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I partly agree, but it can't go on for years, Ukraine is simply too exhausted to continue this bloodbath for long. The main resource is soldiers and they're running out of them. You can't replenish killed and wounded troops instantly, not even in 5 or 10 years. You also can't import soldiers. In the few years population of Ukraine has gone down from 40 million to just 15 -20 million. The official estimate (which doesn't include the people who fled the country illegally is as follows:

Many politicians, experts and all sorts of visionaries really believe that the hot phase of Russia’s war in Ukraine should end next year, 2024, around the summer. But they do not connect this with the depletion of Ukraine’s military potential and its inability to conduct military operations. The current Russian aggression against Ukraine has sobered the countries of Europe and the United States so much that they have come to the conclusion that Russia must suffer a military defeat in this war and will continue to provide Ukraine with all possible assistance. And Russia has no chance to resist NATO’s military potential. The countries of Europe, especially Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland, are clearly aware that in the event of a military defeat of Ukraine, they will be next for the Russian invasion and therefore they are ready to provide Ukraine with maximum assistance so as not to fight themselves.

As for the United States, they are already saying that by spending only three percent of their defense budget, they, through the hands of Ukrainians, weakened the military power of Russia, their main potential military rival, by at least half, without losing a single soldier and consider this a good investment of their resources.

At the same time, Russia's military power is far from unlimited. It is already supplying almost a century-old military equipment to the front, taking everything it can from its warehouses, and also purchasing weapons from North Korea and Iran and trying to buy back from the countries the military equipment and weapons it had previously supplied.

In addition, potential human meat for war in the form of Russian conscripts may also rebel and not go to slaughter and die for unknown ideals in another country.
Summer 2024 is almost here.


No U.S. president will stop helping Ukraine, in the fight against Rashism.
And here it may not even be so much about love for Ukraine, or fulfillment of obligations under the Budapest Memorandum, or dislike of Kremlin terrorists. It's all of these things Smiley
Russia today is the key destabilizing factor in the world. it does it both on its own and by its "hand dogs" or friends in military and economic terrorism.
And by the looks of it, Russia is just fed up with it. But there is a nuance. As much as I, a resident of Ukraine, would like to see a real and quick collapse of Russia into a dozen independent, adequate (after a while) countries, this is most likely not going to happen in the near future. Nor will there be a global defeat and destruction of Russia. It sounds cynical, but it is true. The scenario I see now is that the West and some other countries (including China) using the situation want to:
- irreversibly weaken Russia. For the West - to reduce terrorist threats and terrorism as such, because it is no secret that Russia is the "mother of world terrorism" and a key sponsor and ideologue of terrorism on a global scale.  For China - so that Russia would no longer think about changing its status as a raw material appendage and a guinea pig for China.
- But total defeat and collapse into separate countries is not favorable to either the West or China (as the owner of Russia). For the West, there is a risk in the proliferation of nuclear/chemical and other prohibited weapons, which with a non-zero probability will happen at the moment of Russia's collapse. For China - loss of control over regions that historically belong to China or are a zone of China's economic interests. For example, Baikal. Believe me - we will witness new conflicts over.... WATER. And China, being pragmatic and far-seeing, realizes that the problem of fresh water is "not far off".


Therefore, the process of strangulation and degradation of Russia will be somewhat stretched in time. But it is much better than if Rashism was not given any help

PS The fabulous 145 million, of course, it sounds ridiculous. It's like "unparalleled second army of the world" - the same fake Smiley
Objectively there are up to 100 million living there, not for nothing - there is no real census.
At the same time for the last decade, we see "successes of russia" in:
- population decline
- total degradation of regions
- high mortality rate
- low life expectancy, which continues to decline,
- global alcoholism, "leadership" in the spread of AIDS and venereal diseases, tuberculosis,....
- the rise in drug use
- global fertility decline

... and all this, officially recognized, has no effect on the official "population figures". And no one in Russia has any dissonance ! Smiley But at least it has an explanation - it will be necessary to recognize the TRUTH, and this is for Rashism as "incense for devils" Smiley
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I partly agree, but it can't go on for years, Ukraine is simply too exhausted to continue this bloodbath for long. The main resource is soldiers and they're running out of them. You can't replenish killed and wounded troops instantly, not even in 5 or 10 years. You also can't import soldiers. In the few years population of Ukraine has gone down from 40 million to just 15 -20 million. The official estimate (which doesn't include the people who fled the country illegally is as follows:

Many politicians, experts and all sorts of visionaries really believe that the hot phase of Russia’s war in Ukraine should end next year, 2024, around the summer. But they do not connect this with the depletion of Ukraine’s military potential and its inability to conduct military operations. The current Russian aggression against Ukraine has sobered the countries of Europe and the United States so much that they have come to the conclusion that Russia must suffer a military defeat in this war and will continue to provide Ukraine with all possible assistance. And Russia has no chance to resist NATO’s military potential. The countries of Europe, especially Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland, are clearly aware that in the event of a military defeat of Ukraine, they will be next for the Russian invasion and therefore they are ready to provide Ukraine with maximum assistance so as not to fight themselves.

As for the United States, they are already saying that by spending only three percent of their defense budget, they, through the hands of Ukrainians, weakened the military power of Russia, their main potential military rival, by at least half, without losing a single soldier and consider this a good investment of their resources.

