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Quote from: Jjewelle29 on June 30, 2019, 10:05:42 AM

Your plans and idea is good and I think the team still currently focus on working to improve sites and I think they are successful because the sites is already better & good.

Which part of them you mean succesful and already better & good? So you mean their site was bad?
Anyway, i just want to give my opinion about your max winning amount, it's really too low, if a gambler lose more than your max winning, he can't win his losses back in 1 bet

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Your plans and idea is good and I think the team still currently focus on working to improve sites and I think they are successful because the sites is already better & good.

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Quote from: Saikorotable on June 29, 2019, 03:34:36 PM

Quote from: kryptqnick on June 29, 2019, 03:11:02 PM

Well, a pop-up warning is definitely better than simply a like somewhere in ToS. I don't mean the possibility of someone winning the whole bankroll, of course! I was talking about limiting the maximum bet in the way so that you can afford to make the full payout to the player.
And as for a bigger bankroll - have you considered accepting investments? Like, when people can give you their money that'll go into the bankroll, and they'll be receiving a certain percentage of money from the bets people lost to your casino. As you're new, I guess some might find it suspicious and risky, but maybe, later on, it could attract people and be beneficial both for you and for investors.

Accepting investments is planned but not implemented yet - an affiliate system too.

Actually for this time when you tried to open some new site, you should really consider about the bankroll here. It seems like you do not care about players here by giving out so little amount of money for your bankroll. People really like to play on new site but to think of that they can only make a small bet here and have the potential to lose away big money here will never benefit them. Betting 1 btc can only win 0.001 but you can lose 1 btc. This is pretty ridiculous thing. Try to get more bankroll in the mean time, open investment will be the best one

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Quote from: kryptqnick on June 29, 2019, 03:11:02 PM

Well, a pop-up warning is definitely better than simply a like somewhere in ToS. I don't mean the possibility of someone winning the whole bankroll, of course! I was talking about limiting the maximum bet in the way so that you can afford to make the full payout to the player.
And as for a bigger bankroll - have you considered accepting investments? Like, when people can give you their money that'll go into the bankroll, and they'll be receiving a certain percentage of money from the bets people lost to your casino. As you're new, I guess some might find it suspicious and risky, but maybe, later on, it could attract people and be beneficial both for you and for investors.

Accepting investments is planned but not implemented yet - an affiliate system too.

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Quote from: Saikorotable on June 28, 2019, 04:04:52 PM

Quote from: kryptqnick on June 28, 2019, 03:32:33 PM

I bet people will be pissed off by that. If one bets 0.1 BTC with a 50% chance of winning and wins, one is supposed to receive the payout of 0.2 BTC. Can you imagine how mad a person would be if one received only 0.001 instead? I think it will be a big improvement if you simply make the maximum bets adjusted to your bankroll so that you can pay out the full reward every time a person wins.
As for the website - it's simple but kind of nice. And I liked the animation of the dice.
Good luck!

We thought lots about this problem, at some point we considered a pop-up as warning but the decision ended with the amount displayed right under the play button.
The real improvement would be a bigger bankroll. Something we're working on too.

Sadly I can't offer our whole bankroll as possible profit on every game. Coding such a possibility destroys the whole safety mechanism for the casino to survive highrollers. It's essential to limit the possible profit. Undecided

Well, a pop-up warning is definitely better than simply a like somewhere in ToS. I don't mean the possibility of someone winning the whole bankroll, of course! I was talking about limiting the maximum bet in the way so that you can afford to make the full payout to the player.
And as for a bigger bankroll - have you considered accepting investments? Like, when people can give you their money that'll go into the bankroll, and they'll be receiving a certain percentage of money from the bets people lost to your casino. As you're new, I guess some might find it suspicious and risky, but maybe, later on, it could attract people and be beneficial both for you and for investors.

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Quote from: yoloer808 on June 29, 2019, 11:23:57 AM

Site looks good. Check the provably fair, and you have no verifier and no provably fair code. Can you publish the exact provably fair code you use, so users can verify their bets themselves? This is a very basic standard, without which you cant gain any traction.

You're right, the code will follow quite soon.

You'll find it in the "Fairness" section once I'm done.

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Site looks good. Check the provably fair, and you have no verifier and no provably fair code. Can you publish the exact provably fair code you use, so users can verify their bets themselves? This is a very basic standard, without which you cant gain any traction.

