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Topic: Russia is bullying Ukraine, but can it really hold? - page 2. (Read 286 times)

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Russia has been the prevalent nation during the USSR in their area of influence. After the USSR became a number of republics, Russia has tried to keep hold of the relations and, above all, the strategic stance of the most strategic new territories surrounding them. It has clearly failed to hold Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, achieved a success, if you can call a totalitarian regime a success in Belarus and now has no intention to allow any flirting of Ukraine with the West.

There is one principle to war in economic terms: Wars are costly and they need to make profit or deliver great strategic benefits. Russia may not be able to pay the price nor extract the economic benefit or a prolonged occupation of large parts of Ukraine and may not be able to pay the cost of installing a government hated by the locals.

Let's start with the fact that the risk of Ukraine joining NATO is a CONSEQUENCE of what Russia itself started.
The essence of the latest conflict, or rather the Kremlin's aggression against Ukraine, is different. In 2014, Ukraine showed that POWER is not a pillar around which everyone should crawl on their knees, worship, be afraid, and most importantly, as they say in Russia, "power is given by God, humble yourself and accept." The Ukrainians have shown that power is the PEOPLE, and the people, even with tyrants in power, can replace this power, or force it to leave! the Kremlin authorities do not accept this! There can be no such example close to Russia, especially from the "fraternal people"! Such an example is a mortal danger to the existence of the power of kleptomaniac bandits from the Kremlin! Plus, losing the Ukrainian market, Russia is losing a lot, from the sales market to the supplier of technologies and equipment that Russia cannot produce! After the change of power in Ukraine, Russia decided to "calm down Ukraine" by unleashing aggression, promising to seize all of Ukraine and establish its power there, making Ukraine some kind of invented "new Russia ... But something went wrong, and Ukraine was able to" punch in the face " invaders, liberate partly occupied territories. And the worst thing for Russia is that the President of Ukraine, Poroshenko, CREATED an international anti-Kremlin coalition, in fact forced the West to take sanctions against Russia. After that, the destruction of free Ukraine became a paranoid idea for Putin.
But again, thanks to the help of our Western partners - they managed to create a stock of fatal-protective weapons in Ukraine, and developed new sanctions, which ultimately put the Kremlin in an extremely uncomfortable state - losses and losses will clearly exceed the very dubious chance of defeating Ukraine! But the Kremlin has never waged and will never wage a confrontation against a strong adversary. if you look at the history of new Russia, over the past 30 years - Russia has attacked only guaranteed weaker opponents, where you can show your sadistic inclinations "from the heart" - bomb and destroy peaceful cities, with civilians, destroy, kill, steal ... Otherwise, Russia is a coward to conduct an open confrontation. True, Russia always has one trump card - terrorism. They use this tool both against their own people (remember how in the Russian Federation, the FSB blew up several houses with residents in the early 00s), or against others (for example, poisoning people with highly toxic or chemical warfare agents).
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Ukraine won't be easy to beat, it's back is covered by great nations, USA, London and other super power countries inside NATO. If ever there will be war, Russia will need allies, may N. Korea or China as these two have issues with the west. Now the wisest move to do is solve the issues and ease tensions without any bloodshed, war is not the answer and yet we as human are also fighting another war that the enemies are naked in the eyes.

First of all, "London" is not a "great nation". It is a city within the United Kingdom. And if you really believe that the United States and the United Kingdom will come to the aid of Ukraine, then I pity you. Russia and China are the countries who are willing to spend some money on their allies. The Western nations on the other hand, never do that and they will not offer any military support either. Ukraine will be on it's own, if Russia invades. The US/UK may impose embargoes on Russia and Putin, but that's going to be it.
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Ukraine won't be easy to beat, it's back is covered by great nations, USA, London and other super power countries inside NATO. If ever there will be war, Russia will need allies, may N. Korea or China as these two have issues with the west. Now the wisest move to do is solve the issues and ease tensions without any bloodshed, war is not the answer and yet we as human are also fighting another war that the enemies are naked in the eyes.
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China is the best example for modern day invasion, they invade most of the countries economically and make them to pay for their country forever by giving lucrative offers in the beginning, but later they will take control of everything with the puppet rulers so any country wants to dominate should follow them. Its immorally wrong but that's the strategy. Roll Eyes
The recent one under the trap is Sri Lanka. The pandemic and the government policies have caused such an economic crisis. Due to the pandemic the forex reserve have dropped to $1.58bn from $7.5bn in 2019. Currently more than $5bn loan due to China. Altogether Sri Lanka seems to have a debt around $7bn. China keeps investing in the name of infrastructure development and soon everything will be under China's control.
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China is the best example for modern day invasion, they invade most of the countries economically and make them to pay for their country forever by giving lucrative offers in the beginning, but later they will take control of everything with the puppet rulers so any country wants to dominate should follow them. Its immorally wrong but that's the strategy. Roll Eyes

I once posted under the title "if you sell is no longer yours", that also happens when you buy. Commercial invasion is not something desirable and is immoral if it happens corrupting politicians and giving credits that would never be able to pay for countries that have lousy politics. However war is something else and instating a dictatorial government is also undesirable  and, while economic prevalence can be prevented with laws and discipline, the killing in war cannot.
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Russia has been the prevalent nation during the USSR in their area of influence. After the USSR became a number of republics, Russia has tried to keep hold of the relations and, above all, the strategic stance of the most strategic new territories surrounding them. It has clearly failed to hold Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, achieved a success, if you can call a totalitarian regime a success in Belarus and now has no intention to allow any flirting of Ukraine with the West.