At the same time, Russia's military power is far from unlimited. It is already supplying almost a century-old military equipment to the front, taking everything it can from its warehouses, and also purchasing weapons from North Korea and Iran and trying to buy back from the countries the military equipment and weapons it had previously supplied.

In addition, potential human meat for war in the form of Russian conscripts may also rebel and not go to slaughter and die for unknown ideals in another country.
Summer 2024 is almost here.
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In July 2023, Reuters reported that due to the refugee outpouring into Western Europe, the population of Kyiv-controlled areas may have decreased to as low as 28 million


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

Main reasons for this: refugees (both official un unofficial), soldiers killed/wounded/missing in action, Russia-annexed territories (Crimea/Donbas).

Just to compare: Russia has around 145.000.000 people.

So I predict the war will come to an end in 2024, one way or another. Either Russia will win on the battlefield or Ukraine leaders (US sockpuppets) will start thinking reasonably and sign a peace treaty. It will be painful for Ukraine in any case because they will lose either their army and people (possibly also independence) or Eastern territories. Any logically thinking leader would choose the 2nd option but Zelensky can't do it as he is supervised from the other side of the pond.

Sowing the fields of Ukraine with the corpses of Russian soldiers and a huge amount of equipment - Russia will not win. Remember the Second World War, when the USSR also tried to throw meat on its yesterday's brothers in the destruction of the world - Nazi Germany?  Until the moment when huge supplies of western aid, from buttons to airplanes, began, the army of the ussr was losing, and the nazis were already standing at the borders of the capital.
Now no one will help russia except a couple of bastard regimes Smiley And stocks of bipedal consumables are also not unlimited, especially there are no 145 million inhabitants in Russia, no matter how the propaganda tries Smiley. So you can tell your neighbors in the ward about your fantasies about the victory of a terrorist country Smiley
But regarding puppets, here I agree, I do not exclude the option that China will order its puppet, Russia, to stop the war, this option is really possible ...

News about economy: Russia offered 32 million hectares of Siberia for grain for China. Having failed to persuade China to increase gas supplies and build the Power of Siberia-2 pipeline, Russian President Vladimir Putin offered China...Russia's land Smiley

Probably not for nothing Russia is giving China millions of hectares for Chinese grain ? Smiley The sale of Russian land to its owner has begun or "native Chinese lands are returning to their native harbor" Smiley

News about population: Rosstat has predicted a reduction in the population of Russia by 8 million people.
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Yesterday, October 19, there was one of the most ambitious battles in the Russian-Ukrainian war, which took place near Avdiivka and which Russia lost.
 
I will quote almost verbatim one of the participants in the event:
“Yesterday it really was hell. I talked to the guys, and they said that they had never seen anything like this anywhere, even near Bakhmut, even in Zaporozhye. This had never happened anywhere. The Russians were attacking wave after wave. They used everything, everything in general: tanks and artillery, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, Grads, aviation, drones, missiles, infantry... There were so many tanks that the minimum column was 5 vehicles, and the maximum - 30. They drove up, took a position and began to hit. The guys destroyed them... And very successfully This was one of the biggest battles that the Russians lost. They considered this battle extremely important for themselves... When yesterday there was the twentieth or thirtieth wave of tanks, one of the officers said: “What is this, ..., the Kursk Bulge”? ... "The Russians gathered a strike fist and threw it at Avdeevka, and then our guys did an incredible job... This is a feat. It was impossible, but they did it"

According to the morning report of the General Staff, yesterday the Russian Armed Forces suffered almost record losses: 55 tanks, 120 armored vehicles, 1,380 Russians. Most of these losses were suffered by the enemy in the battle for Avdeevka.
https://www.dialog.ua/war/283270_1697798267/amp
I am not sure how long this could go on but it looks like one day Russia gets a place and another day Ukraine takes it back and it just goes on like that forever. While Russia may feel a bit more comfortable with losing soldiers, which is basically how they won the world war two by letting Germany kill the Russians a lot more and still throw bodies at the situation, at the end Germany lost less people and still lost the war, they are doing the same thing here. They could lose 100 people to every single Ukrainian and still win this war, and that seems like their solution and this isn't regarding Russian land, it is at Ukraine so Ukraine can't really give up neither and it just goes on like that for years now.

I do not know what we are going to see in the end, but it looks like it is not going to be over easily, it is going to take some time. Hopefully, we could see it do a lot better on the long run and we could end up with a peace solution that makes it end.

I partly agree, but it can't go on for years, Ukraine is simply too exhausted to continue this bloodbath for long. The main resource is soldiers and they're running out of them. You can't replenish killed and wounded troops instantly, not even in 5 or 10 years. You also can't import soldiers. In the few years population of Ukraine has gone down from 40 million to just 15 -20 million. The official estimate (which doesn't include the people who fled the country illegally is as follows:

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In July 2023, Reuters reported that due to the refugee outpouring into Western Europe, the population of Kyiv-controlled areas may have decreased to as low as 28 million


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

Main reasons for this: refugees (both official un unofficial), soldiers killed/wounded/missing in action, Russia-annexed territories (Crimea/Donbas).

Just to compare: Russia has around 145.000.000 people.

