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And Greece isn't a rich country by any means. Many families are facing hardship, unemployment is high, youth emigration is rising etc... Things don't look particularly good for the economy in general.

What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off? Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?

It just shows that gambling knows no boundaries. I mean everyone can get addicted regardless of what places you live, rich or poor, individuals are going to be hook on it. I don't have the numbers but it's probably the same as those 3rd world nations in the globe.

I think government is doing everything they can to stop the proliferation of gambling, but It's going to be very hard. Unless they really see the negative consequences of it in their society. Like it's decaying everyone like drugs and everyone is turning into drug addicts.

Besides, there could be protector of gambling in those poor countries like police or even politicians as they are making a lot of money.
And  this what makes this industry becomes so big or something that do increase its overall revenue worldwide on which it doesnt really care on which country and community it would really be existing or simply it is really just that a global thing on where everyone could really be able to make that involvement. Just let those people be spending their money on gambling, doesnt matter on where they do live since they've been still
able to do gambling then its their choice. Its their right since its their money that they've been using. It is really just that there are people who do really love to play gambling despite on having that small income
or revenue  that they could get. They dont care as long they could play then this what matter the most. Just like been mentioned or said above that its none of your business if they would gamble.
Small or big spender it doesnt matter yet odds or chances on winning would really be just the same.

It would really be that just depending on how a certain individual would really be making out their gambling habit to be moderated because there would really be no exemption in speaking about addiction
and gambling financial problems on which you would really be that definitely be falling into that thing if you dont have that kind of moderation.
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Why does it have to be about poor countries? If a country is rich its ok for its citizens to lose a bunch of money?

You as a person decide whether to gamble or not to gamble. The country IMO has nothing to do with it. Even if the country restricted or limited gambling, there are still ways people would gamble so you really cannot blame it all on the government.

At some point people have to be responsible for their own actions man. Can't just always think someone else is at fault.
I think it’s not so much as that but more as a distinction that this always happens with third world countries. For instance this also happens in the Philippines. Not to mistake it for the notion that rich countries are allowed to splurge their money on gambling.

And while you are right about the people finding ways for them to gamble despite band and barring, restrictions are still pretty much effective as it disallows the common joe to just have free access to gambling sites as they would if there was no ban. For sure these countries know about VPN but they would rather deal with people who are like that than do nothingvand subjrct the fountry to massive gambling crises.
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The problem with poor country citizens gambling too much is because they think that it is a means of survival and they jeep trying their luck since the government can't provide jobs to take care of them. This is common with youths because they will see maybe their friend won bug once and before you know it, many of them will start rushing into gambling.

Casinos are the ones making big profit from these poor people and the government is cool with it as long as they get their own tax from the casino. However casinos have also helped some poor gamblers to win big and invest with the money, which is also a good thing and moreover, gambling is a matter of choice and not a most. Only gamble with the amount that you can afford to lose and stay healthy.

Even the rich people all over the world gamble too much, they feel like they will never run out of money, and this is also what casino platforms love about their gamblers as well. The only difference between non-rich gamblers is that if poor people can gamble too much, how about rich people?

If so, the implication of gambling is that if it is not used correctly, it can really end up in something that we will not like for sure in the end, but we can still do it because of the greed that entered our mind for sure.
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If the casinos were becoming a problem to the country,  the government of that country would have banned it without hesitation.  They are reluctant to ban them because they are making money from the huge tax these casinos pay. The government did not impose gambling on anyone, so the decision to gamble is a personal choice. The least the government of the affected countries and maybe Non-governmental Organisations and private individuals can do is to sensitize their citizens on the need to gamble responsibly and help them to overcome addiction.
I don't think that the casino is a perceived state problem,  since the country is earning grst revenue in the form of tax from the casino,  and for that, they don't really care about what the citizens may have been put through,  and the reason for that being that the government will only warn the citizens on the danger of excessive gambling and nothing more than that and that is why they placed an age limit of 18+ years, to make sure that individuals are mature enough to handle the gambling activities to the point of making room for exit if they perceive that there are losing too much along the line.

