do it and not get a boyfriend?) - page 2. (Read 7165 times)

legendary
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I would keep everything in Bitcoins when running the site.

Remember, Bitcoins isn't real money, it's not even backed by any government!

By keeping everything in Bitcoins, there is technically no money for them to seize. Let the players figure out how to convert it.

You can store them in such a way where if you do get busted you can still have a third party honor all of your players withdrawals.

The only way you will get busted is if you get pretty big and actually start making out pretty good, once that becomes the case you will also be in a better position to defend yourself, especially if your resources can’t be illegally confiscated.

Not only that, but the US government is basically going to have to make the argument that gambling with fake money is somehow illegal, and if that's the case, well, they better go after all of those online MMORPG's that have ways players can gamble fake money.

You might want to add a disclaimer that these are your opinions.  I will add the disclaimer that this probably isn't very good advice.  I will also add that SatoshiDICE does not use the web for its gambling platform.  I can play SatoshiDICE without ever touching their web site or connecting to their servers.  Because of Bitcoin's architecture, it is not technically possible for SatoshiDICE to detect where I am wagering from.
hero member
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I am the one who knocks
Not only that, but the US government is basically going to have to make the argument that gambling with fake money is somehow illegal, and if that's the case, well, they better go after all of those online MMORPG's that have ways players can gamble fake money.

This is a very good point; however I don't really want to be the one to test that in the courts Wink

My guess is that they would start looking at the income (my income) and having me justify it or seize that, saying that it was part of a criminal enterprise.
member
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I would keep everything in Bitcoins when running the site.

Remember, Bitcoins isn't real money, it's not even backed by any government!

By keeping everything in Bitcoins, there is technically no money for them to seize. Let the players figure out how to convert it.

You can store them in such a way where if you do get busted you can still have a third party honor all of your players withdrawals.

The only way you will get busted is if you get pretty big and actually start making out pretty good, once that becomes the case you will also be in a better position to defend yourself, especially if your resources can’t be illegally confiscated.

Not only that, but the US government is basically going to have to make the argument that gambling with fake money is somehow illegal, and if that's the case, well, they better go after all of those online MMORPG's that have ways players can gamble fake money.

“The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me."
-Ayn Rand.
donator
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Gerald Davis
If you are small enough nobody is going to care.  If you get big enough being on foreign soil isn't going to help you the tiniest bit.

http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/
the largest online poker site in the world (at the time the DOD shut them down, issued arrest warrants, revoked passports, and frozen nine figures in bank accounts around the world (w/ the aid of local govts).  BTW "in reim" is a nice way of saying the US govt is asserting that any and all properties (cash, stock, bonds, server, software, patents, shareholder compensation, etc) is all the property of the US govt as proceeds of a criminal enterprise. The fumiest part is the DOJ wants $1 B in damages on top of seizing everything the company owns.

hero member
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I am the one who knocks
So if the US from cloud flare did get the IP and the location of the actual server, as long as it isn't on US soil they can't touch it.

True, but alot of times they will still ask the provider and if they divulge that a person in the US is connected to it......


Anyway why not just make it a tor hidden service. That is a little more protection.

I would actually, except that I think that raises the bar alot.  If you want to make bank on a gaming site then you need to make it as easy as possible to throw their money at you.
hero member
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I am the one who knocks
So I have some ideas that I think could make some BTC; however I am hesitant because of the US Government's hostile attitude toward online gambling combined with bitcoin.

I see that our favorite SatoshiDICE is registered in AU (although it is a .com so the US govt could seize it) and they use cloud flare as a buffer that is all good and what not; however isn't CloudFLARE a US company?  Couldn't they be compelled to release what IP (and therefore the location of) the actual server?

Even sites that are 100% outside the US they don't like.  Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_gambling#United_States, the BetOnSports paragraph.  The guy wasn't even planning on going into the US and they still got him.  Who knows, the plane might have actually be diverted on purpose when it was found out that David Carruthers was on the passenger manifest.

How can one legally put their gaming ideas to work?

Someone in AU want to partner?
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