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I will tell you a very very terrible secret about cars in Russia. A lot of used Russian cars and used foreign cars in Russia after a traffic accident do not have airbags. Airbags are not installed because they are very expensive. You can travel by taxi or rent a foreign car with the idea that airbags are installed, but your thoughts will not help you Grin

So how does this prove your point about Russia manufacturing stuff on par with western technology?
You're just admitting people there are too poor to have an airbag in their car.

Watching what you call Russia. If you keep in mind all Russian citizens who work in Western companies, then Russia is one of the best in the world.

It's hard for me to understand your logic. You think that if a person does not have an airbag in the car, then he is poor. But if you come to visit this person, then he can take you to a club and spend 10,000 dollars there.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 31, 2022, 06:50:21 AM

Palladium are used in cell phones, hard drives, circuit board components and capacitors and Russia produce between 25-30% of global supply of Palladium.

I keep thinking, If Russia produces 70% of that, 80% of that, 90% of that if Russia can trigger this and that, if everyone will be dead without Russia, why does that 140 million larger than anything on this planet country has a GDP the size of Italy?
Must be a mystery.

Quote from: zasad@ on March 31, 2022, 09:03:10 AM

I will tell you a very very terrible secret about cars in Russia. A lot of used Russian cars and used foreign cars in Russia after a traffic accident do not have airbags. Airbags are not installed because they are very expensive. You can travel by taxi or rent a foreign car with the idea that airbags are installed, but your thoughts will not help you Grin

So how does this prove your point about Russia manufacturing stuff on par with western technology?
You're just admitting people there are too poor to have an airbag in their car.

Quote from: Flexystar on March 31, 2022, 07:54:42 AM

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
-Albert Einstein

I guess this should inspire everyone why this genius said it already. Kinda started to feel that he made all the calculations on back of his mind, went to the future, came back and said this. Lolz

That is just stupid, it was a quote meant to show the importance of something not to actually predict the future.
If a nuclear bomb wipes half of the earth tomorrow do you think people will somehow forget how to manufacture guns? We had cannons in the 13 century, how could be possible that we would regress beyond that in terms of technology?
If you're going to survive a nuclear war are you going to quit eating cooked food and start eating it raw or something?

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Quote from: zasad@ on March 30, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars.
Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market.

So, we have gone from producing high-end chips on par with Intel or ARM, to producing cars without airbags, to importing them from China.
This would be laughable if it wouldn't be really pathetic for a country that still claims and manages to fool some of its citizens into being a global superpower.
India is making airbags compulsory for new cars, Russia thinks of building cars without, one more step great leap toward the flintstone mobile.

I will tell you a very very terrible secret about cars in Russia. A lot of used Russian cars and used foreign cars in Russia after a traffic accident do not have airbags. Airbags are not installed because they are very expensive. You can travel by taxi or rent a foreign car with the idea that airbags are installed, but your thoughts will not help you Grin

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Quote from: stompix on March 30, 2022, 05:53:31 AM

Quote from: zasad@ on March 07, 2022, 01:34:52 AM

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As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology:
https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm

Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality:

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Yes, western sanctions will actually cause a boomerang effect, considering that Russia is the largest supplier of raw materials for electronic equipment, especially chips.

Chips are made of silicon, what you've read is about Xeon and neon but there is no crisis anywhere and it's not Russia but Ukraine who is making those. And good luck angering China with a low supply of chips that would cripple their manufacturing industry.

I gotta say the discussion is somehow going towards one man's historical words,

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"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones"
-Albert Einstein

I guess this should inspire everyone why this genius said it already. Kinda started to feel that he made all the calculations on back of his mind, went to the future, came back and said this. Lolz

We are already talking about short supplies, increased demands, of things which are 99% part of our modern kingdom. If this war continues then it might be possibiity that Russian allies will have to join either Russia or West side of the world. If they dont, Im afraid Putin will just throw away few bombs on them too.

So its bit complicated situation.

IT is just one of the component from whole system.

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Palladium are used in cell phones, hard drives, circuit board components and capacitors and Russia produce between 25-30% of global supply of Palladium. This has caused an increase of almost 80% in the price of Palladium this year and the price reached a all-time high.