So I predict the war will come to an end in 2024, one way or another. Either Russia will win on the battlefield or Ukraine leaders (US sockpuppets) will start thinking reasonably and sign a peace treaty. It will be painful for Ukraine in any case because they will lose either their army and people (possibly also independence) or Eastern territories. Any logically thinking leader would choose the 2nd option but Zelensky can't do it as he is supervised from the other side of the pond.
legendary
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Yesterday, October 19, there was one of the most ambitious battles in the Russian-Ukrainian war, which took place near Avdiivka and which Russia lost.
 
I will quote almost verbatim one of the participants in the event:
“Yesterday it really was hell. I talked to the guys, and they said that they had never seen anything like this anywhere, even near Bakhmut, even in Zaporozhye. This had never happened anywhere. The Russians were attacking wave after wave. They used everything, everything in general: tanks and artillery, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, Grads, aviation, drones, missiles, infantry... There were so many tanks that the minimum column was 5 vehicles, and the maximum - 30. They drove up, took a position and began to hit. The guys destroyed them... And very successfully This was one of the biggest battles that the Russians lost. They considered this battle extremely important for themselves... When yesterday there was the twentieth or thirtieth wave of tanks, one of the officers said: “What is this, ..., the Kursk Bulge”? ... "The Russians gathered a strike fist and threw it at Avdeevka, and then our guys did an incredible job... This is a feat. It was impossible, but they did it"

According to the morning report of the General Staff, yesterday the Russian Armed Forces suffered almost record losses: 55 tanks, 120 armored vehicles, 1,380 Russians. Most of these losses were suffered by the enemy in the battle for Avdeevka.
https://www.dialog.ua/war/283270_1697798267/amp
I am not sure how long this could go on but it looks like one day Russia gets a place and another day Ukraine takes it back and it just goes on like that forever. While Russia may feel a bit more comfortable with losing soldiers, which is basically how they won the world war two by letting Germany kill the Russians a lot more and still throw bodies at the situation, at the end Germany lost less people and still lost the war, they are doing the same thing here. They could lose 100 people to every single Ukrainian and still win this war, and that seems like their solution and this isn't regarding Russian land, it is at Ukraine so Ukraine can't really give up neither and it just goes on like that for years now.

I do not know what we are going to see in the end, but it looks like it is not going to be over easily, it is going to take some time. Hopefully, we could see it do a lot better on the long run and we could end up with a peace solution that makes it end.
legendary
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1. Where is the information about 7-8 waves of mobilization in this flock?
To be more precise, I already mentioned above: it's not even going in waves - it's non-stop. It's 7 or 8 times they are amending the law adding new groups subject to conscription: old people, people with serious chronic diseases, mentally retarded, women etc...  

Quote from: DrBeer
2. An article about the fact that there are draft dodgers who do not want to defend their country. This is a fact, it's stupid to deny. As they say, “every family has its black sheep.” But let’s compare the scale of flight from mobilization in Ukraine and from “heroic Russia”.
Surprisingly, in your family, the number of "black sheep" is astounding:
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It is believed that tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have left the country illegally since the full-scale war with Russia started last February, many by paying bribes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

Quote from: DrBeer
3. Can you tell me for one thing - where did the “second army of the world” of almost 250,000 heads that entered Ukraine in February 2022 disappear?
Hmmm.... where did they go? Perhaps they're fighting AFU in Donbas now? Or your army is fighting with ghosts?  Grin Grin Grin

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And then there was Putin’s “мoгилизaция”, then they recruited 50,000 more criminals, then they drove out contract soldiers, and now the bald Fuhrer signed another call for 150,000 future corpses, and approved a budget for “funeral” payments for 100,000 of his slaves Smiley
I already debunked this lie many times, why do you keep mentioning it over and over again? In Russia there is a planned conscription going on every year. The conscripts are not going to Ukraine. I guess this is why you keep repeating your lie:
“IF YOU TELL A BIG ENOUGH LIE AND TELL IT FREQUENTLY ENOUGH, IT WILL BE BELIEVED” Adolf Hitler  Grin



 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

The situation looks funny and pathetic when a seemingly adult person, not born with anencephaly, tries to lie in a primitive and stupid way, only to hide the truth Smiley

Let's start with something simple:
1. Show me 7-8 amendments to the law and the ongoing mobilization in Ukraine? Smiley

Enough for you to shit yourself, once again or shall we continue? Smiley

Well, ok, apparently you love mental masochism, let's continue Smiley

2. About the “white crows” - give the indicators? You declare that there are “SO MANY” of them! Smiley

3. And what’s in the article? Smiley Well, give me some excerpts, just for everyone, let’s discuss? Smiley And for one thing, tell me how many Russian citizens left the country as a terrorist - Russia, after 2022/02?
Well, let me explain to you - “tens of thousands” (although there is no evidence or facts in the article - just assumptions) - these are not millions who fled from Russia, where there is NO WAR, but simply out of cowardice Smiley

4. How can corpses lying in the ground fight in the Donetsk region of Ukraine? Smiley Have you watched the zombie movie? And let’s just say this: during the terrorist attack on Ukraine, Russia brought in approximately 200,000 regular army troops. And... already in the fall of 2022 there was an OFFICIAL collection of another 300,000 consumables, and hysterical attempts to recruit criminals - this didn’t happen? Smiley

