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Wooooww!

I just can't believe that everyone is kissing doog's ass.

Anyway, happy for you doog.

I will just wait here for what will happen next.

And Im not fucking kidding you.  Grin
legendary
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

Are you fucking kidding me? Of course I don't, nor could I. Read my recent posts again where I keep repeating that I don't know whether it's a scam or not.

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

I wouldn't be particularly surprised. It seems to happen a lot.

Is it okay to blame you?

No, what is it to do with me?
sr. member
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?


So basically you want to blame someone if things went pretty bad? Go somewhere else if you can't decide on your own.
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And to add Ive read the posts of KingOfSports and he got a big POINT about what he says.
But still, innocent until proven guilty.

Anyway, I am not trolling just excited of what will happen next.
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Lets just see.

 Smiley I am also not accusing doog about anything. I don't even know him.
But I am hearing something about doog and I also want him to prove those hearsay wrong.

We know that doog has been here for almost forever.
And I know he is a very helpful dude.

But sometimes you can just think about what happened about before which I dont want to mention.

Maybe we can make some thread about SD.

Something like, Is SD A Soon To Be Scam Site?

What do you think? Smiley
legendary
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?

I think you might have some trouble with your reading comprehension  Wink

he explicitly states that he doesnt know if it will turn out legit or not.

Then why is he always defending it like he really know the site inside out?

Hm? Sometimes its not about how well your comprehension?

I honestly can't decide wether you're trolling or not.

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Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.

Hi.

I'm not defending the site, I'm arguing against the clueless posts people keep making. Maybe the site is a scam, but not for the reasons people are coming up with. If anyone has any evidence of foul play, I'm more than happy to hear it - in fact PM me just before going public so I can try to get my coins out. Wink

When someone says "this site is a scam because [invalid argument]" and I debunk their invalid argument, that's not me defending the site, it's me debunking their invalid argument.

And no, I'm in no way connected with it. There's 20 BTC in the bankroll, and it's hardly growing. If I was trying to promote the site, I'd be a bit better at it that that!
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?

Your post doesn't make any sence whatsoever. Why would you go on and blame dooglus if this site turns out to be a scam.
He literally said it a hundred times that he is not backing SD up, but betting/investing for his own enjoyment.
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?

I think you might have some trouble with your reading comprehension  Wink

he explicitly states that he doesnt know if it will turn out legit or not.

Then why is he always defending it like he really know the site inside out?

Hm? Sometimes its not about how well your comprehension?

Hi Pete,

What dooglus defended, if any, was the provable fair system used by a lot of dice sites but not just SafeDice. Dooglus is just an ordinary play in our site, what he knows is just public to any players.
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?

I think you might have some trouble with your reading comprehension  Wink

he explicitly states that he doesnt know if it will turn out legit or not.

Then why is he always defending it like he really know the site inside out?

Hm? Sometimes its not about how well your comprehension?
legendary
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?

I think you might have some trouble with your reading comprehension  Wink

he explicitly states that he doesnt know if it will turn out legit or not.
member
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So doog, do you really give your word that this site is not a scam?

What if this site turns out to be a scam?

Is it okay to blame you?
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Hi coincolonel, thank you for the praise, we will try our best to satisfy the players.

Also, we are open minded and would listen to any advice from the players, when it happens to be dooglus, we don't think there's anything wrong Cheesy

As stated above, other than defending us, doog was more likely defending logic, if you ask a grasshopper with no legs to jump, sure it is unable to do it, but you can't just get the conclusion that grasshopper's ears are on their legs.

We're new, but doesn't any reputable crypto casino evolve from that? Being new doesn't mean we would scam anyone.

For new players, the investment function is disabled so there's not the issue that we hold their funds as investment, we only hold the play money and it can be withdrawed instantly without any hassle, since we launched, all the withdrawals were processed instantly and we will keep on doing this.

Please feel free to leave us feedbacks, here or in the chatroom of our site Smiley
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Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.

Hi.

I'm not defending the site, I'm arguing against the clueless posts people keep making. Maybe the site is a scam, but not for the reasons people are coming up with. If anyone has any evidence of foul play, I'm more than happy to hear it - in fact PM me just before going public so I can try to get my coins out. Wink

When someone says "this site is a scam because [invalid argument]" and I debunk their invalid argument, that's not me defending the site, it's me debunking their invalid argument.

And no, I'm in no way connected with it. There's 20 BTC in the bankroll, and it's hardly growing. If I was trying to promote the site, I'd be a bit better at it that that!

This site is pretty and unique, I don't think there's anything wrong if someone got interest in it. And no, I'm in no way connected with this too Cheesy
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Just cause a site offers provably fair verification doesn't mean it actually is. It's been proven through someone creating a site showing it that if the server can predict a trend you use such as always betting low or always betting high, a rigged server can give rigged seeds assuming that person doesn't change their pattern or their client seed.

I think I know what site you're talking about. Someone (vlees, maybe?) made a site which brute-forced a server seed from your client seed to get you exactly the roll that would make you lose. His point was that you need to pick an unpredictable client seed, or the server seed can be chosen to hurt you.

Almost every site these days uses the same server seed until the user asks for it to be changed, which renders this attack moot. Just make sure you pick an unpredictable client seed *after* noting the server seed, and the site can't mess with you in the way you're describing.

Just to confirm, we are using the exact method Doog has pointed out.

Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.

