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January 27, 2014, 12:21:59 PM
#29
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.

What.

It is prohibited to trade Bitcoin for goods, services, or other currency within the Russian Federation.

So if they find a Bitcoin wallet on your computer, you aint going to jail, but if you get caught trying to swap that Bitcoin for anything else (except another virutal currency), then Putin is going to nail you.

Sounds pretty dire to me.

Oligarchs didn't become Oligarchs by listening to the government.

In mother Russia, they are the government.

Are they fuck, not any more. Now they all tow Putin's line, the one who didn't either fled and had all their shit taken off them, or were thrown in jail, and had all their shit taken off them.

That is why the West has a problem with Russia all over again. The West could work with/control the oligarchs, they can't control Putin.
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January 27, 2014, 12:21:51 PM
#28
Oligarchs didn't become Oligarchs by listening to the government.

In mother Russia, they are the government.
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Duelbits.com
January 27, 2014, 12:19:52 PM
#27
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.

That would never be a problem, if they would somehow even attemp to pursue this angle - it would never be enforced and nobody would ever give a fuck. Trust me.

Yeah, I agree they can't stop people mining, was more thinking about mining equipment sales and such... there's one Russian ASIC, isn't it?
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January 27, 2014, 12:19:19 PM
#26
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.
Wonder if that includes donations to Snowden? Grin
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January 27, 2014, 12:18:43 PM
#25
Another one of those warnings? How many times can they issue a warning before people start completely ignoring them?

Private bitcoiners ignore them, but institutional investors listen and follow.. especially when it is from their local jurisdiction.

There goes all the rusky oligarch money.

Oligarchs didn't become Oligarchs by listening to the government.
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January 27, 2014, 12:17:03 PM
#24
Yep. I can confirm this translation is more or less accurate. Except it's not "whitewashing of funds", it's "money laundering"

Fixed. Mixed up the term from another language...  Roll Eyes
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January 27, 2014, 12:16:48 PM
#23
Typical announcement from the corrupt government that they dont like losing any sort of control over anything. Whats the point?
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January 27, 2014, 12:15:31 PM
#22
Another one of those warnings? How many times can they issue a warning before people start completely ignoring them?

Private bitcoiners ignore them, but institutional investors listen and follow.. especially when it is from their local jurisdiction.

There goes all the rusky oligarch money.
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January 27, 2014, 12:13:47 PM
#21
Another one of those warnings? How many times can they issue a warning before people start completely ignoring them?
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January 27, 2014, 12:12:02 PM
#20
Nothing really changed for now. It`s more like informational letter with main point as "Don`t be such relaxed, we know about Bitcoin and watching you.". This may cause more restrictions though, as a specific opinion and sign to government and other mighty men in Russia.
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January 27, 2014, 12:10:39 PM
#19
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.

That would never be a problem, if they would somehow even attemp to pursue this angle - it would never be enforced and nobody would ever give a fuck. Trust me.
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January 27, 2014, 12:10:11 PM
#18
"The Central bank will deem any services concerning exchange of virtual currencies into Rubbles as a potential involvement in handling of suspicious activities in accordance to the law against whitewashing of funds acquired by criminal means and finance of terrorist organisations. The following warning was issued by CB towards the Russian legal entities."
"Virtual currencies lack in supporting and responsible for them legal bodies. Operations bear a speculative character, are processed on the so-called virtual exchanges and carry with them a high risk of loosing in value."
"CB warns citizens and legal entities, first and foremost the credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions from using virtual currencies for exchanging them into goods (work, services) and for monetary mediums as Russian, so foreign."

Yep. I can confirm this translation is more or less accurate. Except it's not "whitewashing of funds", it's "money laundering"
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Duelbits.com
January 27, 2014, 12:07:07 PM
#17
Not ban at all, it's even less than China did.

The biggest problem is that mining in Russia might be not legal now, as that's the only thing we could call currency emission here.
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January 27, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
#16
All these banana republics like Russia and China are ruining all the fun.

Bitcoin should have staid mainly a Western thing.
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January 27, 2014, 12:04:29 PM
#15
It does start a bit rough:

"The Central bank will deem any services concerning exchange of virtual currencies into Rubbles as a potential involvement in handling of suspicious activities in accordance to the law against money laundering of funds acquired by criminal means and finance of terrorist organisations. The following warning was issued by CB towards the Russian legal entities."

Further, a citation from CB:
"Virtual currencies lack in supporting and responsible for them legal bodies. Operations bear a speculative character, are processed on the so-called virtual exchanges and carry with them a high risk of loosing in value."

And a little bit further:
"CB warns citizens and legal entities, first and foremost the credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions from using virtual currencies for exchanging them into goods (work, services) and for monetary mediums as Russian, so foreign."

Too lazy to translate it in whole, but it does resemble the Chinese warning.
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January 27, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
#14
In short: Central Bank of Russia prohibits any (really any) usage of Bitcoin and will treat it as criminal activity and terrorism support.
That`s just not truth. There is no word "prohibition" or alike. Stop spreading FUD.
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January 27, 2014, 11:59:46 AM
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January 27, 2014, 11:56:52 AM
#12
Not a ban, just a usuall "warning" bla-bla-bla volatility bla-bla-bla stay away from it.

From RBC source:

Согласно ст.27 федерального закона "О Центральном банке Российской Федерации (Банке России)" выпуск на территории РФ денежных суррогатов запрещается.

According to paragraph 27 of Federal law "About Central bank of Russian Federation", emission of money surrogates is prohibited on territory of RF.

Emission... But who is emitting Bitcoins?
legendary
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January 27, 2014, 11:54:41 AM
#11
Not a ban, just a usuall "warning" bla-bla-bla volatility bla-bla-bla stay away from it.

From RBC source:

Согласно ст.27 федерального закона "О Центральном банке Российской Федерации (Банке России)" выпуск на территории РФ денежных суррогатов запрещается.

According to paragraph 27 of Federal law "About Central bank of Russian Federation", emission of money surrogates is prohibited on territory of RF.
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January 27, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
#10
http://www.cbr.ru/press/PR.aspx?file=27012014_1825052.htm     

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On the use in transactions "virtual currency ", in particular , Bitcoin


The Bank of Russia said that recently in the world have a certain distribution of the so -called "virtual currency " , in particular, Bitcoin . By "virtual currencies " and there is no provision for them legally obliged entities . These operations are speculative in nature, carried out on the so -called "virtual exchanges " and carry a high risk of loss of value.

The Bank of Russia warns citizens and legal entities , primarily credit institutions and non-credit financial institutions , the use of "virtual currency " for them in exchange for goods ( works, services) or cash in rubles and foreign currency.

According to article 27 of the Federal Law "On the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (Bank of Russia ) " issue in the Russian Federation monetary surrogates prohibited.

Due to the anonymous nature of the activity for the production of "virtual currency " unlimited range of actors and to use them for transactions citizens and legal persons may be , including unintentionally involved in illegal activities , including the legalization (laundering ) of proceeds from crime and terrorist financing .

The Bank of Russia has warned that Russian legal entities providing services for the exchange of "virtual currency " in rubles and foreign currency , as well as for goods (works , services ) will be considered as a potential involvement in the implementation of suspicious transactions in accordance with the legislation on counteraction to legalization (laundering ) proceeds of crime and financing of terrorism.

January 27, 2014

Using materials reference to the press service of the Bank of Russia is required .
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