And about the conscription and the fact that conscripts are not sent to be slaughtered in Ukraine: I communicate with friends who are destroying terrorists in the east in the region - and why are the relatives of the “conscripts” screaming all over the public pages, who suddenly began to come home in plastic bags, although Putin promised that they won't go anywhere?! Putin never lies, right? !  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Well, just about the successes in Russia and the world economy:
- Putin demanded to stop the flight of athletes abroad
- The European Union agreed to purchase Qatari gas instead of Russian gas for decades (“goodbye unwashed Russia”)
- Putin demanded the revival of Stalinist sports parades on Red Square (we need some kind of show to distract the biomass from the extinction of the country)
- The State Duma proposed allowing those convicted of especially serious crimes to work as teachers (the Kremlin’s pedophile lobby in all its glory)
- European gas prices fall: inventories, LNG supplies ease supply worries
- The manager of KFC announced a shortage of chicken meat in Russia (but there is an unlimited number of roosters in the Russian army)
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1. Where is the information about 7-8 waves of mobilization in this flock?
To be more precise, I already mentioned above: it's not even going in waves - it's non-stop. It's 7 or 8 times they are amending the law adding new groups subject to conscription: old people, people with serious chronic diseases, mentally retarded, women etc...  

Quote from: DrBeer
2. An article about the fact that there are draft dodgers who do not want to defend their country. This is a fact, it's stupid to deny. As they say, “every family has its black sheep.” But let’s compare the scale of flight from mobilization in Ukraine and from “heroic Russia”.
Surprisingly, in your family, the number of "black sheep" is astounding:
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It is believed that tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have left the country illegally since the full-scale war with Russia started last February, many by paying bribes.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

Quote from: DrBeer
3. Can you tell me for one thing - where did the “second army of the world” of almost 250,000 heads that entered Ukraine in February 2022 disappear?
Hmmm.... where did they go? Perhaps they're fighting AFU in Donbas now? Or your army is fighting with ghosts?  Grin Grin Grin

Quote from: DrBeer
And then there was Putin’s “мoгилизaция”, then they recruited 50,000 more criminals, then they drove out contract soldiers, and now the bald Fuhrer signed another call for 150,000 future corpses, and approved a budget for “funeral” payments for 100,000 of his slaves Smiley
I already debunked this lie many times, why do you keep mentioning it over and over again? In Russia there is a planned conscription going on every year. The conscripts are not going to Ukraine. I guess this is why you keep repeating your lie:
“IF YOU TELL A BIG ENOUGH LIE AND TELL IT FREQUENTLY ENOUGH, IT WILL BE BELIEVED” Adolf Hitler  Grin
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Yesterday, October 19, there was one of the most ambitious battles in the Russian-Ukrainian war, which took place near Avdiivka and which Russia lost.
 
I will quote almost verbatim one of the participants in the event:
“Yesterday it really was hell. I talked to the guys, and they said that they had never seen anything like this anywhere, even near Bakhmut, even in Zaporozhye. This had never happened anywhere. The Russians were attacking wave after wave. They used everything, everything in general: tanks and artillery, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, Grads, aviation, drones, missiles, infantry... There were so many tanks that the minimum column was 5 vehicles, and the maximum - 30. They drove up, took a position and began to hit. The guys destroyed them... And very successfully This was one of the biggest battles that the Russians lost. They considered this battle extremely important for themselves... When yesterday there was the twentieth or thirtieth wave of tanks, one of the officers said: “What is this, ..., the Kursk Bulge”? ... "The Russians gathered a strike fist and threw it at Avdeevka, and then our guys did an incredible job... This is a feat. It was impossible, but they did it"

According to the morning report of the General Staff, yesterday the Russian Armed Forces suffered almost record losses: 55 tanks, 120 armored vehicles, 1,380 Russians. Most of these losses were suffered by the enemy in the battle for Avdeevka.
https://www.dialog.ua/war/283270_1697798267/amp
legendary
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Earlier, I wrote that in Ukraine the Russian professional invasion army, which crossed the border of Ukraine in February 2022 and numbered approximately 200 thousand people, was almost completely destroyed.

According to Forbes, with reference to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in 2022 Russia lost 106,720 soldiers killed. Casualty casualties are usually estimated at a third. That is, the total losses of the Russians could be about 400,000. This suggests that the invading army was lost in the first year of the big war.
However, Russia in 2022 mobilized more than 500,000 Russians, about 60,000 residents of the occupied territory of ORDLO and about 50,000 prisoners. In fact, the size of the Russian army has only increased since the autumn “partial mobilization”.
https://forbes.ua/ru/war-in-ukraine/viyskovi-resursi-voroga-skilki-rosiya-mozhe-pidtrimuvati-viynu-v-ukraini-rozbir-forbes-17082023-15466

Russia still has a large reserve of “cannon fodder” and this is what gives it the opportunity to attack now in the Avdeevka area and other places. But these attacks have not yet had any significant success and only lead to large losses in manpower and equipment.