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Quote from: veleten on June 29, 2019, 05:07:39 AM

just do the hard cap limit on the max win , like windice does ,for example
if you are trying to bet and the resulting win exceeds the max profit , you get a notification and the bet cannot be resolved
and crypto gambling foundation takes time to respond , it is true
last time I checked bitvest was on the list , now it is not , but the sun didn't fall on earth because of it

so do not worry too much about the foundation and focus on improving the site

Later today & tomorrow my partner will start working on the frontend requests, the hard cap limit and UI improvements are what we're now focusing on. Wink

Thank you for the example, stay tuned.

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Quote from: Saikorotable on June 28, 2019, 05:40:58 PM

Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 28, 2019, 04:36:12 PM

Lots would be pissed off.Gamblers would lose up the entire 0.1btc when they lose a bet and when they do win they do receive 0.001? What in the world on having this system.
Lets say that this is 1% of the bankroll but it should really be adjusted up automatically basing up on maximum bets to be placed.

I will take care of the problem. Wink

just do the hard cap limit on the max win , like windice does ,for example
if you are trying to bet and the resulting win exceeds the max profit , you get a notification and the bet cannot be resolved
and crypto gambling foundation takes time to respond , it is true
last time I checked bitvest was on the list , now it is not , but the sun didn't fall on earth because of it

so do not worry too much about the foundation and focus on improving the site

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Quote from: actmyname on June 28, 2019, 07:15:21 PM

Concept is fresh. I like that.

What I don't like is the UI. It looks like you had mobile design in-mind when creating this, which is great. But for any resolution above ~1550px width, your buttons get so ludicrously big compared to the dice that it looks very off.

https://i.imgur.com/0yvfNTw.png (width capped to 650)

Moreover, the gradients could do with a bit of a touch-up. It's very unfitting with the rest of your site's aesthetic.

One more thing to note is that your provably fair, rules and settings sections should have a higher height. If you're going to be scrolling, at least let the view of the canvas expand past a couple lines. It's fine if it just covers the screen: they aren't going to need to see the game page when they're reading up on rules/provably fair.

The fingerprint as an account button is kind of unintuitive. The fact that it also redirects you to another page is a bit of an annoyance. (and that there's no "game button" where instead you have to either click at the top or the "redirect" button).

There are also some typos in your rules tab. Examples include "we can proof it", "beeing"

I also don't see you on the Crypto Gambling Foundation's home page despite you having it in the bottom-right corner.

That's awesome feedback, thanks for taking the time.

I will let my partner know about this since he's coding the frontend. Wink

All this fine tuning makes me happy. Cheesy

Edit: Regarding the CryptoGamblingFoundation I'm not sure if they're still up running? I wrote them a week ago but nobody seems to be answering. Undecided

Took the logo out for now, tbh I thought this wouldn't take long. Cheesy

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Concept is fresh. I like that.

What I don't like is the UI. It looks like you had mobile design in-mind when creating this, which is great. But for any resolution above ~1550px width, your buttons get so ludicrously big compared to the dice that it looks very off.

(width capped to 650)

Moreover, the gradients could do with a bit of a touch-up. It's very unfitting with the rest of your site's aesthetic.

One more thing to note is that your provably fair, rules and settings sections should have a higher height. If you're going to be scrolling, at least let the view of the canvas expand past a couple lines. It's fine if it just covers the screen: they aren't going to need to see the game page when they're reading up on rules/provably fair.

The fingerprint as an account button is kind of unintuitive. The fact that it also redirects you to another page is a bit of an annoyance. (and that there's no "game button" where instead you have to either click at the top or the "redirect" button).

There are also some typos in your rules tab. Examples include "we can proof it", "beeing"

I also don't see you on the Crypto Gambling Foundation's home page despite you having it in the bottom-right corner.

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on June 28, 2019, 04:36:12 PM

Lots would be pissed off.Gamblers would lose up the entire 0.1btc when they lose a bet and when they do win they do receive 0.001? What in the world on having this system.
Lets say that this is 1% of the bankroll but it should really be adjusted up automatically basing up on maximum bets to be placed.

I will take care of the problem. Wink

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Quote from: kryptqnick on June 28, 2019, 03:32:33 PM

I bet people will be pissed off by that. If one bets 0.1 BTC with a 50% chance of winning and wins, one is supposed to receive the payout of 0.2 BTC. Can you imagine how mad a person would be if one received only 0.001 instead? I think it will be a big improvement if you simply make the maximum bets adjusted to your bankroll so that you can pay out the full reward every time a person wins.
As for the website - it's simple but kind of nice. And I liked the animation of the dice.
Good luck!

