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Topic: Safebit - Official Preview Version released today! (Read 4055 times)

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AKA: Justmoon
What is the nature of Safeb.it's relationship with Wagner?

There's no special relationship. Bruce contacted me to ask if I was doing anything interesting and that was in the same week where Safebit hired me as a consultant, so I suggested that I come on with Eli to talk about their client.

Bruce's reputation may be tarnished, but to be honest there really aren't that many Bitcoin tv shows to choose from. Wink
sr. member
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The show is the platform on which Bruce promoted the wallet service MyBitcoin.
MyBitcoin went down, "losing" 51% of customer deposits, hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Some believe Bruce may have been involved and/or operated the service and stole the deposits himself.

Safeb.it is another wallet being promoted on Bruce's show.
I believe the people have a right to know how deeply Bruce is involved in their business. 
I don't understand why a company trying to gain the trust of the community would go on the show of a man who has been convicted of fraud and accused of stealing from another similar service, promoted in the exact same way.

What is the nature of Safeb.it's relationship with Wagner?
legendary
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Geez man RagedMonk, do you have some personal grudge against bruce?
You may not like hist views or blame him for things he did in the past. But you take things nicely out of context to put him of as the devil himself.

A man with wicked views and a criminal record can still have good qualities, and the show is a good promoter, nobody who watches this show knows Bruces entire history, and nor is there any need for that since that's  not subject of the show. This is a show about Bitcoin, not about Bruce.

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I am curious why you chose to go on The Bitcoin Show, hosted by Bruce Wagner, a who was fined a quarter million dollars for mortgage fraud and allegedly patronized underage prostitutes.

Safeb.it does not support underage prostitution or fraud, does it?
Are you or any other associates of safeb.it connected with these activities?

Is your indifference towards Bruce's past indiscretions, viewing going on his show a "means to an ends," indicative of your business values as a whole?
Do you believe self-promotion, and the resulting profits, is worth more than your business's reputation?
If not, why are you using his show to promote your brand?

Further reading
http://buttcoin.org/has-bruce-wagner-pulled-off-the-financial-biggest-scam-on-the-bitcoin-community
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
We're already working on making this secure and safe in future versions.

This is just the start...
We're
Who else?
Is that the new spin on professionalism?  Grin
Eli
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How does this make Bitcoin use any safer than using the official client?

At this point in time - it doesn't. It's just a preview version which is basically a GUI wrapper around the official bitcoin client that may look nicer and perhaps easier to use.
We're already working on making this secure and safe in future versions.

This is just the start...
sr. member
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How does this make Bitcoin use any safer than using the official client?
Eli
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And what about http://www.safebit.net/ and their problem with you using the same name as their product?
Has it been resolved?

Before anyone asks, the owner of safebit.net sent me a mail because I posted about this safebit at Coinbits.com and I sent a PM to the OP, but he never acknowledged if he even got the PM, so I'm asking here.

The mail that i got was the following
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Hello.
I see that you have a product named SafeBit.
I'd like to point out that we also have a product with the same name, a much older product. I highly recommend that you change the name of your product - since it's a newer product anyway.

Thank you.
Adrian Gheara.
www.safebit.net

Yes, he thought i was the owner of safebit(or he sent the same email to lots of blog owners, i dunno) Roll Eyes

EDIT: I see that the OP talked about this matter a few posts back, sorry, haven't read the whole thread.


Yea yea, I know... A problematic issue.

I love the name, and I came up with it completely unrelated to the above product, and I think you're the one who got my attention (after you got the email from them) to this.

Not sure, right now I'm trying to refer to my product as "Safebit Bitcoin" but the official name (as you can see) is "Safebit".

There are different products with the same name out there, so I guess we could co-exist. In any case I'll mention them where ever it could cause a confusion and will link to their site if needed.
hero member
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I loved this project until you mentioned it was purely JavaScript and HTML.