I talk to the guys who are now at the front, they say yes - there is a lot of MEAT, but... Somewhere around the time of Bakhmut and Wagner, the overall quality of training of Russian “consumables” had noticeably sagged. The concept of the terrorist army is now simple - a lot of artillery, to wear out the barrels, if there is aviation, then a meat assault. It turned out ok, no - they roll back, and again prepare, wait for reinforcements and so on in waves... Near Avdeevka, the picture is close to Bakhmut in the fields with corpses and burnt equipment of Russian terrorists...
  By the way, about artillery barrels - this is a big problem in the army of terrorists, because... they use a lot of old tools, and there are almost no replacements; Russian industry is not able to produce even nails high-quality barrels...

But if we return to the topic of economics - imagine how many EMPTY expenses the economy of a terrorist country has - to collect consumables, provide people with minimal ammunition, weapons, training, and then “death payments”... The wildest costs for maintaining and servicing these meat attacks, constant collection " consumables", logistics expenses, then payments for destruction... They take this into account in their GDP, but... this is not Gross Product, this is actually Gross Losses...
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For the fourth day now, [b
Russia has been launching one of the largest attacks in eastern Ukraine[/b] in the area of Avdiivka, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ line of defense has been located since 2014. That is, for nine years the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been holding the defense there against attacking Russian soldiers, and they regularly fertilize Ukrainian black soils. Thus, according to official data from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over the last three days, since October 10, the Russian occupation army has lost 2,840 of its troops (total 285,920), 102 tanks (total 4,931) and 184 armored vehicles (total 9,313). During this period, at the cost of these losses, they temporarily captured a little more than four square kilometers of Ukrainian fields and forest plantations. Another couple of months of such victorious attacks and Russia itself will successfully demilitarize.
That's pretty weird as you claim that you have destroyed the entire Russian army, Russia ran out of missiles in March 2022 (they ran out of washing machine chips as well), ruble is worth nothing, gas and oil are not selling, Putin is dying of cancer twice a day every day and then suddenly Russia is resuming the offensive? Don't you think that's weird?  Grin

Earlier, I wrote that in Ukraine the Russian professional invasion army, which crossed the border of Ukraine in February 2022 and numbered approximately 200 thousand people, was almost completely destroyed.

According to Forbes, with reference to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in 2022 Russia lost 106,720 soldiers killed. Casualty casualties are usually estimated at a third. That is, the total losses of the Russians could be about 400,000. This suggests that the invading army was lost in the first year of the big war.
However, Russia in 2022 mobilized more than 500,000 Russians, about 60,000 residents of the occupied territory of ORDLO and about 50,000 prisoners. In fact, the size of the Russian army has only increased since the autumn “partial mobilization”.
https://forbes.ua/ru/war-in-ukraine/viyskovi-resursi-voroga-skilki-rosiya-mozhe-pidtrimuvati-viynu-v-ukraini-rozbir-forbes-17082023-15466

Russia still has a large reserve of “cannon fodder” and this is what gives it the opportunity to attack now in the Avdeevka area and other places. But these attacks have not yet had any significant success and only lead to large losses in manpower and equipment.
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Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

And remember they're now accepting retarded people so you will be conscripted too! Btw, why are you still at home?  Roll Eyes

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1. Where is the information about 7-8 waves of mobilization in this flock?
2. An article about the fact that there are draft dodgers who do not want to defend their country. This is a fact, it's stupid to deny. As they say, “every family has its black sheep.” But let’s compare the scale of flight from mobilization in Ukraine and from “heroic Russia”.
3. Can you tell me for one thing - where did the “second army of the world” of almost 250,000 heads that entered Ukraine in February 2022 disappear? Everything probably went according to plan, right? Smiley
And then there was Putin’s “мoгилизaция”, then they recruited 50,000 more criminals, then they drove out contract soldiers, and now the bald Fuhrer signed another call for 150,000 future corpses, and approved a budget for “funeral” payments for 100,000 of his slaves Smiley
4. Regarding some limited ones - as I understand it, the real problem is with your limited mental abilities, which you successfully confirm over and over again in front of everyone Smiley Read the documentation carefully, then look in the mirror and tell yourself in the eyes - who you are Smiley

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Let's see what's new in the "great race", oh, the miserable rogue country Smiley

- The Russian government in the budget for 2024 increased the amount of funds for monthly compensation to the families of military personnel killed in Ukraine. The publication "We can explain", having analyzed the draft federal budget for 2024-2026, claims that the funds were laid down at the rate of 100,000 dead. Out of 150,000 mobilization, 2 out of 3 will die. According to statistics, for every 1 killed in the course of combat operations, there is 1 cripple and 2-3 wounded. Just do the math. Oh yes, and remember - in Russia lies are the basis of governance, so 100,000 is about 2-3 times underestimated Smiley

- IT-specialists began to be drafted into the army, despite deferrals
In Russia, cases of IT-company employees being drafted into the army for compulsory military service have become more frequent, despite the deferments provided for by law, lawyers defending the rights of conscripts told Kommersant.
According to the procedure in force since 2022, accredited IT companies send lists of employees between the ages of 18 and 27 to the Ministry of Finance via the Gosuservices portal no later than 50 calendar days before the draft. The Ministry checks the lists and sends them to the Ministry of Defense, which issues deferrals, recalled Alexey Vinokurov, a partner at the Legal Assistance law agency Alexei Vinokurov.

