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Topic: Russia Declares it is ready for war with American and European countries - page 2. (Read 375 times)

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I'd say this war would be pretty pointless for the US to join in like so many pointless wars after Korea such as Vietnam, Iraq Wars, Afghanistan (impeccable pull out of the country by our dear Biden btw) and all the other ones that people forget. If the UK/Europe wants to jump into it then it will be their death knell as both Russia and those countries would be devastated for years due to nuclear fallout and instability in the regions. I'm sure our fearless leader, the brilliant Joe Biden will certainly lead us off to die with Europe and UK to bring all powers, Russia, Europe, UK and the US into total collapse that the global elite will then have the perception that they can exploit. I'm here to tell them now that this won't be the case as two new superpowers will emerge from the conflict: China and India.

The main reason why this is the case is because they both have immersive manpower. All of the western countries and former Soviet-bloc countries have had an absolute population collapse. Another reason is both have nuclear power and could themselves create nuclear weapons. Additionally, neither will be involved in this conflict (unless China and India get into a greater border dispute that is ongoing which could go hot itself); therefore, if they are unscathed as the US and mostly Russia was post-World War II then history will repeat itself declaring them the victors of the next century. The crazy part is they would get this by not playing the game of war itself.

Agree. This war is very pointless for the US the Euro-Asian countries didn't want them there either. If you watch the news today in American media, it seems like they are already stopping the publication of the imminent war. This is because even the Ukrainian president announced there is no imminent invasion.

Imagine how much people believe in the lies that their media is telling to thier own people to justify war. All over the world, US has been moving from place to place to occupy a country and Euro-Asian countries understand which is not good for them.
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Putin is a dictator, but he had to climb the ladder to reach power. He isn't crazy.

He is not going to invade Ukraine with conventional forces, it would be the end of the Russian small economy.

The Crimean adventure was very costly, the Russian economy is in ruins. He learned the lesson.

It's just a question of flexing the muscle to try to get a better bargain position and keep Ukraine out of NATO.
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Do you think there will be a potential war on the Crimean peninsula which is a seizure zone? and what is the impact on the political stability of countries in Europe, America and Russia that do not want to interfere in this dispute? Your feedback is very valuable.


Source : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/20/europe/ukraine-russia-tensions-explainer-cmd-intl/index.html

I do believe there will be a war on the mainland of Ukraine. Crimean peninsula is already gone for all intents and purposes. Currently it seems that most NATO countries (even Germany to some extent) are preparing Ukranians for guerilla type warfare. Historically one of the many reasons for the downfall of USSR was the fact that it got bogged down in Afganistan. It is not impossible that this in turn might be the downfall for Putins regime as well. Keep in mind that militarily Russia is mighty, but economically even individual European countries are stronger. So a protracted and costly guerilla war could exhaust Russia economically.

I believe that the impact of political stability will not be significant for the countries that don't want to get involved. At least it wasn't very impactful when Crimea got taken or when the war in Georgia happened. Of course there will be a whole lot of political rhetorics (Eastern European countries will vocally demand strong Anti-Russian actions, some Western European countries will debate wether this conflict is at all relevant to them, Germany does what Germany does, USA-s both parties accuse each other of not being tough enough). However I doubt that it will make a huge difference in the end.
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I'd say this war would be pretty pointless for the US to join in like so many pointless wars after Korea such as Vietnam, Iraq Wars, Afghanistan (impeccable pull out of the country by our dear Biden btw) and all the other ones that people forget. If the UK/Europe wants to jump into it then it will be their death knell as both Russia and those countries would be devastated for years due to nuclear fallout and instability in the regions. I'm sure our fearless leader, the brilliant Joe Biden will certainly lead us off to die with Europe and UK to bring all powers, Russia, Europe, UK and the US into total collapse that the global elite will then have the perception that they can exploit. I'm here to tell them now that this won't be the case as two new superpowers will emerge from the conflict: China and India.

The main reason why this is the case is because they both have immersive manpower. All of the western countries and former Soviet-bloc countries have had an absolute population collapse. Another reason is both have nuclear power and could themselves create nuclear weapons. Additionally, neither will be involved in this conflict (unless China and India get into a greater border dispute that is ongoing which could go hot itself); therefore, if they are unscathed as the US and mostly Russia was post-World War II then history will repeat itself declaring them the victors of the next century. The crazy part is they would get this by not playing the game of war itself.
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by making concessions to Putin's demands, major one is removing itself from the West/NATO

I wouldn't call it a solution. Putin could then demand the same from e.g. Poland, or those tiny countries between Moscow and Kaliningrad.


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and what is the impact on the political stability of countries in Europe, America and Russia that do not want to interfere in this dispute?

Here is my prediction -- Russia does what it wants with Ukraine because of immense military power, and NATO countries + US observes from a distance because of the lack any vested interest in Ukraine. Germany in particular has a financial incentive (oil pipeline) from Russia, but even if they didn't, Germany will not have gotten involved anyway.

The solution is for Ukraine to maintain their own sovereignty. This is either through military action or by making concessions to Putin's demands, major one is removing itself from the West/NATO.

From the looks of it, there is no hope in diplomatic resolution. I've read recently that US and Russian officials cannot come to any agreement; war is inevitably the answer.
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Background to the conflict between Russia and the West:
This tension stems from the struggle for land on the Crimean peninsula. The territory is claimed by both Ukraine and Russia. This conflict has occurred since 2014, at a glance at that time Russia had occupied the Crimean peninsula from the hands of Ukrainian rulers and provided support to pro-Russian separatist rebel groups. Because for Russia, the Crimean peninsula is part of the former Soviet Union. As a result, Moscow again considers that the annexation of the Crimean peninsula is a form of assistance for the liberation of the region.

Then from the International community bloc itself that the Crimean peninsula is still a sovereign territory of Ukraine. Of course the conflict that occurred made NATO countries a little angry (America and Europe). The charges against Russia include gathering 100,000 troops to keep watch on the border with eastern Ukraine. However, Russia rejects the accusations and instead says it was Ukraine that wanted to attack Russia first by deploying nearly half of its troops to the Eastern conflict zone. Russia has even accused Ukraine of modernizing a drone strike from NATO member Turkey.

The charges leveled against the US include placing Tomahawk cruise missiles in Poland and Romania. And America is also accused of having funded about $ 25 billion into Ukraine in preparation against Russia.

Do you think there will be a potential war on the Crimean peninsula which is a seizure zone? and what is the impact on the political stability of countries in Europe, America and Russia that do not want to interfere in this dispute? Your feedback is very valuable.


Source : https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/20/europe/ukraine-russia-tensions-explainer-cmd-intl/index.html
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