Topic: Russia announced a default on foreign obligations!!! - page 3. (Read 487 times)

1. Excellent! We remember the keyword - NOT in a CONSTITUTIONAL way. Or simply - in violation of local law. Yes ? By the way - why did you decide to modestly miss one very important point in the discussion of this issue - the constitutional system of Ukraine? This is, after all, a parliamentary-presidential one. Those. the main branch of power is PARLIAMENT? All right? That's right, because it's written in the Constitution of Ukraine!

2. And now we come to your amazing set of "facts" Let's simplify and ask a simple question - why are you lying? Are you deliberately lying? I'm ready to prove it here, and any participant can check the evidence! So, what was the essence of the "coup" process - After almost a week, the President of the Country did not appear at his workplace, did not get in touch, did not give any orders in any other way), the Verkhovna Rada voted for a resolution in which it was pointed out the need to temporarily assign the duties of the head of state to the chairman of the Verkhovna Rada (Alexander Turchynov. - The Verkhovna Rada has the right to such decisions) in connection with the self-elimination of Yanukovych.
No one removed Yanukovych from power or overthrew him. In the resolution of the Verkhovna Rada (dated February 22, 2014.), it is only about the fact that his powers are assigned to Turchynov in connection with the self-elimination of Yanukovych. The reason for the adoption of such a resolution was the absence of the president at the workplace, the lack of communication with him and the aggression that had begun in Crimea.
The next day, February 23, 2014, information became available that it was Yanukovych, violating the Constitution of Ukraine, who called, on the alleged behalf of Ukraine, to send Russian troops to forcefully suppress popular rallies requiring compliance with the law.
Viktor Yanukovych fled from Ukraine to Russia on the night of February 23, 2014 (before that, he had been hiding since mid-February, did not fulfill his obligations, did not get in touch, did not appear at the workplace).
According to the investigation, immediately after arriving in the Russian Federation, Yanukovych entered into an agreement with the Russian authorities to obtain preferences and further residence in Russia. The former president is charged with "encroachment on the territorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine", "high treason" and "waging an aggressive war." The investigation believes that the Kremlin used Yanukovych as the alleged acting head of state to "legitimize the presence of Russian troops in Ukraine and the occupation of part of Ukrainian territory."


Notice how different your version and mine are. Yours - built on propaganda, mine - on historical facts? I would strongly recommend that you stop lying, besides, it is so primitive - all the facts can now be checked very simply

Yes, I agree that Russia is completely dependent on Western technology.  China (by the way) also depends on Western technology.  

For example, in a Xiaomi smartphone, almost all components are foreign (American processors, Japanese and South Korean camera units, etc.).  However, it cannot be said that China is not a technological country.  Russia is able to maintain and build nuclear power plants (this already indicates the presence of technological potential).  Russia is capable of building icebreakers and fissioning uranium.  

Another thing is how Russia disposed of such a starting technological potential?  

With the petrodollars that Russia received in 2000-2020, it was possible to build communism (not a concentration camp, but an ideal technological society of harmonious and happy people).  

Russians could become the richest and happiest inhabitants of the planet Earth.  Travel the world, earn a lot of money, be useful to other people, create new technologies, use the most advanced medical developments.  Russians could become demigods.  An example for the rest of the civilized world.  

Yes, it was probably necessary to avoid envy and intrigue from the governments of other countries.  

But this requires the wisdom of managers. Managers receive large salaries, just in order to solve complex strategic problems.

But not by escalating conflicts.  This is a road to nowhere.  This is the road to disaster.

1. A coup is the seizure of power by unconstitutional means.
2. On February 22, 2014, the Verkhovna Rada adopted a resolution on "self-elimination from the exercise of constitutional powers" of the current President of Ukraine Yanukovych. "Self-elimination of the president from the exercise of constitutional powers" is not indicated in the list of grounds for early termination of the powers of the head of state. Yanukovych's state of health was quite normal, the impeachment procedure was not carried out, that is, formally and in fact, a coup took place in Ukraine.

You can call it a color revolution according to the training manual of Bernard-Henri Levy, but the essence of this will not change - a coup is a coup.

Well, because of the sanctions. Or do you think that sanctions are imposed to strengthen the country's economy, and not to weaken? It can be said for a long time and at length that this sword is double-edged and sanctions not only weaken the country on which they are imposed, but also cause damage to the country that imposes them (and Biden speaks openly about this, blaming Putin for the current surge in inflation in the United States), but too lazy to print.

Nobody is in need of rubles! Nobody!
The whole ruble thing was just Russia trying to flex its muscles and nobody even flinched!