But in this case, the government is not paying any attention towards that direction and for sure,  gambling is gaining a lot of popularity on the global scale and governments need to do more to avoid its potential danger.
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It is obvious that this statistics shows how economy downplay on citizens of nations. From my own view, I think this out play is as a result of having to gamble for living. They hoped on gambling to make profit or earn to survive because I see  no reasons why they turn up on gambling  much more than they can afford or is it an that they are a nation of addicted gamblers?  I believe the government making huge revenue from casinos tjeee and are no ot ready to do anything about it and the casinos too are not ready to do anything too because they benefit from it as well.
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What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off? Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?
It's really isn't about the country whether it's citizens are willing to gamble their money away on these casinos. It's the citizens are at fault if they'll be gambling more than what they can afford to lose and it's not the government's responsibility to rehabilitate these gambling addicts to stop them especially that it's helping the economy of the country as these casinos pay good amount of taxes.
Why does it have to be about poor countries? If a country is rich its ok for its citizens to lose a bunch of money?

You as a person decide whether to gamble or not to gamble. The country IMO has nothing to do with it. Even if the country restricted or limited gambling, there are still ways people would gamble so you really cannot blame it all on the government.

At some point people have to be responsible for their own actions man. Can't just always think someone else is at fault.
Exactly! How can someone blame the government for their irresponsible decision of gambling their funds away that needs to used for their daily needs.  
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I think it’s less about the country and more about the citizens living in it. After all, it’s people that live in and make up a country. The article you shared a link to, if their claim is true, tells me that a large portion of the people of Greece don’t mind gambling. Would you rather have the government place a ban on gambling “to save the citizens from themselves”? You can be sure more vans that are politically motivated would follow.

The casinos aren’t given a free reign to do as they like and that’s why they’re rules to follow if you want the license to operate. And like any other business, they pay tax to the government.
The casinos, although being in business to make profit may have some responsibility in educating people and all that, we’re always responsible for our actions.
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The problem with poor country citizens gambling too much is because they think that it is a means of survival and they jeep trying their luck since the government can't provide jobs to take care of them. This is common with youths because they will see maybe their friend won bug once and before you know it, many of them will start rushing into gambling.

Casinos are the ones making big profit from these poor people and the government is cool with it as long as they get their own tax from the casino. However casinos have also helped some poor gamblers to win big and invest with the money, which is also a good thing and moreover, gambling is a matter of choice and not a most. Only gamble with the amount that you can afford to lose and stay healthy.
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What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off? Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?
Unfortunately, this situation is not unique, it’s a global issue. There are reasons why people in poor countries may be more likely to gamble because it offers a quick and easy way to make money which is very appealing to people who are struggling financially. It can be a way to escape from the stress and difficulties of everyday life.
The government has a responsibility to protect its citizens from the harms of gambling addictions like regulating casinos to ensure that it is operating fairly and responsibly. In the current state of our country, it seems unreliable because I don't see if they are taking steps to provide education and support to people who are at risk of developing a gambling problem.
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And Greece isn't a rich country by any means. Many families are facing hardship, unemployment is high, youth emigration is rising etc... Things don't look particularly good for the economy in general.

What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off? Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?

It just shows that gambling knows no boundaries. I mean everyone can get addicted regardless of what places you live, rich or poor, individuals are going to be hook on it. I don't have the numbers but it's probably the same as those 3rd world nations in the globe.

I think government is doing everything they can to stop the proliferation of gambling, but It's going to be very hard. Unless they really see the negative consequences of it in their society. Like it's decaying everyone like drugs and everyone is turning into drug addicts.

Besides, there could be protector of gambling in those poor countries like police or even politicians as they are making a lot of money.
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What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off?
It's because of poverty and people think that one way to solve poverty is through gambling. This isn't something new and this situation is everywhere. The people that are in the poverty line don't think a lot of any solution from the government so they find ways to solve it on their own and one of it is through gambling.