Its because you guys asked and mentioned him so many times, and he does online very often (that's why he got his legendary rank in this forum). And as my friend, frank has pointed out above, we are not in anyway connected to Doog. Things would have been much easier if we do, but we don't.
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Just cause a site offers provably fair verification doesn't mean it actually is. It's been proven through someone creating a site showing it that if the server can predict a trend you use such as always betting low or always betting high, a rigged server can give rigged seeds assuming that person doesn't change their pattern or their client seed.

I think I know what site you're talking about. Someone (vlees, maybe?) made a site which brute-forced a server seed from your client seed to get you exactly the roll that would make you lose. His point was that you need to pick an unpredictable client seed, or the server seed can be chosen to hurt you.

Almost every site these days uses the same server seed until the user asks for it to be changed, which renders this attack moot. Just make sure you pick an unpredictable client seed *after* noting the server seed, and the site can't mess with you in the way you're describing.

It was one series but for me enough to decide I'll pass here. Probably isn't a rigged server but whatever.

You don't need to be uncertain. Your series was rigged or it wasn't. Verify your rolls and find out. If it was rigged you owe it to the community to out the scammers.

Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.

Hi.

I'm not defending the site, I'm arguing against the clueless posts people keep making. Maybe the site is a scam, but not for the reasons people are coming up with. If anyone has any evidence of foul play, I'm more than happy to hear it - in fact PM me just before going public so I can try to get my coins out. Wink

When someone says "this site is a scam because [invalid argument]" and I debunk their invalid argument, that's not me defending the site, it's me debunking their invalid argument.

And no, I'm in no way connected with it. There's 20 BTC in the bankroll, and it's hardly growing. If I was trying to promote the site, I'd be a bit better at it that that!
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Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.
Bingo...

Ow.. Sorry.

I was just asking.

I think he (dooglus) spends a lot of time defending the site. Specially when he answers every question by quoting each and every one of them.

I am curious if he is now running this with a monicker, Safe Dice, or safe dice is paying him to defend them.

I also heard some talks about dooglus and its not that good.

I appreaciated JD a lot before but never played.

Anyway, I was just curious.

Hi, Frank from SD here. As doog repeated in each recent reply under this thread, he has nothing to do with the site, what I see is a passionate person about the game. If you check doog's posts history, he had been active in this board long before JD, that says, with or without JD, he is always interested in giving helpful feedbacks. We really appreciate that.

Now all we can do is to provide the best user experience, please feel free to try our site and tell us what we need to enhance, thank you very much. Smiley
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Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.
Bingo...

Ow.. Sorry.

I was just asking.

I think he (dooglus) spends a lot of time defending the site. Specially when he answers every question by quoting each and every one of them.

I am curious if he is now running this with a monicker, Safe Dice, or safe dice is paying him to defend them.

I also heard some talks about dooglus and its not that good.

I appreaciated JD a lot before but never played.

Anyway, I was just curious.
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Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.
Bingo...
member
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Hey dooglus why are you always defending this site?

Are you in anyway connected with it?

You are here everytime. Even more than Safe Dice (user) himself.
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Just tested the site's fairness for my own thoughts. Server rigging I think is indeed present here but thats just me. I did one trial and it shocked me. Betting 0 repeatedly until +2 units (of 0) or -20 units. I was doing 49.75% 2x payout, I always bet low. I reached -20 before I reached +2. In fact I never even reached +1. One sample, doesn't matter yeah yeah yeah but whatever.

You've been around provably fair dice sites to know better than this.

Do I really have to explain to you how it works?

Verify your rolls - see for yourself whether it's rigged. If it is, go public with your findings. "rigging I think is indeed present here but thats just me" is worthless, but the proof you seek is at your fingertips.

There is something of wrong in your website. In which way is possible to have 200+ BTC wagered in only some week? I think that is impossible. Are you sure that there data are real?

Entirely possible. A wager is the bet amount. For example betting 10 btc at 1.01× contributes 10btc to the wager total. Trust me if goes fairay quickly, even with relatively small balances.

Oh, I don't think so. For 200 BTC wagered I think that there must be a minimum of good profit (minimum 0.5-1 Bitcoin). 200 BTC is too much to have only that profit of BTC. Then, everyone can think in its best way.

Most bets have a house edge of 0.5%. That means the expected profit is around 1 BTC. Actually I think most of the volume happened before the edge was dropped, so maybe we need to double that to 2 BTC.

I've bet only 5.2 BTC, and have a profit of 0.77 BTC (when I "should" have a loss of 0.026 or something):



If you add the 0.77 BTC that I won to the site's profit, it looks a lot healthier. And I represent just 5 BTC of action out of a total 200 BTC.

What you fail to realise is that variance is a bitch. It's quite possible (and even likely in the short term) for the house to over or under perform by a huge margin.

Both of the posts I just answered drew unsound conclusions. KoS: maybe the site is rigged - but if it is, you can prove it. Gianluca95: the law of large numbers applies to large numbers. 80k bets isn't a large number; maybe the site stats are fake, but you've not proved it.

This post is NOT an endorsement of safedice. I play there occasionally with funds I'm prepared to lose. This is not me "shilling", "promoting", "endorsing", or any such thing. Got it? Good! Smiley
Just cause a site offers provably fair verification doesn't mean it actually is. It's been proven through someone creating a site showing it that if the server can predict a trend you use such as always betting low or always betting high, a rigged server can give rigged seeds assuming that person doesn't change their pattern or their client seed. It was one series but for me enough to decide I'll pass here. Probably isn't a rigged server but whatever.
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