Russia Will 'Never' Consider Bitcoin Legalization, Says Minister

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Quote from: AliVul on December 02, 2017, 10:14:41 AM

Representatives of state bodies are talking about a lot of things in general, aren`t always talking business and their words don't always remain unchanged

Exactly, his views might not be reflective of the Russian government's agenda but rather his personal opinion which for me it's fair to express but he should be honest with himself and separate his position from that of governments because the statement is too conclusive.

Yes exactly. It's just an opinion. I could see it was nonesense as son as read "never" because you should never say never. He is bit a special person when can change things he s not a God he has no magical powers. Just blowing fire u have arse.

They obviously very scared of Bitcoin. That is the power if Bitcoin. In brings fear to this house don't want freedom. In threatens the greedy and lawless. Tax havens fear it because they want their cut. They will call us aoo sorts if things and try use media to portray bitcoin as evil. Something cannot be evil only a person can be evil. A tool is a tool. A spanner cannot be evil for it is a tool and the same with Bitcoin. If you heat someone to death with a spanner shuod we now blame the spanner? A very useful tool?

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Quote from: ajmapalo22 on December 03, 2017, 07:50:02 AM

I understand that some countries will not consider bitcoin as a legal currency especially after hearing some bad news involving bitcoin in illegal transactions maybe some countries don't see bitcoin as a tool to help their economy others might be threaten of the capability of bitcoin and cryptocurrency to rule the world market they don't want to lose their control over currencies which bitcoin offering to us.

Usually the more conservative a country is the more it is reserved and afraid of changes. I've just read about some religious freaks from Turkey being against it, China with their socialist attitude and now Russia, the mother of communism. I'm not at all surprised. It was to be expected. Fortunately most of the world supports progress and conservatists are in the minority, just like religious fanatics.

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I understand that some countries will not consider bitcoin as a legal currency especially after hearing some bad news involving bitcoin in illegal transactions maybe some countries don't see bitcoin as a tool to help their economy others might be threaten of the capability of bitcoin and cryptocurrency to rule the world market they don't want to lose their control over currencies which bitcoin offering to us.

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Will doubt this statement from Russia, they were never stable in comes to adoption of bitcoin. They had their own coin so what's the matter and the sense of telling this. Countries like Russia which is progressive will never stay out of the league, they'll do something just to get advancement and bitcoin is a great technology for their marketplaces and this "never" will be replaced into "ever" soon.

Is that a joke? when Russia was a progressive country? Russia's economy is insignificant. Putin fears the spread of bitcoin. He will surely forbid it. The idea of crypto money will not receive wide distribution. The main condition for the popularity of the cryptocurrency is freedom. It seems to me that the idea of the various States to issue its own cryptocurrency will fail.

If you know what I mean about it's progress in arms, they are progressive on that thing and I'm generalizing them with that. What I'm pointing out is there is no sense of saying that they will never get into bitcoin while they are promoting their own coin that is also a cryptocurrency. Issuance of their own cryptocurrencies will likely to be a failure, I never heard of a country that has a cryptocurrency that became popular.

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Quote from: batang_bitcoin on December 02, 2017, 04:55:08 PM

Will doubt this statement from Russia, they were never stable in comes to adoption of bitcoin. They had their own coin so what's the matter and the sense of telling this. Countries like Russia which is progressive will never stay out of the league, they'll do something just to get advancement and bitcoin is a great technology for their marketplaces and this "never" will be replaced into "ever" soon.

Is that a joke? when Russia was a progressive country? Russia's economy is insignificant. Putin fears the spread of bitcoin. He will surely forbid it. The idea of crypto money will not receive wide distribution. The main condition for the popularity of the cryptocurrency is freedom. It seems to me that the idea of the various States to issue its own cryptocurrency will fail.

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Quote from: PlusCoinINK on November 28, 2017, 09:12:06 PM

The Russian minister of communications and mass media said yesterday that the country will not consider the legalization of digital currencies like bitcoin. However, Nikiforov added that it is "quite possible" that Russia could consider using blockchain technology, as well as various digital tokens. However he did not provide any context in which the technology might be utilized.

What are your insights about this? Do you think it's really not possible to legalize Bitcoin in Russia?
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https://www.coindesk.com/russia-will-never-consider-bitcoin-legalization-says-minister/

Doesn't surprise me, but as long as they don't have it banned there isn't much else that can be done. If Bitcoin can remain in a "decriminalized" status, then there is nothing that prevents the Russian users from doing what they do as long as they pay their taxes and don't try to circumvent the laws of the land. I have a feeling that "legalization" for a lot of these countries just means that they are allowing for the users within their borders to pay taxes and have it accepted as a legally tender currency; something that most countries wouldn't want to have happen and compete against their own indigenous currencies.

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Quote from: stompix on December 02, 2017, 03:56:07 PM

First, he is the minister of communications, so he is not directly involved with financial aspects.
Not that I would care what the minister of finance or the head of the central banks says.

What is matters is what Putin thinks, and I doubt he is enjoying a free crypto.

