Topic: Russian Bitcoin Users Can Face Jail Time up to 15 years - page 3. (Read 11558 times)

Two points here:

Firstly, offence is entirely on the side of the receiver. You could tell me to go fuck a pig, and I wouldn't be offended. Tell the same words to my neighbour and they might faint at having heard the most offensive thing ever in their life.

If people become offended by words and opinions, they need to review their internal mental state and why they chose to take offence in the first place.

Secondly, I can only rate Russia on the image that it wishes to give us outsiders. A nation run by lawless oligarchs, with a corrupt, festering political core. A nation of men who must appear hyper-macho at all times, and women who are nothing more than subservient beautiful dolls. A nation which promotes despicably backwards views about gays and blacks. A nation which is desperate to cling to its Soviet past by invading 'breakaway' states - guess what, if they want to break away what right do you have to force them to remain?

Which is the true Russia? Show me the peace, love and tolerance which we come to expect from civilised countries and I will change my mind. Until then however...

I personally make it point to NOT learn about ANY country by reading media controlled by it's government.  In the case of Russia and especially China, this means pretty much all domestically produced works.  In other countries which enjoy a bit more press freedom such as the U.S., it means simply avoiding the mainstream media.

that's a very good point.. RT and Max Kaiser have been championing bit coins for a very long time.

Central banks starts to be threatened by something better, decentralized cryptocurrencies. But I dont think society is ready for decentralized cryptocurrencies to take over centralized ones right now or in near future

This is sobering proof that Russia is looking to take over Bitcoin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXqKkYYALMU

that sounds more like the Russian miners and mining pool operators might have a problem since it is their work that issues new currency.
as for BTC-E I wouldn't worry too much as it is in bulgaria which is part of the EU.

if Russia wanted to invade and shut them down they would have to deal with more than just the Bulgarian government.

In case anyone still thinks this was "just" media hype, the first thing I would say is that media hype in Russia (especially via state-owned media) is often the preferred method for signalling how the authorities feel about something, and maybe preparing the country for upcoming policy or legislation.

The CBR announcement (link below) specifically states that "the issuing of currency surrogates in the Russian Federation is prohibited."  They may not be planning to arrest everyone with a BTC-E account, but they are saying that the Bitcoin economy is not welcome in Russia.

(One potential implication: this could be problematic for Russia Today's work as a Bitcoin cheerleader)

http://www.cbr.ru/press/PR.aspx?file=27012014_1825052.htm

are you asking why a bank cant see the benefits of bitcoin?

i would have thought that would have been obvious, because bitcoin threatens to disrupt their entire business model.
anyone who expects federal banks, central banks or reserve banks etc to embrace bitcoin are just being silly.

ask yourself this... if a central bank cant print money and do whatever it wants to influence the economy then what is it good for?

I don't know the specific laws because all the news I've seen seems to ban giving info about gays,which effectively stop people from saying we want equality or something to that effect.

It's drawn a lot of complaints though.

disinfo?Never heard of that term before.Starting to think things aren't so clear :/

Edit:Here's a better article on it http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/russia-anti-gay-law-casts-a-shadow-over-sochis-2014-olympics/2013/09/29/3646344c-27a6-11e3-9372-92606241ae9c_story.html

You may be parroting some disinfo here. Which laws are you referring to?

Benefits outweigh the negative use of Bitcoin by about 50,000 times why cant they see this ?

it happened in Germany in 1920s and 30s when the jews had too much gold.
so yes having a certain type of money can get you killed..

more recently Argentinians cant own gold and im sure that anyone caught with USD in north korea (that isn't connected with the ruling class) would probably be jailed or shot.

atleast BTC and other crypto are easier to hide. if you keep your private keys in your head or your entire BTC environment encrypted on your computer.. who's going to know you have them?

Tell me about it...

People love to use exaggerated title for their own reasons (to attract eyeball, to spread FUD, etc).
Just like how people kept saying "China banned bitcoin" a while ago. 

Wow, that's little harsh there :O

I have several friends in the US who are Russian emigres. They love Russia and their native culture but they hate/fear their government and most will never go back, even to visit. Very sad.

At least Russian women are foxes

No, no no

Russia's bank WARNED against using Bitcoin, that you could be unknowingly involved in illegal shit, and did the standard FUD about devaluation. If you convert rubles to USD on the street blackmarket in Russia you could also be unknowingly involved in something illegal, or if you bought a bottle of counterfeit vodka from a street vendor, or if you deposited money to one of the criminal oligarch owned banks...

They did not threaten prison for simply using Bitcoin. Russia has plenty of virtual currencies like Webmoney and Perfectmoney is run by Russians, same with Okpay and dozens of others. Remember the Russian govt says a lot of things then you walk around Moscow and it's a free-for-all of blackmarket currency traders openly operating without a care in the world.

 

it seems there is a lot of hatred and disinformation in this thread. the public of western countries have been exposed to tons of russiaphobia and demonization for 3 generations now. all this duck and cover crap, rambo and the rest of the hollywood agenda did a good job at making people completely terrified of russians. during 90s when russia was sold out through oligarchs to the west the US government invented new threat - TERRORISM! now that russia is getting strong again all this bullshit is coming back. dont you see that the western propaganda is all about keeping its citizens scared - as a result the masses are easier to control. everything that you ever hear about russia now comes through the western media cartels that will obviously shape it in their own way presented to you appropriately. its simple hatred that been enforced upon us. most russians are absolutely proud of putin. after the devastating 90s people lost everything due to hyperinflation, after humiliation that yeltsin brought upon them people were immigrating like flees. life expectancy dropped and population demoralizing fast. the only drug you could buy was heroin coming very cheap fresh off taliban fields. the life was so bad there were almost no births. kindergartens and schools were almost empty and heavily underfinanced. the resources were sold for almost free. defence budget became non-existent. yeltsin did one good thing though - he made putin a prime minister. in that short year he started to literally fight for the justice and sized control from oligarchs that split the country into their zones of influence. back in ussr only the very smartest people ever made it to kgb. the guy remembers almost everything, talking off his head he references all the names, surnames, dates, sums of money, numbers etc. he dont report to his masters/sponsors like in the west where leaders are only simply spokespersons talking off teleprompter and never making decisions on the spot. russia right now dont have national debt - noone owns russia but forces within the country. the central bank (as i stated above) is not government owned - fed pretty much controls it. this central bank collapsing is all imposed as another trick against putin's dominance. though they are playing right into his hands as if/when russian central bank goes under its obvious who the new owner is going to be. whatever i write here can be cross referenced. but for the love of god dont build your opinion based on one sided information. see both and then make up your own mind.

Yeah can someone make it already as I think Putin is just a stupid bigot for his anti gay laws.Thankfully I live in UK so I can express my views more freely than in Russia.