Russia is taking over Ukraine’s Internet

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 09, 2022, 06:43:32 AM

I think after all the destruction with the bombing from Russia ....most internet infrastructure are destroyed. The Russian controlled areas will most probably be restored, so people will rather resort back to the infrastructure that was there before the war started.

I will rather use Elon Musk's Starlink for a more secure communication media, but I doubt if people in a war zone... will be able to pay for that. (the base price for Starlink service is $135 a month) Roll Eyes

Here, by the way, Musk helps us a lot in the fight against Russian Nazism, his Starlink helps our troops a lot, where Russian terrorists, out of habit, destroyed everything that was possible, including the infrastructure of the same mobile operators .. Yes, and it’s not safe. Musk's Starlink is an inaccessible technology for the "second army in the world", due to their technological backwardness and the absolutely fictional effectiveness of their weapons (electronic warfare systems in this case) ...

What I agree with is that for private use, the price of subscribing to the service may not be the most affordable, especially in the regions where people will return after the expulsion of the occupiers, they will clearly not care about such countries. But I can say that 4G networks work very well in Ukraine, and it will not be very difficult to restore such networks, given international support. At home, it will be enough to have an ordinary 4G router, and consider the network working! The subscription fee is meager - now in Ukraine, for example, 4G packages, with pre-paid 15 GB of traffic, cost about $ 4-5 / month, while streaming TV from a mobile operator is not charged, i.e. unlimited, which is about 150-200 channels, video libraries.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on July 09, 2022, 06:43:32 AM

I think after all the destruction with the bombing from Russia ....most internet infrastructure are destroyed. The Russian controlled areas will most probably be restored, so people will rather resort back to the infrastructure that was there before the war started.

I will rather use Elon Musk's Starlink for a more secure communication media, but I doubt if people in a war zone... will be able to pay for that. (the base price for Starlink service is $135 a month) Roll Eyes

Russia is leading this aggressive war in Ukraine as a gang of murderers, rapists and robbers. Russians steal in Ukraine not only the Internet, but everything of value that comes their way. Everything is taken out of the captured houses, up to the furniture. This is not an army, this is a medieval horde ... Now in the war in the Donbass, there is no other tactic than razing everything to the ground with artillery and aircraft so that no one can resist, after which they take not cities and other settlements, but square kilometers scorched earth. At the same time, the Russian army does not give a damn about the Russian-speaking population of this territory, whom they allegedly came to liberate. Residential buildings are destroyed along with the people living there, and this is considered the norm for them.
The cities of Severodonetsk, Lychichansk, Mariupol and others captured by the Russians are unlikely to be restored by the Russians. In Mariupol, they have already admitted that they are not even able to establish water supply and electricity supply. Soon they will be driven out of the occupied territory and, with the help of the international community, normal recovery will begin.

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I think after all the destruction with the bombing from Russia ....most internet infrastructure are destroyed. The Russian controlled areas will most probably be restored, so people will rather resort back to the infrastructure that was there before the war started.

I will rather use Elon Musk's Starlink for a more secure communication media, but I doubt if people in a war zone... will be able to pay for that. (the base price for Starlink service is $135 a month) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Ebede on July 01, 2022, 07:59:41 PM

Russia can take over Ukraine because of their house efficient, Ukraine don't have sufficient equipment like Russian and what Ukraine needs to survive is a support from other he countries who is the world power so left with it I think Russia will eliminate every soul or single soul in Ukraine so US needs to intervene seriously into the war between Russia and Ukraine

The fact that Ukraine is not a self-sufficient country is a fact. The fact is also that Russia is highly dependent on imports, and technologically backward . But only with these equals, there is a slight difference. The difference is that the entire developed world is helping Ukraine, while on the contrary, it binds Russia with sanctions and pushes it towards further degradation.

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Quote from: Ebede on July 01, 2022, 07:59:41 PM

Russia can take over Ukraine because of their house efficient, Ukraine don't have sufficient equipment like Russian and what Ukraine needs to survive is a support from other he countries who is the world power so left with it I think Russia will eliminate every soul or single soul in Ukraine so US needs to intervene seriously into the war between Russia and Ukraine

Everything is fair in love and war. In today's world internet and cyber security is everything. .
Every country should have strong defence and strong cyber security - less data online to avoid hacking online..