Luckily ... the bulk of the world's palladium supply comes from South Africa and the U.S. and Canada, so this war will not cripple the supply of Palladium globally. Wink

Silicon is one of the most abundant elements in the world and it is also a primary component in almost all electronic devices, so the main component is not a problem at all. Grin

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Quote from: Zilon on March 31, 2022, 05:21:21 AM

Russians can sill develop strong economic immunity against this sanctions by forming a strong alliance with china. With the long standing relationship between the Chinese and Russian nations, Russians can access the international market through china and Mr Xi Jinping can be the escape root in the face of the heavy sanctions bypassing the wavy threat coming from the West

They can, but it will take a lot of time to complete all negotiations and logistics issues. Everything is possible. They only need time. But you can rely on China always. The strong and weak point of Russian economy are their natural resources. Supply if huge, but you can rely on it forever. Imagine that you have infinite amount of money, but you dont produce anything. Everything you need is from abroad. You are very dependable from others, to do something by yourself. That is the big problem.

Russian IT sector is one of the strongest, "one of best brains in the world". But the problem is, demand on it became low recently. And useless without foreign help and technology. When Russians runs out of spare money and number of unemployed increases, they will start to do work for a lower fee and salaries on IT engineering sectors will decrease, but all the hardware prices goes up.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on March 02, 2022, 12:14:38 PM

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

The IT sector is much more of a broader concept than its hardware, but the hardware itself is much broader than just the IT sector if that makes sense. The semiconductor issue in general affects a whole array of sectors that are not primarily IT, so actually, the semiconductor shortage is much more of a problem because there is really no sector that doesn't use it (I am generalizing here, cal ti vast majority). I would say it's a big issue, that could impact not just technological growth but also day to day functioning of many aspects of our lives. It might not affect us in a big way, but it could add up.

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Russians can sill develop strong economic immunity against this sanctions by forming a strong alliance with china. With the long standing relationship between the Chinese and Russian nations, Russians can access the international market through china and Mr Xi Jinping can be the escape root in the face of the heavy sanctions bypassing the wavy threat coming from the West

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For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.

They are purchasing because the price of oil from Russia is significantly lower than the price of oil purchased from other countries. Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist in his efforts to counter the economic sanctions that are having a negative impact on everyone, such as legalizing piracy in their country. I believe India was one of the countries that purchased oils for them at a low cost, and I believe that they will continue to do so because of the high price of gasoline currently in effect. We can only stop selling to them, but we cannot completely prevent them from doing so. Sanctions and war are making our lives worse all over the world right now.

If I am not wrong China and India are buying and hoarding huge amount of oil as much as they can because Putin announced that he is selling for discount price to the friendly countries but they are not alone as I said many western countries are also buying but now they have to buy at the price that is decided by Russia and importantly they have to pay in Ruble not in USD that will create the biggest impact.

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This is actually gonna have completely different effect on the world if the war continues and things does not settle for the Oil/gas problems.

The projected changes I see:
1) Powerful countries will hunt down new ways of fuelling their day-to-day machines.
2) The world would move to more greener energy as compared to oil based
3) The Ores will be researched in another geo location. (Russia is not the only mega producer, australia is another live-stock!)
4) There will be whole new innovation in the semi-conductor industry. May be a different type of metal combo, even more efficient, more cheap.

Let us not forget, bitcoin was one of such idea from one man's mind which shook the economical system. Governments went crazy after the assets prices and how traditional banking got beheaded in short span.

So yup, this war will bring more to this world.

In similar way first and second world war made humans to research nuclear weapons, bio weapons and what not when they had technological under-development.

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Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist

I don't think there is any drug on the dark market that can make you say something like this, whatever you're smoking Fentanyl is like Hubba Bubba compared to it.

Exactly what I wanted to say to him. That post of his was just plain dumb and completely devoid of a sense of reality. Putin was not and will never be a brilliant strategist. His oligarchs has been stealing military funds behind his back. Putin has no idea of what is happening in his own military. His generals are clueless and incompetent idiots who have made horrible as well as terrifyingly awful decisions.