There is one principle to war in economic terms: Wars are costly and they need to make profit or deliver great strategic benefits. Russia may not be able to pay the price nor extract the economic benefit or a prolonged occupation of large parts of Ukraine and may not be able to pay the cost of installing a government hated by the locals.
why I feel like there is drama in the heat going on between Russia and Ukraine, a scuffle between ukraine and russia is definitely not going to happen, many things will definitely have a bad impact on both countries if that happens, they will forever be like this, just bluffing.
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Apparently UK established that they were trying to have Kievan Rus agenda right in the capital. Making people their pawns which might end up badly. I do not have any idea why they are doing this in the middle of the pandemic when the whole world is suffering as well. I think NATO , uk, us won't allow Ukraine to give anything to Russia and if they tried to use their military power they would have to fight great nations as well and not just Ukraine. Ukraine alone is definitely weak but using allies they can tackle Russia very well. I think they are just threatening because their economy is collapsing as well they cannot afford war at the moment.
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Russia has been the prevalent nation during the USSR in their area of influence. After the USSR became a number of republics, Russia has tried to keep hold of the relations and, above all, the strategic stance of the most strategic new territories surrounding them. It has clearly failed to hold Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, achieved a success, if you can call a totalitarian regime a success in Belarus and now has no intention to allow any flirting of Ukraine with the West.

There is one principle to war in economic terms: Wars are costly and they need to make profit or deliver great strategic benefits. Russia may not be able to pay the price nor extract the economic benefit or a prolonged occupation of large parts of Ukraine and may not be able to pay the cost of installing a government hated by the locals.
For the thread on Russian and Ukrainian Geopolitics, I've made it here.

It's not just politics between the great powers, more severe economic and social stability could weigh on countries close to Russia and Ukraine. The US also seems to have come to mediate, but underneath it all, they're just looking for a face to get what they want. China's position is also to criticize the US for meddling in the increasingly heated affairs of Russia and Ukraine at the border. The Crimean peninsula has been a struggle for a long time. This conflict certainly has an impact on the economic stability of both parties. Even some time ago Putin was challenged by Volodymyr Zelensky to meet at the border. So far these tensions have not resulted in an agreement. In my opinion, if both sides insist on continuing to fight, it will automatically be very bad for the exchange rate, index volatility, and interest rate volatility as well as the development of tourism for both countries.
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China is the best example for modern day invasion, they invade most of the countries economically and make them to pay for their country forever by giving lucrative offers in the beginning, but later they will take control of everything with the puppet rulers so any country wants to dominate should follow them. Its immorally wrong but that's the strategy. Roll Eyes
legendary
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Russia has been the prevalent nation during the USSR in their area of influence. After the USSR became a number of republics, Russia has tried to keep hold of the relations and, above all, the strategic stance of the most strategic new territories surrounding them. It has clearly failed to hold Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, achieved a success, if you can call a totalitarian regime a success in Belarus and now has no intention to allow any flirting of Ukraine with the West.

There is one principle to war in economic terms: Wars are costly and they need to make profit or deliver great strategic benefits. Russia may not be able to pay the price nor extract the economic benefit or a prolonged occupation of large parts of Ukraine and may not be able to pay the cost of installing a government hated by the locals.

If Russia had a desirable governmental and economic structure then this would not even be an issue. The very fact that they can only keep association with countries by force or by supporting a local dictator makes it quite clear the sort of cronyism and corrupt system of government Putin is leading. Russia as the largest country in the world, with some extremely intelligent people, has the potential to be so much more - but it is forever stunted by the erosion (or effective destruction) of any independent institutions or continuity. It has been kept this way, where power is centralized, to benefit a very few people who were in the right positions to grab power. A war in Ukraine will in no way make Russia a more appealing partner and just cements to bullying nature. However we are at the whims of an aging authoritarian leader who manipulates empty patriotism and is trying to recreate some sort of nostalgic past in order to distract from the fact that he has done little to progress Russia in the last 20 years he held power.

Here's a graph of Putin's approval ratings:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

Note around 2014 the spike - that was related to the invasion and annexation of Crimea. Many people would die in a war, all because he feels unpopular.
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Russia has been the prevalent nation during the USSR in their area of influence. After the USSR became a number of republics, Russia has tried to keep hold of the relations and, above all, the strategic stance of the most strategic new territories surrounding them. It has clearly failed to hold Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, achieved a success, if you can call a totalitarian regime a success in Belarus and now has no intention to allow any flirting of Ukraine with the West.

There is one principle to war in economic terms: Wars are costly and they need to make profit or deliver great strategic benefits. Russia may not be able to pay the price nor extract the economic benefit or a prolonged occupation of large parts of Ukraine and may not be able to pay the cost of installing a government hated by the locals.
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