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Russia can take over Ukraine because of their house efficient, Ukraine don't have sufficient equipment like Russian and what Ukraine needs to survive is a support from other he countries who is the world power so left with it I think Russia will eliminate every soul or single soul in Ukraine so US needs to intervene seriously into the war between Russia and Ukraine

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Quote from: cabron on June 30, 2022, 07:30:05 PM

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Quote from: laredo7mm on June 30, 2022, 12:12:39 PM

It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

"Russian hackers" as well as "Russian, the second most powerful army in the world" as well as their "unparalleled weapons" is a fake. A fake that was launched on all pro-Russian information channels many years ago

Yes, it affects immature minds, and people who are not used to checking information. But in reality - apart from rough and primitive destruction, they can do nothing even with a small Ukraine! Their "vaunted army" received a global rebuff in Ukraine, their entire fake doctrine of "occupying Ukraine in 2 weeks" failed. All their attempts to influence the work of Ukrainian companies and the army did not give any noticeable result, moreover, they showed their fake "power" in all directions! Name at least one example of how Russian hacker groups, which you claim are very strong and well-known, were able to cause real, global harm to Ukraine?

Attempts - were, I agree, in the subject. But not a single group could do a real total collapse. Russia is a complete fake, from history to "the most powerful hackers"!

Its a fake pro Russian information but the US government kept accusing them of hacking everything including that gas pipeline without proving it. Apparently they intensify the information which glorify the Russian hacker information instead. If the Russians were just to make it brutal, they wouldn't give access to internet at all like what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq war, they must have understood Internet access is among of human rights as well.
Certainly they wouldn't allow Elon's Starlink, it will be like giving all the information to a lone man who has its own agenda. Why he isn't even kidnapped like Meng Wanzhou of Huawei is beyond our concern. Probably because half the world just don't like China dominating the 5G.

Everything is right here! To crap, spoil, break, lie - these are the fundamental habits of the carriers of the concept of the "Russian world". If we talk about high-tech hacks, most likely the rashists simply bought third-party resources that did this dirty work on their behalf. But Russia itself is a backward, resource-oriented country, a third world country at best. Name me at least one technology that was invented and given to the whole world by Russians, in Russia, over the past 30 years? I am sure when studying the issue - you will make many amazing discoveries about Russia

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After mastering the internet it will be easy for the Russian government to control all harmful information, of course Russia will use the power of the internet to influence the Ukrainian public's assumption to accept Russia.

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Quote from: cabron on June 30, 2022, 07:30:05 PM

Its a fake pro Russian information but the US government kept accusing them of hacking everything including that gas pipeline without proving it. Apparently they intensify the information which glorify the Russian hacker information instead. If the Russians were just to make it brutal, they wouldn't give access to internet at all like what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq war, they must have understood Internet access is among of human rights as well.

Certainly they wouldn't allow Elon's Starlink, it will be like giving all the information to a lone man who has its own agenda. Why he isn't even kidnapped like Meng Wanzhou of Huawei is beyond our concern. Probably because half the world just don't like China dominating the 5G.

American tricks are not working anymore. The Indonesian president is in Russia right now, to hold talks with Vladimir Putin. He wants to secure supplies of wheat, fertilizer and crude oil from Russia. The Indians are sending delegation after delegation, to secure deliveries of oil, LNG, coal, fertilizer and chemicals. Americans can cry as much as they want about evil Russians invading a poor third world country. But thanks to social media (owned by the Americans themselves), a lot of people are getting their information outside the mainstream media and they are more aware about the situation.