That's what state services are for - to catch consumables Smiley

- Russia will not receive its assets blocked in Western countries until it pays for the damage caused to Ukraine. This is stated in a statement following a meeting of finance ministers and central bank governors of the G7 countries. The G7 is also determined to finance Ukraine with the proceeds from Russian funds.

- Faced with the reluctance of big businesses to sell foreign currency proceeds, the government decided to set up a system for monitoring currency transactions to keep an eye on capital outflows from Russia. Everything is so good that you have to catch every dollar so that they don't take it out Smiley

- Despite all the measures of the authorities, price growth does not want to slow down, according to Rosstat data. In September, inflation amounted to 0.87%, or exactly 6% in annual terms - this is noticeably more than analysts expected, based on weekly data.

Muahaha and your sources are? Your wet dreams as always?  Grin

Just to remind you that mobilization in Ukraine has been going on since February 24 last year non stop! Nice read:

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In the first weeks after the invasion, hundreds of thousands of ordinary Ukrainians volunteered to serve at the front in an explosion of patriotism that helped keep the country independent and fight off the initial attack.

More than a year later, however, many of those initial recruits are now dead, wounded or simply exhausted, and the army needs new recruits to fill the ranks. By now, most of those who want to fight have already signed up, leaving the military to recruit among a much more reluctant pool of men.

Fathers of more than three children, people with disabilities and those working in strategically important jobs are exempt from the draft, but everyone else is expected to join up if called. Crews of mobilisation officers roam the streets and sometimes go door to door to hand out notices. Viral videos show officers bundling men into vans to deposit them at enlistment offices.


Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/15/bribes-and-hiding-at-home-the-ukrainian-men-trying-to-avoid-conscription

And remember they're now accepting retarded people so you will be conscripted too! Btw, why are you still at home?  Roll Eyes
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Instead of a thousand words of propaganda, you can look at a real map of military operations, the link is below, the chronology is easy to observe.
- Wait, really? It's a Ukrainian map?  Grin I knew you are retarded! Rule #1: never use ANY information provided by any side of the conflict. The reason is that such info is 100% propaganda.

- BS, there have already been like 7-8 mobilization "waves" in Ukraine. What about all those videos of people being caught and conscripted right in the streets? Staged, right?   Grin
Meawhile Russia is planning to release their conscripts from service as there is no need for them - too many people willing to serve with a contract.

- No sources, as usual? I'm kinda got used to it.  Grin

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100500 waves of mobilization, and drafted about 8.289.098.751 Ukrainians (and that's only from one small town ) against one Putin with a gun, who easily took over the whole Ukraine in 2-3 weeks Smiley

Do you really think that linking to materials will fix your mental defects ? Honestly, no offense ? A map of Ukraine is not a map of Ukraine. You invented 7-8 waves of mobilization. I've been saying for a long time - you just need attention, you can't get intelligent thoughts from you Smiley. Do you have some complexes and lack of attention from others ? Although I understand - who will keep in touch with such a person?!

Okay, once again we will leave aside your mental diarrhea ?!! Smiley

Let's see what's new in the "great race", oh, the miserable rogue country Smiley

- The Russian government in the budget for 2024 increased the amount of funds for monthly compensation to the families of military personnel killed in Ukraine. The publication "We can explain", having analyzed the draft federal budget for 2024-2026, claims that the funds were laid down at the rate of 100,000 dead. Out of 150,000 mobilization, 2 out of 3 will die. According to statistics, for every 1 killed in the course of combat operations, there is 1 cripple and 2-3 wounded. Just do the math. Oh yes, and remember - in Russia lies are the basis of governance, so 100,000 is about 2-3 times underestimated Smiley

- IT-specialists began to be drafted into the army, despite deferrals
In Russia, cases of IT-company employees being drafted into the army for compulsory military service have become more frequent, despite the deferments provided for by law, lawyers defending the rights of conscripts told Kommersant.
According to the procedure in force since 2022, accredited IT companies send lists of employees between the ages of 18 and 27 to the Ministry of Finance via the Gosuservices portal no later than 50 calendar days before the draft. The Ministry checks the lists and sends them to the Ministry of Defense, which issues deferrals, recalled Alexey Vinokurov, a partner at the Legal Assistance law agency Alexei Vinokurov.

That's what state services are for - to catch consumables Smiley

- Russia will not receive its assets blocked in Western countries until it pays for the damage caused to Ukraine. This is stated in a statement following a meeting of finance ministers and central bank governors of the G7 countries. The G7 is also determined to finance Ukraine with the proceeds from Russian funds.