And to all those saying Putin met with Vitalik, bla bla....publicity stunts, nothing more.
Remember when Putin gave Xi a Russian made YotaPhone (bankrupt now) ?
https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/11/10/vladimir-putin-gives-xi-jinping-a-russian-yotaphone-2-as-gift/

Russia loves to give crap to China and China keeps coming for more. They got the soviet era aircraft carrier that would otherwise be scrapped and many other things. I'm always amazed by their business plans.
Ministers come and go. this guy thinks this and in 5 years another, younger guy will think otherwise. This minister looks quite young, I wonder why he talks like a grumpy old fart. Probably spent too much time with those conservative grandpas from the banking sector.

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Russia is pretty unpredictable and unreliable when it comes to these things. If in the near future its in their best interest to support bitcoin, they'll regulate and legalize it and start adding support and incentives for cryptocurrencies - thats just how they work and have been doing for the past decade.

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Quote from: Yazrielle on December 02, 2017, 09:35:56 AM

I have red this article they said the russian law will not tolorate this foreign block chain called bitcoin but its possible thay they will use blockchain technology,but maybe if they're own creation. Bitcoin is unstopable and they cant trace where it came from they'll never control it that is why russia will never legalize btc.

It sure seems like they softened their stance a lot. In 2014, the government stated that Bitcoin payments were illegal, categorizing it as an illicit money substitute.

I recall either the Finance Minister or his deputy recently said there was no point in banning cryptocurrencies. And there was also a recent story about a local Russian governor issuing an open invitation for Bitcoin miners to set up farms in his province.

In other words, there is a lot of flip flopping. At this point, I don't take statements from Russian officials seriously at all. Not until I see actual laws/regulations being passed. They've been playing these games for years.

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Quote from: stompix on December 02, 2017, 03:56:07 PM

First, he is the minister of communications, so he is not directly involved with financial aspects.
Not that I would care what the minister of finance or the head of the central banks says.

What is matters is what Putin thinks, and I doubt he is enjoying a free crypto.

And to all those saying Putin met with Vitalik, bla bla....publicity stunts, nothing more.
Remember when Putin gave Xi a Russian made YotaPhone (bankrupt now) ?
https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/11/10/vladimir-putin-gives-xi-jinping-a-russian-yotaphone-2-as-gift/

Thanks for the clarification, communications to financial? That's too far from that minister is talking. He is illiterate on what he talks so don't believe him. This might be another cover up for their future plans with bitcoin, like the old one before that keeps on talking about death of bitcoin and it is fraudulent. Now his company is ready to accept bitcoin, I doubt that Russia will never consider bitcoin.

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Will doubt this statement from Russia, they were never stable in comes to adoption of bitcoin. They had their own coin so what's the matter and the sense of telling this. Countries like Russia which is progressive will never stay out of the league, they'll do something just to get advancement and bitcoin is a great technology for their marketplaces and this "never" will be replaced into "ever" soon.

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Be wary when anyone with any kind of influence or say on things uses 'infinitives' like never or always. There are no absolutes in this game. Using words like that is a tell that there is something else going on behind the scenes.

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We cannot blame these country if they are not in favor of bitcoin it is because they see the disadvantage of having these cryptos rather than the help it could give in the economy but even though I am still hoping that time will come and all countries in the world will be in favor of bitcoin and somehow the legality of bitcoin can be declare soon for now let's just continue supporting bitcoin and let the world see its worth

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it's been a while since Russia wants to develop its own blockchain right?

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Hello all! What a pity that half of Earth (I mean the territory of Russian Federation) don't allow cryptocurrency. They to provoke Russian people hack all this system and avoid any borders. Russian people don't like borders, limits and constraints!!! Also I know never say never.

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Quote from: yoseph on December 02, 2017, 04:06:39 PM

The Russians have not been very decisive on bitcoins and any other cryptocurrency as a matter of fact. There are always rumors that they are going to adapt bitcoin and the blockchain technology and then reports will later emerge that they are not going to allow its legalization.

This doesn't matter as we observe this from the crypto market before. No matter if they adopt this or ban this, bitcoin is staying as bitcoin and getting a huge demand by the traders.

They may not adop bitcoin, they can even blame bitcoin for being a scam, doesn't matter.

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The Russians have not been very decisive on bitcoins and any other cryptocurrency as a matter of fact. There are always rumors that they are going to adapt bitcoin and the blockchain technology and then reports will later emerge that they are not going to allow its legalization.

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First, he is the minister of communications, so he is not directly involved with financial aspects.
Not that I would care what the minister of finance or the head of the central banks says.

What matters is what Putin thinks, and I doubt he is enjoying the perspective of a free crypto.

And to all those saying Putin met with Vitalik, bla bla....publicity stunts, nothing more.
Remember when Putin gave Xi a Russian made YotaPhone (bankrupt now) ?
https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/11/10/vladimir-putin-gives-xi-jinping-a-russian-yotaphone-2-as-gift/

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Quote from: AliVul on December 02, 2017, 10:14:41 AM

Representatives of state bodies are talking about a lot of things in general, aren`t always talking business and their words don't always remain unchanged

Exactly, his views might not be reflective of the Russian government's agenda but rather his personal opinion which for me it's fair to express but he should be honest with himself and separate his position from that of governments because the statement is too conclusive.

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Representatives of state bodies are talking about a lot of things in general, aren`t always talking business and their words don't always remain unchanged

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