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January 29, 2014, 11:41:07 PM
#33
Russia's economy is unhealthy based on natural resources, primarily gas.  their economy is not expected to grow very slowly unless this changes, but the rich / poor divide in Russia is massive.

Interesting what Max Keiser will do seen as he works for Putin

If you work for Putin, you do whatever Putin tells you to do Wink
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January 29, 2014, 01:35:05 PM
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Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?

Nope. Bulgaria. Though who actually controls it, nobody really knows .....

We know nothing about the company background, and the owners, even if it is one of the largest bitcoin exchange in the world.

lol sounds like Russia to me
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January 29, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
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Russia's economy is unhealthy based on natural resources, primarily gas.  their economy is not expected to grow very slowly unless this changes, but the rich / poor divide in Russia is massive.

Interesting what Max Keiser will do seen as he works for Putin
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January 29, 2014, 12:43:57 PM
#30
Ruble continues to fall. Can't be helping with those bank runs.

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January 29, 2014, 08:09:51 AM
#29
oops. the poor bankers.... they will loose control of the world...lol...
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January 29, 2014, 05:05:27 AM
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Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?

Nope. Bulgaria. Though who actually controls it, nobody really knows .....

We know nothing about the company background, and the owners, even if it is one of the largest bitcoin exchange in the world.

Scary isn't it. Kind of sums bitcoin up. No wonder the price isn't rising. Of the three big exchanges, one is self-imploding (Gox), one is basically anonymous and provides no customer service (btc-e), and one is based in Slovenia (bitstamp).

Not to mention Bitcoin Foundation director getting arrested for laundering drug money.

Imagine what the bitcoin price would be if anyone trusted anyone else Smiley
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January 29, 2014, 04:14:51 AM
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Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?

Nope. Bulgaria. Though who actually controls it, nobody really knows .....

We know nothing about the company background, and the owners, even if it is one of the largest bitcoin exchange in the world.
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January 29, 2014, 12:20:55 AM
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Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?

Nope. Bulgaria. Though who actually controls it, nobody really knows .....
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January 28, 2014, 10:05:43 PM
#25
I believe I have an explanation for this. Russia is commonly associated with bears, so all of them bears get excited when they drive the price down.

Nailed it.
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Blackjack.fun
January 28, 2014, 05:49:03 PM
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Of course they're going to hate Bitcoin! But the Russian people will still want it because having more than $21,000 in a Russian bank doesn't seem attractive.
It is not a problem. If you have $210,000 just open 10 accounts in 10 different banks. If you have $2,100,000 just open 100 accounts in 100 different banks  Wink  Grin

Opening a bank account usually takes a couple of days. Good look spending half a year just to secure your $2M Smiley

Btw, my russian colleague has just given me a website where you find all the crashed banks log

http://www.banki.ru/banks/memory/

Google translate doesnt work for me, but at least you can see dates.


Have you at least checked the "banks" on that list?
I doubt any of them had more than 2.1 mils deposited =)))).

You're spreading FUD right now.
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Blackjack.fun
January 28, 2014, 05:45:49 PM
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Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?

It's located in Bulgaria.
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January 28, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
#21
Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?

BTC-e is like the "e" say... located in Europe. Russia is not in Europe (HaHaHa) Cool
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January 28, 2014, 04:56:36 PM
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Isn't BTC-e located in Russia?
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January 28, 2014, 02:41:17 PM
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It seems that these countries who are banning bitcoin see it as a threat, otherwise they would probably just ignore it. Now why would they see it as a threat? I'd say there are many reasons, but I think it's mainly because it isn't controlled by central bank and because it threatens traditional currencies as means of exchange.
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January 28, 2014, 01:55:12 PM
#18
Russia is the second best country in the world!

中國是老大!
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January 28, 2014, 11:27:44 AM
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Another Russian bank bites the dust

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-28/russian-bank-halts-all-cash-withdrawals

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It would appear the fears of a global bank run are spreading. From HSBC's limiting large cash withdrawals (for your own good) to Lloyds ATMs going down, Bloomberg reports that 'My Bank' - one of Russia's top 200 lenders by assets - has introduced a complete ban on cash withdrawals until next week. While the Ruble has been losing ground rapidly recently, we suspect few have been expecting bank runs in Russia. Russia sovereign CDS had recently weakned to 4-month wides at 192bps.

 

Via Bloomberg,

    Lender has introduced complete ban on cash withdrawals until end of week, news agency reports, citing unidentified person in call center.
    Bank spokeswoman declined to comment by phone
    My Bank is top 200 lender by assets: Prime

   NOTE: Central bank has revoked about 30 banking licenses since July 1 when Elvira Nabiullina succeeded Sergei Ignatiev as governor, compared with three in the firt half of the year

Interestingly, Russia's biggest lender Sberbank has seen a 8.7% rise in deposits in December... it seems the Russian's are realizing that bank deposits are nothing more than risky loans to highly levered entities...
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January 28, 2014, 06:39:40 AM
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Central Bank is pretty conservative in Russia and this statement looks quite logical to me.