In the first wave, Putin (illegally) sent young conscripts to their deaths. They were not even done with their training. They were just there to soak up the first bullets.

Which part of this screams brilliance or strategy?

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Quote from: zasad@ on March 30, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars.
Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market.

So, we have gone from producing high-end chips on par with Intel or ARM, to producing cars without airbags, to importing them from China.
This would be laughable if it wouldn't be really pathetic for a country that still claims and manages to fool some of its citizens into being a global superpower.
India is making airbags compulsory for new cars, Russia thinks of building cars without, one more step great leap toward the flintstone mobile.

Quote from: xSkylarx on March 30, 2022, 09:08:36 AM

Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist

I don't think there is any drug on the dark market that can make you say something like this, whatever you're smoking Fentanyl is like Hubba Bubba compared to it.

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Quote from: zasad@ on March 30, 2022, 10:21:14 AM

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You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars.
Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market.

What you are describing is a "shuttle economy", when, almost in suitcases, through private individuals, they import something necessary. It already happened. The USSR ended its existence like that - I found these times and remember them very well. But you do not quite understand the essence of the sanctions, or rather 1 small phrase. It sounds like this - "a ban on the supply of DUAL-purpose solutions." And this means that OFFICIALLY and in sufficient quantities, to ensure on an industrial scale - there will be no deliveries. No satellite navigation systems, no chips, nothing that could potentially be used in the military industry.

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Quote from: stompix on March 30, 2022, 05:53:31 AM

Quote from: zasad@ on March 07, 2022, 01:34:52 AM

If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world.
I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA.
I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles.

As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology:
https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm

Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality:

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According to unofficial data, the sedan in the basic configuration will have even fewer options than the "Grants" of the 2011 model. Buyers will be deprived of the only airbag, the ERA-GLONASS unit, ABS and ESP systems, the engine will be adapted to the Euro-2 eco-standard, the exhaust system will do without oxygen sensors. Similarly

Oh, and be proud of your foreign expensive car, I heard you can buy a house with one of those now unless you need spare parts, which costs about a house. A lot of people in Russia will be a quick and painful awakening.

You have not lived in Russia and do not understand how the economy works there. Even if there are the toughest sanctions, new American or European cars will appear in Russia at the same time as in the USA. First, the cars will be delivered to Georgia, and then to Russia. In Georgia, on the border with Russia, there will be a lot of service centers that will service these cars.
Most Russian low-cost cars will not have ERA-GLONASS, ABS and ESP systems, airbags, but Chinese and Indian companies will quickly occupy this market.

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Quote from: Findingnemo on March 30, 2022, 08:14:43 AM

Quote from: laredo7mm on March 02, 2022, 12:14:38 PM

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.

They are purchasing because the price of oil from Russia is significantly lower than the price of oil purchased from other countries. Russian President Vladimir Putin is a brilliant strategist in his efforts to counter the economic sanctions that are having a negative impact on everyone, such as legalizing piracy in their country. I believe India was one of the countries that purchased oils for them at a low cost, and I believe that they will continue to do so because of the high price of gasoline currently in effect. We can only stop selling to them, but we cannot completely prevent them from doing so. Sanctions and war are making our lives worse all over the world right now.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on March 02, 2022, 12:14:38 PM

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

Even in US they feel the effects already with the increase of gas prices which will cause every price to be increased but governments will not reverse the sanctions especially US but countries from EU are still buying oil from Russia and they will continue to do so the trade deals will affect everyone instead of the only one.

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Quote from: zasad@ on March 07, 2022, 01:34:52 AM

If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world.
I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA.
I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles.

As I told you on the other topic, let's bump this one with the miracles of Russian technology:
https://motor.ru/news/granta-2022-options-26-03-2022.htm

Of course, Russia will replace US chips, of course, it will replace Eu technology, of course, it will replace everything as they are just so good at doing stuff. Meanwhile, in reality:

Quote from: ?? on ??

Yes, western sanctions will actually cause a boomerang effect, considering that Russia is the largest supplier of raw materials for electronic equipment, especially chips.