Please please please port it to C++ or something similar.
legendary
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And what about http://www.safebit.net/ and their problem with you using the same name as their product?
Has it been resolved?

Before anyone asks, the owner of safebit.net sent me a mail because I posted about this safebit at Coinbits.com and I sent a PM to the OP, but he never acknowledged if he even got the PM, so I'm asking here.

The mail that i got was the following
Quote
Hello.
I see that you have a product named SafeBit.
I'd like to point out that we also have a product with the same name, a much older product. I highly recommend that you change the name of your product - since it's a newer product anyway.

Thank you.
Adrian Gheara.
www.safebit.net

Yes, he thought i was the owner of safebit(or he sent the same email to lots of blog owners, i dunno) Roll Eyes

EDIT: I see that the OP talked about this matter a few posts back, sorry, haven't read the whole thread.
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
why there is the photo of a apple thing?  Roll Eyes

It looks good  Tongue
I have some doubts about that  Roll Eyes
legendary
Activity: 1442
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Again, before making claims that do not hold water, check your facts...
I am very sorry if my post indicates I have made claims about the security of your application. Please kindly point those to me so I can edit them quickly. I was under no intention to provide actual issues with your application, sorry if it is understood so.
Eli
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why there is the photo of a apple thing?  Roll Eyes

It looks good  Tongue
legendary
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If you want to walk on water, get out of the boat
why there is the photo of a apple thing?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
Well here is some free advice: Consider using your code to be served from a dedicated device with a web-server on it, this way the name would even be appropriate Smiley
Otherwise why not adapt it as a standalone application running gecko in the mean time?
Eli
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I'm no security expert
We can both agree on that. The security issue is allowing a browser extension full control over your bitcoin wallet. This opens your bitcoin application to malicious attacks from the developer, or someone forging the developer's identity.

Security issues aside, this looks very nice, I'm sorry if I won't test it Smiley

Considering the fact that you use your browser to access financial websites like bank and PayPal, I think it's silly not to rely on Chrome to provide the state-of-the-art security when it comes to security around the apps.

It's your choice, but before you make wild claims that it's insecure or that it's open to malicious attacks, better check your facts.

And unless someone manages to steal my google account, you can trust the "Install App" on the chrome web store. That's why I chose it by the way, it allows me to concentrate on making Safebit and not trying to re-invent the wheel when it comes to secure distribution  and quality assurance and user control.

Again, before making claims that do not hold water, check your facts...

And having said that, I am no security expert, the people who work at Google and make sure that these stuff are taken care of, are security experts (some of them).
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
I'm no security expert
We can both agree on that. The security issue is allowing a browser extension full control over your bitcoin wallet. This opens your bitcoin application to malicious attacks from the developer, or someone forging the developer's identity.

Security issues aside, this looks very nice, I'm sorry if I won't test it Smiley
Right probably the biggest issue, I failed to mention that.

I think there are some hurdles against that inside chrome but I wouldn't bet on it.
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1005
I'm no security expert
We can both agree on that. The security issue is allowing a browser extension full control over your bitcoin wallet. This opens your bitcoin application to malicious attacks from the developer, or someone forging the developer's identity.

Security issues aside, this looks very nice, I'm sorry if I won't test it Smiley
hero member
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Merit: 1005
This is pure Javascript and HTML.

Why does this have to depend on chrome?
Eli
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Activity: 128
Merit: 100
I like the idea, but hate the name.

I'm no security expert but can certainly tell that something running in any Browser JVM shouldn't be considered "safe".
I pledge a bounty of 0.5 BTC if you change the name.

A) This is not running Java. This is pure Javascript and HTML. Regarding security - well, you can consider security by obscurity secure, but I don't. And Safebit will always be open-source, so all security needs to come from other sources, not by obscurity.

B) I really like the name Safebit, although it collides with another product (see http://safebit.net). For this is the chosen name, you can pledge your coins toward better causes than making me change the name. Perhaps you could come up with a better name? Wink
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