Potentially, they may allow operations in bitcoins after the majority of the world accepts it (1), and (2) after internal security agencies (NSA type) are OK with it.

They will not be in avangarde of BTC movement as little countries like Singapore, Denmark.. who else is there
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January 28, 2014, 01:28:39 AM
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LOL. 15 Russian banks have just collapsed with almost-complete deposit losses, their deposit insurance fund is empty, but they are warning people against the use of bitcoin.

The second most ridiculous statement about bitcoin after Cyprus central bank Smiley


Do you have more info on that?

Got this news from one of my contractors who lives in russia. I asked him to send me the complete list of sources and will post it soon.

It's 3 medium banks and 12 small banks that were crashed. More banks collapses are coming soon as insurance fund was depleted to partially cover deposits from the first 3 banks.

That was published in their regional press in multiple small articles. For obvious reasons they don't publish it at once at prime time. I wonder why western media still is not aware of this issue.

I'm surprised that Russians are still keeping their money in banks. Don't they remember how it was in 1998 when almost all the russian banks crashed with complete loss of deposits?


I can confirm that russia's economics in a big trouble now and in near future problems will continue to grow (thanks to russian politics, who too rude to read Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged").

Yesterday RUB/USD rate hit historical minimum in last 3 years (http://kurs-evro.com/kurs_rublya/), Demand in dollars from householders have grown in 3.5 times (demand in Euro growed with 50%) in last week.

In last 3 month there was closed about twenty banks (due to cancellation of licenses).

And big money outflow from country forces them to continue repressive monetary politics including creation of obstacles in bitcoins circulation and produce restrictions in any online anonymous payments (they try to make restrictions not only for bitcoins but for anything which can be used for terrorism financing ;-) ).
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January 28, 2014, 12:42:17 AM
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LOL. 15 Russian banks have just collapsed with almost-complete deposit losses, their deposit insurance fund is empty, but they are warning people against the use of bitcoin.

The second most ridiculous statement about bitcoin after Cyprus central bank Smiley


Do you have more info on that?

Got this news from one of my contractors who lives in russia. I asked him to send me the complete list of sources and will post it soon.

It's 3 medium banks and 12 small banks that were crashed. More banks collapses are coming soon as insurance fund was depleted to partially cover deposits from the first 3 banks.

That was published in their regional press in multiple small articles. For obvious reasons they don't publish it at once at prime time. I wonder why western media still is not aware of this issue.

I'm surprised that Russians are still keeping their money in banks. Don't they remember how it was in 1998 when almost all the russian banks crashed with complete loss of deposits?


I found this article online

http://www.bdlive.co.za/world/europe/2014/01/10/russia-revokes-siberian-banks-licence

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MOSCOW — Russian regulators have cancelled the licence of AKB Novokuznetsk Municipal Bank (NMB), saying that the Siberian lender made high-risk loans and allowed its owners to borrow from the company.

The Russian central bank said in a statement on its website on Thursday that NMB was running "a high-risk credit policy" and not adequately creating reserves for possible loan losses. The bank, which was among Russia’s top 300 lenders by assets as of last month, did not fulfil its obligations to creditors and depositors because of insufficient cash flow, the regulator said.

NMB said depositors with as much as 700,000 rubles ($21,000) are entitled to a full reimbursement from the Deposit Insurance Agency.

Payments would begin by January 23, the agency said on its website. NMB’s press office did not respond to calls seeking further comment.

The regulator has accelerated its crackdown since November 29 when it revoked the licence of Master Bank, Russia’s 41st largest lender by assets, for money-laundering violations. Midsize lenders Project Financing Bank and Smolensky Bank were also shuttered on December 13, and Investbank was closed after failing capital adequacy reviews.

The central bank has revoked about 30 banking licences since July 1 when Elvira Nabiullina succeeded Sergey Ignatiev as governor, compared with three in the first half of the year. She is striving to tighten regulation of banks and curtail net capital outflow, forecast at about $55bn last year.

NMB, which focused on the Kemerovo region of Siberia, was set up in 1994 and provides services to firms and individuals, according to its website.

An unidentified NMB director is being probed for allegedly transferring cash from the bank to other lenders in Russia to repay debts, according to a statement on Thursday by the Russian Investigative Committee. This had resulted in depriving the bank of sufficient reserves to cover its clients’ loans, according to the statement.

So the Russian banks are shaky, deposit compensations funds are low are they're worried about capital outflows ($55bn last year).

Of course they're going to hate Bitcoin! But the Russian people will still want it because having more than $21,000 in a Russian bank doesn't seem attractive.

If oil prices tank Russia is in big trouble!
It seems that Russian banks are more ridiculous that bitcoins, lol
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