Life is full of struggles for sure and that's why they do it through gambling that they're making such choice that they think is risky and could also put them into a harder situation. But what they can do if their choices are limited and they need a helping hand to keep with them but no help is found.

Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?
Government programs and cash for work won't do anything with this. If it's already embedded in the minds of the citizens, they will gamble with or without the help of the government. It's going into addiction and from there, the problem will be harder for them to solve.
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What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off? Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?
Who are the gamblers on these countries, like Greece? Are the starving and unemployed population gambling instead of spending their money with their basics needs? Or are the wealthy citizens, tourists and foreign investors the gamblers? Gambling is for those who have superfluous funds to do so. If poor citizens are gambling, it's a big mistake which must be addressed through public educational campaigns focused on this public, but if it's the second category of people mentioned above who are gambling, there is nothing to complain about it, and it's even good they are gambling, because this way money is being shared with the society (through taxes paid to the government).

Following that logic, if they weren't gambling in Greece, they would be gambling somewhere else, consequently allotting those taxes to another countries, and then Greece would be losing revenue.
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Why does it have to be about poor countries? If a country is rich its ok for its citizens to lose a bunch of money?

You as a person decide whether to gamble or not to gamble. The country IMO has nothing to do with it. Even if the country restricted or limited gambling, there are still ways people would gamble so you really cannot blame it all on the government.

At some point people have to be responsible for their own actions man. Can't just always think someone else is at fault.

What you said is true and right, sir; a country is irrelevant if you win or lose a gamble. And I also agree with what you mentioned: even if a country bans gambling among the people in their jurisdiction, other gambling addicts will still find a way to still play gambling, even if it is illegal in their country.

In fact, the country or government even caused their law-abiding citizens to violate the law they gave them to make it illegal. Also, the country of Greece is the one that loves goods and rents; you can't not act and find a way to earn money there, or else you will starve for sure.
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Definitely, a government can step in if there is this kind of problem.
But again, this will also depend on the people they will keep on gambling away from their radar or not. The government could definitely just say that they are restricting the usage of gambling, but there's always a way for gamblers to find a hole and take advantage of it.
Australia already took some steps by banning gambling advertisements which I think could help lessen the gamblers in their country. But again, like I said earlier this will depend on the people if the urgency won't affect them anymore.
The government can help lessen the exposure to gambling because they can control local channels but I doubt they can do that with the ads on the internet, that will be a hard task for them and it means fiddling with online connection.
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People focus a lot on knowing things like: how many gambling addicts there are, how many people play, how much money they take to play and when they see the numbers they immediately complain because they are seeing a very high number. but if you also research things like: how many people are addicted to alcohol, how many people consume beer, how much money is being spent to buy beer, you will also see that the number is very high, but no one complains about it! My point is that if someone is advertising a casino, and they keep researching the numbers of things like how much money is being spent in the casinos and when they discover that the numbers are very high, they complain

So what's the point of someone also playing and advertising a casino? people are of legal age, they know that there are things they should do and others they shouldn't do, so it's not the job of people like us to worry about how many people are addicted to gambling, how much money they spend on gambling. bad luck. The task of someone who is promoting a company is to speak well of the things that company is offering as long as everything is legal. It's up to people to do research and then make decisions on their own. I particularly see a lot of people playing in my country, the game is legal here and the government wastes no time in advertising for people to stop playing, because the law allows games and the law also determines that people over 18 years of age age are adults

are responsible for themselves, because let's see things this way: if in a country they say that in total 200 million dollars were gambled, for example, that means that the government received money from taxes, that means that the casino created jobs, that means that the casino also promoted tourism in the case of physical casinos, this also means that some people left with profits, even if it was a small number of people who made a profit, it was still a lot. because the profit from these people could make them people who do business, create jobs and pay taxes. In other words, the casino is also doing a lot of good things and you should also start talking about these good things that casinos do
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I was looking at gambling statistics for my country the other day. People in Greece lost 22.5 billion EUR only in 2021, and 29 billion in 2022 and that was only on licensed establishments.