- Faced with the reluctance of big businesses to sell foreign currency proceeds, the government decided to set up a system for monitoring currency transactions to keep an eye on capital outflows from Russia. Everything is so good that you have to catch every dollar so that they don't take it out Smiley

- Despite all the measures of the authorities, price growth does not want to slow down, according to Rosstat data. In September, inflation amounted to 0.87%, or exactly 6% in annual terms - this is noticeably more than analysts expected, based on weekly data.
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Instead of a thousand words of propaganda, you can look at a real map of military operations, the link is below, the chronology is easy to observe.
Wait, really? It's a Ukrainian map?  Grin I knew you are retarded! Rule #1: never use ANY information provided by any side of the conflict. The reason is that such info is 100% propaganda.
By criticizing others, however, you completely repeat the Russian propaganda manuals about the victories of the Russian occupation army in Ukraine. Therefore, I believe that there is nothing wrong with reporting official news and statistics from one of the warring parties here. And we will compare how different they were from reality after the end of this stupid and bloody war.
Please quote me saying something about "victories of Russian army". Like 2 or 3 quotes will be nice. Perhaps it's amnesia for I can't recall saying something like that. As to me mentioning the uncomfortable facts that you don't like to see, that's not my problem. That's your problem that your propaganda-infested brain can't accept reality.  Grin 

Quote from: Argoo
For the fourth day now, [b
Russia has been launching one of the largest attacks in eastern Ukraine[/b] in the area of Avdiivka, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ line of defense has been located since 2014. That is, for nine years the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been holding the defense there against attacking Russian soldiers, and they regularly fertilize Ukrainian black soils. Thus, according to official data from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over the last three days, since October 10, the Russian occupation army has lost 2,840 of its troops (total 285,920), 102 tanks (total 4,931) and 184 armored vehicles (total 9,313). During this period, at the cost of these losses, they temporarily captured a little more than four square kilometers of Ukrainian fields and forest plantations. Another couple of months of such victorious attacks and Russia itself will successfully demilitarize.
That's pretty weird as you claim that you have destroyed the entire Russian army, Russia ran out of missiles in March 2022 (they ran out of washing machine chips as well), ruble is worth nothing, gas and oil are not selling, Putin is dying of cancer twice a day every day and then suddenly Russia is resuming the offensive? Don't you think that's weird?  Grin

BTW, they're waiting for you in the East! Why are you still here? It's time to join the glorious AFU and kick some pathetic Russian ass! Don't you think so?  Grin
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Does anybody even play by the rules? Nobody is religiously interested with the rules. Opposing parties in conflicts only cry foul if it's them that are the underdogs or the victims, but if they've got the upper hand, the rules are nothing. They're easily brushed off. International laws, rules, agreements, and the like are relevant only if they're beneficial. They're only cited by parties for their own convenience. But if those rules only hinder their plans, they won't mind those.

This is true to both the US and its allies and Russia and Palestine and the rest.
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Instead of a thousand words of propaganda, you can look at a real map of military operations, the link is below, the chronology is easy to observe.
Wait, really? It's a Ukrainian map?  Grin I knew you are retarded! Rule #1: never use ANY information provided by any side of the conflict. The reason is that such info is 100% propaganda.
By criticizing others, however, you completely repeat the Russian propaganda manuals about the victories of the Russian occupation army in Ukraine. Therefore, I believe that there is nothing wrong with reporting official news and statistics from one of the warring parties here. And we will compare how different they were from reality after the end of this stupid and bloody war.

For the fourth day now, Russia has been launching one of the largest attacks in eastern Ukraine in the area of Avdiivka, where the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ line of defense has been located since 2014. That is, for nine years the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been holding the defense there against attacking Russian soldiers, and they regularly fertilize Ukrainian black soils. Thus, according to official data from the Armed Forces of Ukraine, over the last three days, since October 10, the Russian occupation army has lost 2,840 of its troops (total 285,920), 102 tanks (total 4,931) and 184 armored vehicles (total 9,313). During this period, at the cost of these losses, they temporarily captured a little more than four square kilometers of Ukrainian fields and forest plantations. Another couple of months of such victorious attacks and Russia itself will successfully demilitarize.
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Instead of a thousand words of propaganda, you can look at a real map of military operations, the link is below, the chronology is easy to observe.
Wait, really? It's a Ukrainian map?  Grin I knew you are retarded! Rule #1: never use ANY information provided by any side of the conflict. The reason is that such info is 100% propaganda.

Quote from: DrBeer
Of course, I understand - Russia is accustomed to “meat assaults” hiding behind the concept “women are still giving birth,” because in Russia there is no such value as human life - they will throw for slaughter as much as the crazy Kremlin dwarf says. In Ukraine, people are one of the highest values. Yes, our soldiers also die, but they defend their country from terrorists, and they are not forced to break through, simply because they need to create a “positive picture.” There is a slow, systematic destruction of terrorists virtually along the entire front. Yes, it’s difficult, but the goals are achieved.
Cut the crap! Talking about "meat waves" AFU is an absolute leader. How many soldiers were killed in the South? Have you got the numbers? Telegram is plagued with videos of AFU soldiers being destroyed while attacking Russian positions. And there are very few vehicles around - mostly they are attacking on foot and in many cases even without ammo! Real life cannon fodder!  Shocked

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Another indicator is that there is no regular mass mobilization in Ukraine. Unlike the country with the “second army of the world”, where its under-fuhrer has already signed a new order on a new open mobilization, and is also collecting criminals from all prisons for the Wagner PMC, deceiving himself with the hope of salvation Smiley
BS, there have already been like 7-8 mobilization "waves" in Ukraine. What about all those videos of people being caught and conscripted right in the streets? Staged, right?   Grin

Meawhile Russia is planning to release their conscripts from service as there is no need for them - too many people willing to serve with a contract.