Moreover, use logic, it's not that hard!
If Russia is still getting paid in Euros for gas, how is it possible that it has no Euros or USD to pay its debt and is forced to pay in rubles?
The truth is pretty simple, they don't have enough because Russia also needs to import a lot of stuff right now that is obviously far more expensive than it was before, if the propaganda would have been true they wouldn't have bought European stuff hen the alternative from China would have been better and cheaper.

Simple, they don't have money, nobody wants ruble and nobody will, not with the CB rising the interest rate by 20% overnight.


But, but, I thought the father of the fatherland and his troll army said that Russia is better than ever, sanction makes orc army stronger, killl all nazi, Russia stronk..
How come now its weakened?



Unfortunately for Russians, no it's not, it's one of the most backward countries in the world.
Most of the drilling is made with European equipment that's why Shell was present in Russia, wouldn't it be stupid to have a foreign company take profits when you could do it yourself? Russia has no deep water platforms, all are either junk bought from Netherlands or Brazil or even US, the only new ones are not their property, it has no technology for drilling in the northern regions, it can't even properly maintain oil rigs. Look at the auto industry, at trucks, planes, at medical equipment, everything is based on western technology, they have zero on their own, the back-up plan to replace Renault is to sell a car with no airbags!
 

And 99% flee the country. With that percentage going up to 99.98 lately.
The moment they started looting Nutella and socks and underwear is the moment everyone realized their level.

Did Great Britain invade Ireland (or anybody) after WW2? No. Then it's not what has happened in Ukraine.
Maybe in your head we are in 17th century, but no, nowadays attacking other country is not normal and no wild analogy would make them look better.


I will mostly ignore them, but the reason is that you use the half-logic seen in any propaganda, instead of healthy logic.
I will mostly ignore them because if I don't, I am just feeding the troll, hence inviting you spread more garbage.
Even insulting me about stereotypes is a typical trolling method to force an answer, I know that. Or is this "stereotype" too?

Oh I love reading your posts
And let's, as adults, adequate people, now quickly deal with the "coup in Ukraine?
Very simple questions:
1. The wording of what is a "coup d'état"
2. a list of events in Ukraine that correspond to paragraph 1, in the format date, event, performer / performers. You can add what rule of law violated

Now we will find out the whole truth about the "coup", unless of course the "reality" is fabulous

There is no contradiction here. I will explain with an example, imagine for a moment that some conditional country made a coup in Ireland, and then began to actively finance and supply weapons to the IRA, and cultivate hatred of Great Britain from the school bench in Ireland, releasing history books in which the British were portrayed Dirty bastards who need to be blown up, killed, and cut off their heads. Every year to hold mass demonstrations in the streets with crowds of masked militants. And to do this for 18 years, so that a whole generation of Irish people has grown up who consider the British people of the lower class. And then the leadership of Ireland would say out loud that it would be nice to get hold of a nuclear bomb. Sound wild? Meanwhile, this is exactly what happened in Ukraine.

Do you think the English would care what to do so that the Irish were kindled with love for them? Would they have been trying for eight years to resolve this delicate issue through diplomacy, as Russia did? Let's be frank, the Anglo-Saxons are disliked in many places in the world, and there are reasons. But do they not care about it now, and do they care even more about it if it is a serious threat to the security of their country?

ps You can ignore my messages if they seem to you a threat to your habitual patterns and stereotypes of perception.

Well, if you post others' propaganda, at least pay attention to not contradict yourself.
However, you have just proven yourself just another mindless troll that doesn't deserve the slightest attention.

Russia does not need the love of Ukraine. The Nazi viper needs to have its venomous teeth pulled out so it can't bite, that's enough.

it's not Russia but some company just bragging about that they offered to be paid in roubles, they denied and so now thinking it's a default, not more

Another fake, which only naive fools will fall for. Learn to verify information.

You either got fooled, either want to fool us: nobody but Putin is responsible for starting this stupid war, killing civilians and destroying goods.
It doesn't matter what is the sentiment in Ukraine. It's not Russia's business.
And yeah, I am sure now Ukrainians will just love Putin and the Russians for killing and raping them. What alternate reality are you living in?!!?!

You write incredibly funny things!
1. The oil and gas industry - the basic infrastructure was built by the USSR, there is not the slightest merit of Russia in this. In fact, all new field developments, except for the simplest and most affordable (with a minimum drilling depth) are based on Western technologies! That is why sanctions prohibit the supply of such technologies
2. Nuclear power - just the same. Base - Development of the USSR. Since then there is NOTHING CONCEPTUALLY NEW! Or give an example of technologies developed and industrially implemented, fully developed in Russia!
3. Space industry. Now she is the Comic Industry. Trampolines, bullying, fools' show. The space industry, which more or less worked, is a legacy of the USSR. I will be brief - you will not be able to give a single example of NEW and fully developed space technologies in Russia. Moreover - after the first sanctions. The Russian comic industry began to crumble like a house of cards in the wind - because everything is built on the elemental base of sealed companies. The import substitution program has failed. Or you have other information ?
4. Agriculture - do you know that Russia is the leader in the purchase of palm oil? Are you aware that most of the bread in Russia is feed grain? Do you know that Russia imports most of the vegetables and fruits? The only thing there is grain, which is almost completely exported, but that's all - varieties of Western companies

In total, Russia is such a large formation in terms of a useless area that remained technologically in the middle of the 20th century, and did nothing to change this situation.