That's around 10% of Greece's GDP wasted away towards offshore companies... This is a very hard issue to deal with and to think that it happens at such a scale even with the licensed casinos is unthinkable. Essentially governments sell a casino license once and then these casinos are given free reign on how to advertise, how to be promoted, what claims to make... No limits to how much they can earn.

But governments sure as hell are there to profit whenever a gambler wins anything, heavily taxing big winnings... What makes me even angrier is that these licensed casinos do very little to offer gamblers resources to play responsibly, and do nothing to educate gamblers about house edge. Also, none of their games run on provably fair algorithms. And yet the government does very little to regulate them after having sold them a license...

And Greece isn't a rich country by any means. Many families are facing hardship, unemployment is high, youth emigration is rising etc... Things don't look particularly good for the economy in general.

What do you think about this issue where people gamble too much in countries where the vast majority of the population isn't well off? Should governments step in and restrict casinos more perhaps?
If the casinos were becoming a problem to the country,  the government of that country would have banned it without hesitation.  They are reluctant to ban them because they are making money from the huge tax these casinos pay. The government did not impose gambling on anyone, so the decision to gamble is a personal choice. The least the government of the affected countries and maybe Non-governmental Organisations and private individuals can do is to sensitize their citizens on the need to gamble responsibly and help them too overcome addiction.
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Come on...! have you looked at the console gaming industry, they are above cinema and music, there is a lot of money flowing out there, and many hours of unproductive games.

In the case of casinos there is something that places you at the age of majority, +18 or + 21 years, it depends on the country, then, the issue lies in not how you bet or "give away" your money, it is that this expense is consistent with your economic activities, that aspect is strengthened in the education that is given to us over the years, including the social and Morality of your environment influences, again if you are of legal age it is no one else's fault. The government asks for its taxes and the casino pays them..

In any case, the big chunk of all that is shared between the government and the casinos, but it has its compensation in some way in part of those who do not bet in some way.
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Another question I have is how much of this money that Greeks lost each year from 1 or 2 individuals? Maybe a small group of very rich people had a bad couple years?

Governments aren't going to do alot to stop gambling normally because of the amount of revenue it brings to the country. Should they? Probably to some extent yes, but usually not the case.
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The government couldn't ban it either because they're surely making billions on it too. It's like a cigarette that even if you'd raise their prices people will still get addicted to it and still buy and government for sure won't be able to control the mind of its people unless they make a tyrant government and just simply ban gambling.
It rare to see a country that totally banned gambling even if there’s a chance for them to make profit out of it.
Knowing the economy of Greece, I’m sure they can’t afford yet to ban gambling. The addiction of many to gambling is increasing and most of them came from a poor family, this is the sad reality and we can’t do anything about this aside from being a responsible gambling in your own. We have to be more cautious, and gamble only what we can afford to lose, also don’t depend too much in gambling because there is no guaranteed profit here.
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Why does it have to be about poor countries? If a country is rich its ok for its citizens to lose a bunch of money?

I was also wondering why it has to be about country and not individual.  Even though gambling behaviour depends entirely on the individual, environment can play a part. By environment, country qualifies to be. To be specific, countries like Kosovo seems and US seems more inclined to gambling than many Asian countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE.  So, I think the post have some points. Countries that seems to be friendly with gambling with lots of casinos all over the streets will surely have more gambling addicts than those where gambling is almost done in secret.

You as a person decide whether to gamble or not to gamble. The country IMO has nothing to do with it. Even if the country restricted or limited gambling, there are still ways people would gamble so you really cannot blame it all on the government.
Peer influence is one factor that contribute so much to the growth of the gambling industry.  I know a lot of guys that started gambling because their friends are also doing it. If peer groups can influence people this much as regards to gambling, imagine what friendly government policies can do.
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