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Quote from: DrBeer on June 30, 2022, 06:39:22 PM

Quote from: laredo7mm on June 30, 2022, 12:12:39 PM

It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

"Russian hackers" as well as "Russian, the second most powerful army in the world" as well as their "unparalleled weapons" is a fake. A fake that was launched on all pro-Russian information channels many years ago

Yes, it affects immature minds, and people who are not used to checking information. But in reality - apart from rough and primitive destruction, they can do nothing even with a small Ukraine! Their "vaunted army" received a global rebuff in Ukraine, their entire fake doctrine of "occupying Ukraine in 2 weeks" failed. All their attempts to influence the work of Ukrainian companies and the army did not give any noticeable result, moreover, they showed their fake "power" in all directions! Name at least one example of how Russian hacker groups, which you claim are very strong and well-known, were able to cause real, global harm to Ukraine?

Attempts - were, I agree, in the subject. But not a single group could do a real total collapse. Russia is a complete fake, from history to "the most powerful hackers"!

Its a fake pro Russian information but the US government kept accusing them of hacking everything including that gas pipeline without proving it. Apparently they intensify the information which glorify the Russian hacker information instead. If the Russians were just to make it brutal, they wouldn't give access to internet at all like what happened in Afghanistan or Iraq war, they must have understood Internet access is among of human rights as well.

Certainly they wouldn't allow Elon's Starlink, it will be like giving all the information to a lone man who has its own agenda. Why he isn't even kidnapped like Meng Wanzhou of Huawei is beyond our concern. Probably because half the world just don't like China dominating the 5G.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on June 30, 2022, 12:12:39 PM

It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

"Russian hackers" as well as "Russian, the second most powerful army in the world" as well as their "unparalleled weapons" is a fake. A fake that was launched on all pro-Russian information channels many years ago

Yes, it affects immature minds, and people who are not used to checking information. But in reality - apart from rough and primitive destruction, they can do nothing even with a small Ukraine! Their "vaunted army" received a global rebuff in Ukraine, their entire fake doctrine of "occupying Ukraine in 2 weeks" failed. All their attempts to influence the work of Ukrainian companies and the army did not give any noticeable result, moreover, they showed their fake "power" in all directions! Name at least one example of how Russian hacker groups, which you claim are very strong and well-known, were able to cause real, global harm to Ukraine?

Attempts - were, I agree, in the subject. But not a single group could do a real total collapse. Russia is a complete fake, from history to "the most powerful hackers"!

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Quote from: Pesona1 on June 29, 2022, 08:37:34 AM

I think it is not surprising that Russia has now mastered everything in Ukraine, including the internet network in Ukraine today, war in the modern era like today, of course, the internet and telephone networks are vital things that are very decisive and that's why why russia is targeting to take over control of internet and telephone servers in the country,I think nowadays it will be very difficult for ukraine citizens to hide their privacy on internet because they are getting surveillance from russian side.

If they know that someone is watching them from the other side then why cant they just disconnect their internet but that will be a lot harder to move since internet is already part of our daily lives but they can also use the internet offered by musk. Don't tell me that they also didn't trust musk? But afaik, Musk already help them before when their internet on their country is unavailable and I don't think must is also spying on them and leaking their data's to Russia.

For those people that prefers the internet controlled by Putin rather than musk I think they are out of their minds already, did they forget that Putin is the mastermind behind the attack that happened to their own country?

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It's very common to spy on your enemy's network to extract information during wartime. In general time powerful countries spy on their neighbors to blackmail them to fulfill their interests. So I am not surprised here. If you know your enemy's movement or you know what people are thinking then you can easily manipulate the situation.

Russia's hackers are world-famous and it is obvious that govt will use them to invade in Ukraine's internet also. They could influence people's sentiment by spreading fake news or fake survey reports to influence people's sentiment.

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Quote from: NotATether on June 18, 2022, 11:46:44 AM

[This thread should probably be moved to Politics and Society.]

I think it would be very useful to uncover the goals and strategies (& tactics) of the Russian disinformation machine at large, if only for the people to see how it works and defend themselves from it.

It would also help us see how such a disinformation machine can be used by other bad entities (think anybody trying to be a Big Brother) could use it for their own nefarious purposes, in somecases for world-wide brainwashing - as the internet is worldwide and it transcends all countries.