Do not pull the owl on the globe. Donbass has always been and felt itself not just Russian-speaking, but Russian - and from the point of view of Western Ukraine, they were second-class people. But they lived quite calmly as part of Ukraine and dug their own coal, honestly earning their living, until the Ukrainian authorities forbade them to speak Russian, their native language. This was a trigger and a match in the fire of separatist sentiments. You can't blame people for wanting to speak and think in their native language.

I wouldn't really be shocked about this. If you tell a nation that you do not want to work with them anymore, then they can just deny to pay your debts back as well of course. There is nothing shocking about this at all. The scary deal is, Germany started the second world war period by declaring not to pay their debts from the first world war as well. "The stress put into German people because of the war reparations was too high" is a common thing to make it sound like it made a sense, when in fact if you attack a nation and destroy them, of course you will pay a ton of money, that is normal expectations.

Russia will be asked the same, I guarantee you, it is not just enough to stop the war, they also have to pay a lot to fix Ukraine as well.

Let's go even further, shall we? year 2000. I am on business in Donetsk. By the way, in this city at that time 30-40% spoke Ukrainian. And in the evening, in one of the establishments, I observe a picture - 10-12 people are sitting at the table, actively gesticulating, raising toasts very loudly and not very culturally. And there is a flag on the wall. At first I thought that this was a flag of something like the Yuzovsky Manufactory or something similar (John Yuz is, in fact, the "father" of Donetsk and the Donetsk region, their founder, a British).
It turned out not. It turned out that this is the flag ... of the Donetsk People's Republic! Yes, yes, yes - it was 2000, 4 years before "the anti-Russian pumping began." I decided to clarify, and it turned out that since the 1990s, in the east of Ukraine, the anti-Ukrainian movement "DPR" and several others, united by the idea of ​​"Novorossiya", have been actively gaining strength, with the support of curators from ... no, not the United States, but Russia, those. anti-Ukrainian, anti-state, separatist concept. Would you like to read their documentation, goals, etc.? I highly recommend it - it's a mix of Nazism, nationalism, chauvinism. And now you tell us about "the United States began purposefully cultivating anti-Russian sentiments in Ukraine back in 2004 with Yushchenko coming to power," specific actions, laws, and other facts? Looking forward to your stories about Yushchenko, the US and anti-Russian sentiment

Russia was quite a technological country. 

The oil and gas industry is a very technologically advanced industry.  Nuclear power is an even more technologically advanced industry.  Russia also had a space industry (technical developments from the times of the USSR), metallurgy, agriculture and fertilizer production. 

Also in Russia there is a very good technical education (including many good specialists in the field of informatics and computer technology). 

Yes, this was not enough for such a vast territory, but nevertheless, this is a good potential for further development. 

What happened now is a disaster. 

This is the destruction of everything that was created with great difficulty by generations of Russian and Soviet people.  Managerial incompetence led to disaster. 

The extent of this catastrophe has yet to be realized.

Do not be fooled, if you look at the essence of things, or at least a little deeper than the surface, then at least 80% of the responsibility for the armed conflict between Russia and Ukraine lies with the United States. The United States is the main beneficiary of this conflict, it weakens Russia in one fell swoop, shifts the attention of Americans from internal problems to external ones and, with the imposed sanctions policy, actually destroys a strong competitor in the face of the European Union. In Ukraine, the puppet government after the coup on the Maidan, and deliberately cultivate anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine, the United States began back in 2004 with the coming to power of Yushchenko. A similar US policy is being pursued in Taiwan towards China.

Putin "response" is not related to frozen reserves. Putin doesn't need reasons for "shitty response", he can fabricate them himself.
Thinking different means big flaw in one's logic. Just ask yourself: what was first, his attack or the sanctions? And if so, what was the reason for his shitty attack?!

not only that. Russia's sanctions affected everyone including the Asian countries like mine. we are not even part of this war.

the central banks all around the world were anxious when Russia's reserves were frozen. its not normal, reserves are not supposed to be frozen no matter how antagonist the country is. Putin is a pain in the ass we all know that but with frozen reserves, it's like giving Putin the reason to respond like shit.