Chips are made of silicon, what you've read is about Xeon and neon but there is no crisis anywhere and it's not Russia but Ukraine who is making those. And good luck angering China with a low supply of chips that would cripple their manufacturing industry.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on March 02, 2022, 12:14:38 PM

For Russia's war with Ukraine, the west put heavy sanctions on Russia. That means export and import with Russia is not accessible. Data shows Russia is the biggest exporter of raw materials like copper, aluminum, nickel, platinum, palladium, etc which is used in chip making. That means we are expecting more delays in the semiconductor industry. We all know how important this staff is to run electronic devices. Disruption on-chip shortages could spike the price of digital devices too which affects globally. Is that a good idea to push Russia out of the world economy? This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

Let's turn a little to the manufacturing processes of microelectronics and semiconductors. The main raw materials for MODERN elements of the microelectronic industry are silicon and rare earth metals (scandium, yttrium, lanthanum and lanthanides - cerium, praseodymium, neodymium, promethium, samarium, europium, gadolinium, terbium, dysprosium, holmium, erbium, thulium, ytterbium, lutetium ). And now the question is - what does copper, nickel, aluminum, platinum, palladium have to do with the above natural resources?

Remember a simple fact - Russia is a technologically backward country, living only at the expense of Western technology, and having no influence on modern technology.
PS A almost exclusive supplier of rare earth metals is China

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https://indicator.ru/mathematics/sovetskij-kompyuter-elbrus.htm

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The next level was the Elbrus-3 supercomputer, based on a completely new ELBRUS architecture, which the developers called the “post-superscalar approach” (and which Intel, Transmeta and HP will start working on only in the mid-nineties). He passed all the tests, but the only working copy, built in 1994, was not needed by anyone in the newborn half-starved country.

So a prototype that was never used, like the T14 or the PAK FA, yeah, the usual KGB propagnda bullshit.
And if you didn't manage to get something done in the '90, not 10 years ago, how do you plan on doing it now when the times are even worse?
Use your brain, who is going to keep living there knowing in the west they pay him 10 times more and he has a chance to drive something better than a lada. Oh, wait, Ladas are made by Renault, bye bye!!

Quote from: zasad@ on March 06, 2022, 02:00:22 PM

I hope you don't consider bloomberg to be Russian propaganda

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-25/war-in-world-s-breadbasket-leaves-big-buyers-hunting-for-wheat

Have you actually read the article? Doubt it!

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Russia and Ukraine supply crops to a long list of countries around the world, including large volumes to buyers in the Middle East and Africa, who will have to look elsewhere and probably pay more for both the grain itself and the cost of shipping. Egypt, the top wheat importer, had scheduled a tender on Thursday but canceled it after only receiving one offer -- of French wheat.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/wheat-production-by-country

Europe produces 1 and a half the wheat Russia does, this is where exports from Russia and Ukraine go:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/17/infographic-russia-ukraine-and-the-global-wheat-supply-interactive

Now, please tell me how is Russia going to stop those exports and NOT make more enemies of now neutral countries.

A very funny situation when any argument is perceived as propaganda. In 1992, the KGB no longer existed and at that time there was no time for propaganda.
If you are interested to know where these processors were used, then read about the S-300 missile system and S-400 missile system, which were some of the best in the world.
I have a good expensive car in Russia, but I can't say that I was unhappy when I had a Lada. Not everyone wants to leave Russia to get 10 times more salary in Europe or the USA.

I will not continue our interesting discussion about wheat, because I do not have time to check all the Russian and foreign articles.

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Quote from: laredo7mm on March 02, 2022, 12:14:38 PM

This sanction of the west could have a boomerang effect?

The EU is looking at handling the now that it is still early and an attack on just one country that is Ukraine instead of attack on EU sovereignty. The assumption is that Russia can be leading a war against the unity of EU as a whole but coming through Ukraine. This is why they make some sanctions early enough to stop Russia from invading Ukraine. EU is choosing between supporting Ukraine and making sanctions or allowing Russia have the way and wait for what can happen next.

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