Lots would be pissed off.Gamblers would lose up the entire 0.1btc when they lose a bet and when they do win they do receive 0.001? What in the world on having this system.
Lets say that this is 1% of the bankroll but it should really be adjusted up automatically basing up on maximum bets to be placed.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on June 28, 2019, 03:32:33 PM

I bet people will be pissed off by that. If one bets 0.1 BTC with a 50% chance of winning and wins, one is supposed to receive the payout of 0.2 BTC. Can you imagine how mad a person would be if one received only 0.001 instead? I think it will be a big improvement if you simply make the maximum bets adjusted to your bankroll so that you can pay out the full reward every time a person wins.
As for the website - it's simple but kind of nice. And I liked the animation of the dice.
Good luck!

We thought lots about this problem, at some point we considered a pop-up as warning but the decision ended with the amount displayed right under the play button.
The real improvement would be a bigger bankroll. Something we're working on too.

Sadly I can't offer our whole bankroll as possible profit on every game. Coding such a possibility destroys the whole safety mechanism for the casino to survive highrollers. It's essential to limit the possible profit. Undecided

Quote from: FFrankie on June 28, 2019, 04:04:23 PM

Errr, my apologies, it doesn't seem to show me that on mobile, in fact the site really doesn't like my mobile phone. But I see that fine on a computer.

I think that the maximum bet should be adjusted for the max payout because that's gotta sketchy don't you think? If the most you can win per roll is currently 0.001 that's like $10. That means people's bets should be satoshis or close too it. Since a 100x payout the max bet would have to be 0.00001

We're currently hotfixing, the website is in 'inactive' mode and will be booted once we're done. Wink

That's why everything is shaded.
Shouldn't take too long.

Can you explain your idea of limiting the maximum bet? If the idea is good I can implement it.

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Quote from: Saikorotable on June 28, 2019, 01:50:27 PM

Quote from: FFrankie on June 28, 2019, 01:14:31 PM

I don't agree with your terms and conidtions as listed

"What is the maximum bet?

There is no maximum bet - your payout is limited to the bankroll"

That is simply not true, it cannot be true, you, your site, has a maximum amount they are able to payout and still cover all of players' deposits, why not publicly list your bank roll? Is it because this is one giant ponzi scheme?

Maybe you misunderstood something, I will try to explain it. Wink

Our bankroll is public - under the play button you'll find the current maximal profit you can earn with the next game you play. As stated in our FAQ we limit the maximal profit on each game to 1% of our bankroll.
At this moment users can win up to 0.00117562BTC on a game, which means our bankroll currently holds approx. 0.11756200BTC.

There indeed is no such thing as 'maximal bet', if a player would deposit 1BTC right now and then bet 1BTC on "high" and win, he would get his 1BTC + 0.00117562BTC back. (We don't reduce the money betted, only the profit.)

Cheerz!

Errr, my apologies, it doesn't seem to show me that on mobile, in fact the site really doesn't like my mobile phone. But I see that fine on a computer.

I think that the maximum bet should be adjusted for the max payout because that's gotta sketchy don't you think? If the most you can win per roll is currently 0.001 that's like $10. That means people's bets should be satoshis or close too it. Since a 100x payout the max bet would have to be 0.00001

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Quote from: Saikorotable on June 28, 2019, 01:50:27 PM

Quote from: FFrankie on June 28, 2019, 01:14:31 PM

I don't agree with your terms and conidtions as listed

"What is the maximum bet?

There is no maximum bet - your payout is limited to the bankroll"

That is simply not true, it cannot be true, you, your site, has a maximum amount they are able to payout and still cover all of players' deposits, why not publicly list your bank roll? Is it because this is one giant ponzi scheme?

Maybe you misunderstood something, I will try to explain it. Wink

Our bankroll is public - under the play button you'll find the current maximal profit you can earn with the next game you play. As stated in our FAQ we limit the maximal profit on each game to 1% of our bankroll.
At this moment users can win up to 0.00117562BTC on a game, which means our bankroll currently holds approx. 0.11756200BTC.

There indeed is no such thing as 'maximal bet', if a player would deposit 1BTC right now and then bet 1BTC on "high" and win, he would get his 1BTC + 0.00117562BTC back. (We don't reduce the money betted, only the profit.)

Cheerz!

I bet people will be pissed off by that. If one bets 0.1 BTC with a 50% chance of winning and wins, one is supposed to receive the payout of 0.2 BTC. Can you imagine how mad a person would be if one received only 0.001 instead? I think it will be a big improvement if you simply make the maximum bets adjusted to your bankroll so that you can pay out the full reward every time a person wins.
As for the website - it's simple but kind of nice. And I liked the animation of the dice.
Good luck!