Quote from: DrBeer
And some news from a terrorist country:
- “We are in slavery here.” At one of Gazprom's largest fields, wage delays and worker riots began
- The authorities classified Putin’s decree on the mandatory sale of foreign currency earnings and the list of exporters
- The Russian Federation’s reserves decreased over the week due to revaluation by $5.6 billion to $562.8 billion
- Gazprom reported a record-breaking collapse in gas production
No sources, as usual? I'm kinda got used to it.  Grin
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Anyway, regarding the BS you're posting here: AFU were close to Tokmak (10-15km) already back in August! So it means there's no moving forward. Russian defence lines are located near the village of Rabotyne, that's where the AFU is now, so it's not even confirmed they pierced the first line of defence, just barely reached it. Which means the whole counter-offensive is a failure, leading to catastrophic loss of life. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers were destroyed in this useless bloodbath. Oh, and btw, artillery range is much further than 12-16km so AFU can actuallly reach Tokmak from the area of Robotyne of even further away.  Grin

Instead of a thousand words of propaganda, you can look at a real map of military operations, the link is below, the chronology is easy to observe.

Of course, I understand - Russia is accustomed to “meat assaults” hiding behind the concept “women are still giving birth,” because in Russia there is no such value as human life - they will throw for slaughter as much as the crazy Kremlin dwarf says. In Ukraine, people are one of the highest values. Yes, our soldiers also die, but they defend their country from terrorists, and they are not forced to break through, simply because they need to create a “positive picture.” There is a slow, systematic destruction of terrorists virtually along the entire front. Yes, it’s difficult, but the goals are achieved.

Another indicator is that there is no regular mass mobilization in Ukraine. Unlike the country with the “second army of the world”, where its under-fuhrer has already signed a new order on a new open mobilization, and is also collecting criminals from all prisons for the Wagner PMC, deceiving himself with the hope of salvation Smiley

And some news from a terrorist country:
- “We are in slavery here.” At one of Gazprom's largest fields, wage delays and worker riots began
- The authorities classified Putin’s decree on the mandatory sale of foreign currency earnings and the list of exporters
- The Russian Federation’s reserves decreased over the week due to revaluation by $5.6 billion to $562.8 billion
- Gazprom reported a record-breaking collapse in gas production

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Russia knows that he can't win with fight with nato USA and putin even don't want that because this doesnt show nothing to the world.
Putin Will keep the ukraine war on that west will embargo and will devastate their own economy and without russia involvement at all.
Off course some of the Western. Leaders want to destroy all russia or kill Putin but they have play by the rules.

Yesterday, October 10, the Russian Army launched a grandiose but disastrous offensive against the Ukrainian Armed Forces in eastern Ukraine near the village of Avdeevka. The Russian occupiers attempted to attack the Ukrainian Armed Forces with several thousand soldiers, supported by a large number of tanks and armored vehicles, as well as artillery and aviation. Columns of the Russian Armed Forces began moving from several settlements at once - Krasnogorovka, Novoselovka Vtoroy, Vodyanoy, Peskov and Vesely.
But the Ukrainian Armed Forces gave them a “bag of fire.” As a result, most of the attacking occupiers fell into Ukrainian soil forever, losing 23 tanks, 91 armored vehicles and aircraft.

And in the south of Ukraine, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are slowly and confidently tearing through the multi-layered defensive positions of the invaders, moving towards the city of Tokmak, which is a strategically important railway junction and through which the entire group of invaders is supplied in the south. The liberation of this city, which is approximately 12-16 kilometers away, will destroy the entire southern front of the Russians. Since the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already brought their artillery closer to this city, yesterday its residents could see how a train carrying ammunition that was moving near Tokamak was attacked. The Ukrainian Armed Forces managed to hit it while it was moving, and the railway cars exploded and burned while still moving.
Oh, you're still here? When joining the glorious AFU on the Eastern front? Your Motherland needs you!   Grin

I guess we don't deserve to know the sources of this info? If you can't provide the source, just write there that it appeared in your dream...  Grin

Anyway, regarding the BS you're posting here: AFU were close to Tokmak (10-15km) already back in August! So it means there's no moving forward. Russian defence lines are located near the village of Rabotyne, that's where the AFU is now, so it's not even confirmed they pierced the first line of defence, just barely reached it. Which means the whole counter-offensive is a failure, leading to catastrophic loss of life. Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers were destroyed in this useless bloodbath. Oh, and btw, artillery range is much further than 12-16km so AFU can actuallly reach Tokmak from the area of Robotyne of even further away.  Grin
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If Great Britain does not play by the rules, then how do Russia and its bloody leader Putin play? Is he playing by the rules, unleashing the biggest and bloodiest war since World War II with the goal of capturing a neighboring state, where about forty thousand shells are now fired every day?

All states are now experiencing difficult economic times. Great Britain will survive this period too. The question is, will Russia survive them or will it disintegrate into a number of small republics?

It is important to bear in mind that wars are typically fought to safeguard economic interests, such as acquiring land and other valuable resources, rather than being solely driven by adherence to rules and principles, so if United Kingdom or Russia is not following the rules it should not be a shocking.

As a result of this ongoing war all countries are facing challenges including United Kingdom, is dealing with challenges. As time goes on, these challenges will be addressed. The key question is whether Russia can also endure these political and economic difficulties.
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