Quote from: Hydrogen on June 16, 2022, 07:40:16 PM

Since the start of Putins war in February, disrupting or disabling Internet infrastructure has been a common tacticcontrolling the flow of information is a powerful weapon. Russian missiles have destroyed TV towers, a cyberattack against a satellite system had knock-on impacts across Europe, and disinformation has tried to break Ukrainian spirits. Despite frequent Internet blackouts, Ukraines rich ecosystem of Internet companies has rallied to keep people online. While Ukrainian troops are successfully launching counterattacksagainst Russian occupation in the south of the country, Kherson remains controlled by invading forces. (In March, it became the first major city to fall into Russian hands, and its residents have lived under occupation for around 100 days, reporting numerous incidents of torture.)

The success or failure of this operation depends on how completely they control the communication lines to control the narrative. Turkish Army rebels tried this in 2016 and failed because they didn't do it completely. Perhaps if Ukranians recapture Kherson in a few months, then the vast Russian communications apparatus will be quickly destroyed. Better no internet than an enemy-controlled one, from the army's point of view. Civilians will obviously maintain the opposite, and I myself must admit that life without internet connectivity is very unbearable (from previous experience).

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Elon Musk tried to be the hero to save ukraine from Putin's internet control via starlink. But apparently many do not like Elon Musk or starlink and so I guess that isn't considered a viable option.

I mean, there is only so much a billionaire can do to stand up to a dictator. Besides, their actions are largely uncoordinated.

Now Russia, as a representative of terrorist movements at the state level, is trying to simply DESTROY EVERYTHING on the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, influence through television / Internet / broadcasting is possible only in those cities that were captured in the first weeks of the war and did not suffer from Russian vandalism. In all other villages, towns and cities, there is virtually no infrastructure, after the arrival of the "Russian world", as well as most of the population Sad

Here, by the way, Musk helps us a lot in the fight against Russian Nazism, his Starlink helps our troops a lot, where Russian terrorists, out of habit, destroyed everything that was possible, including the infrastructure of the same mobile operators .. Yes, and it’s not safe. Musk's Starlink is an inaccessible technology for the "second army in the world", due to their technological backwardness and the absolutely fictional effectiveness of their weapons (electronic warfare systems in this case) ...

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Today, war is no longer only a gun but also a battle of the internet of social networks. You will gain an advantage over your competitors if you control the internet and the traditions of your opponents.

All communication and support activities from outside are through the internet if there is no internet, The war will be over if Russia controls the internet in its entirety.

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Elon didn't try to be a hero; he simply wanted to help. Ukraine is actually helpless without the help coming from everyone from everywhere. Elon is just one of them. It so happened that Elon can do a lot given his position. He has a lot; he can give a lot.

I don't agree that Elon's Starlink isn't a viable option. That Elon isn't liked by many doesn't mean his help for the Ukrainians isn't appreciated. His help has been vital. I'm sure the Ukrainians are very happy that Elon has come to their aid at the time they needed him most.

Of course, Russia is more than eager to get hold of information dissemination tools like the internet because that's the primary tool for their mind-conditioning operations.

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I think it is not surprising that Russia has now mastered everything in Ukraine, including the internet network in Ukraine today, war in the modern era like today, of course, the internet and telephone networks are vital things that are very decisive and that's why why russia is targeting to take over control of internet and telephone servers in the country,I think nowadays it will be very difficult for ukraine citizens to hide their privacy on internet because they are getting surveillance from russian side.

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Russia-Ukraine now wants to occupy three regions of Russia-Ukraine without occupying the Internet. The people of Ukraine are terrified to hear this.

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It was expected. All occupied territories of Ukraine must be transferred to all Russian companies, otherwise it will be complete chaos. Thus, Russia is moving away from the control of the occupied territories in the digital field, which simplifies its further activities in these territories.

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in this modern war, the internet become one of the country's weaknesses. you can control the internet you can control the communication right.

I read the Elon musk tweet about StarLink that is already available on Ukraine. but it is not enough since Starlink alone need some router and etc if the shipment is also controlled by the Russia well we are done.

we can use the internet using a proxy or VPN to keep secure but I don't know if that enough

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