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Quote from: FFrankie on June 28, 2019, 01:14:31 PM

I don't agree with your terms and conidtions as listed

"What is the maximum bet?

There is no maximum bet - your payout is limited to the bankroll"

That is simply not true, it cannot be true, you, your site, has a maximum amount they are able to payout and still cover all of players' deposits, why not publicly list your bank roll? Is it because this is one giant ponzi scheme?

Maybe you misunderstood something, I will try to explain it. Wink

Our bankroll is public - under the play button you'll find the current maximal profit you can earn with the next game you play. As stated in our FAQ we limit the maximal profit on each game to 1% of our bankroll.
At this moment users can win up to 0.00117562BTC on a game, which means our bankroll currently holds approx. 0.11756200BTC.

There indeed is no such thing as 'maximal bet', if a player would deposit 1BTC right now and then bet 1BTC on "high" and win, he would get his 1BTC + 0.00117562BTC back. (We don't reduce the money betted, only the profit.)

Cheerz!

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I don't agree with your terms and conidtions as listed

"What is the maximum bet?

There is no maximum bet - your payout is limited to the bankroll"

That is simply not true, it cannot be true, you, your site, has a maximum amount they are able to payout and still cover all of players' deposits, why not publicly list your bank roll? Is it because this is one giant ponzi scheme?

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Quote from: veleten on June 28, 2019, 10:26:58 AM

the site's terms and condition has to be changed from Lori ipsum
this is funny to see a casino based on a template that doesn't bother to change one of the crucial documents on the site
besides you should make it less restrictive for the players who just want to browse the site first
it is either you register or you do not get anywhere further , oh you can read latin in the T@C section if you are a big fan of dead languages Cheesy

You're right, my partner said the same thing not long ago - I'll change it with the next update.

You currently find our Terms under "Rules" once you're logged in. Wink

The restriction has lots of benefits for the backend and is currently planned to stay - if this turns out to be a mistake I guess I'll have to jump in the sourcecode.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Quote from: panjul07 on June 28, 2019, 04:17:08 AM

Sorry if I missed something but I cant make multiple bets in one bet because there is always a pop-up "place your bet" whenever I click one bet option. If I removed the pop-up then what I have chosen previously is gone. So how to make multiple bets i.e I want to bet on several numbers outcome and some triple outcome? A bit confusing for me to be honest.
Also removing the pop-up bet amount placement and make it like common bet placement in other sites would be better IMO. It is just a bit annoying to see pop-up bet placement anytime we want to make bets.

Faucet is available already on the site, so please check it first then you'll find it although the amount is just 10 satoshi but at least you can try the game for free.

Are you trying to place multiple bets of the same kind? Because that won't work.

Did you remove the bet pop-up by clicking on "Submit" or hitting Return? Otherwise if you pressed ESC, clicked the 'X' or outside of the pop-up it will close without saving your bet.
Best is to always Return. Wink

Have you maybe got an example of the bet placement you're talking of?
We thought a lot about the pop-up, since we're offering 31 different options to bet on it's hard to get rid of them without flooding the site with textfields. Cheesy

Quote from: tippytoes on June 27, 2019, 05:06:06 PM

Maybe integrate lightning network also for the deposit and withdrawal so small timers can play on your site. At least such payment method will only have a very small fee for transaction charges. It might help you in gaining players.

Also, if you can afford in the future, maybe run a promotional campaign like signature campaign here in the forum or other social media campaigns that will expose your gambling site to the public.

We're running our own bitcoin node in combination with sockets to ensure a fast connection.
If this turns out the be inefficient I'll definitely take a deeper look.

Thanks for the advice. Wink

Quote from: Haunebu on June 28, 2019, 02:34:51 AM

Just checked out the site. Looks simple overall and I like the black look. Feels like a blend of Dice and Roulette which is a pretty good combination. Unavailability of a faucet to test the waters is a weak point.

I do agree with the others that a faucet needs to added asap. What I liked is that a minimum wagering amount is not required to chat with others unlike some other sites. I also like how all the rules have been specified in an easy to understand manner.

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad you enjoy our creation.

A Faucet is already implemented and can be found when you click on your balance - currently 10 satoshi with a 15 minute cooldown. Wink

The rules will receive a style update in the future, but I'm happy you're already familiar with our looks and structure.
The chat will also be improved soon, I have lots of features planned to make chatting something to enjoy on our website. Wink

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