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legendary
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December 26, 2022, 07:13:45 AM
#30
it appears that no money was actually used in the bail
it was a bonded promise meaning $0 upfront

where parents would lose house and have to pay upto $250m if SBF absconds

im sure the courts also have US marshalls parked on the street outside the home 'just in case'

but i do have to laugh
he is released on a bail of said $250m where by no money was needed upfront..
'only in murica' can someone say a huge numbered value, but not need to have real money to back it up

after all isnt the crimes he is alleged of committing, that he promised to pay billions to customers but didnt have the value to pay up.. and yet the courts mention a bond amount but not request money upfront..
seems like its the 'blind leading the blind' in the same  circles as the ones that tripped him up in the first place

lets imagine he did abscond. lets imagine the court demanded parents pay $250m
end result they cant. so they just do an 'alex jones' and file bankruptcy to avoid paying for the rest of their lives

the court must know the bail is a "cant and wont pay" deal. so why offer it.
i find it funny how SBF was released with no cash upfront and yet millions of other people on a $1k bond who cant afford that stay locked up purely because they cant afford $1k due to real poverty
While I agree with your general sentiment of very strange things happening in the courtrooms as soon as "important / rich / well connectied people" (like in this case) are involved, I think you are mistaken regarding the liquidity of SBF's parents.
They own a lot of property valued in the hundrets of millions, at least that's what I read in some articles a few weeks ago. So my guess is the court could indeed get the $250M if need be.
legendary
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December 24, 2022, 03:54:57 AM
#29
it appears that no money was actually used in the bail
it was a bonded promise meaning $0 upfront

where parents would lose house and have to pay upto $250m if SBF absconds

im sure the courts also have US marshalls parked on the street outside the home 'just in case'

but i do have to laugh
he is released on a bail of said $250m where by no money was needed upfront..
'only in murica' can someone say a huge numbered value, but not need to have real money to back it up

after all isnt the crimes he is alleged of committing, that he promised to pay billions to customers but didnt have the value to pay up.. and yet the courts mention a bond amount but not request money upfront..
seems like its the 'blind leading the blind' in the same  circles as the ones that tripped him up in the first place

lets imagine he did abscond. lets imagine the court demanded parents pay $250m
end result they cant. so they just do an 'alex jones' and file bankruptcy to avoid paying for the rest of their lives

the court must know the bail is a "cant and wont pay" deal. so why offer it.
i find it funny how SBF was released with no cash upfront and yet millions of other people on a $1k bond who cant afford that stay locked up purely because they cant afford $1k due to real poverty
jr. member
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December 24, 2022, 02:00:38 AM
#28
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried has been released on bail after appearing in U.S. federal court in New York on Thursday. Bankman-Fried was told he can live with his parents on $250 million bail secured in part by their Palo Alto, California, house. His release also includes a long list of requirements for him to remain free while he faces charges. He's not allowed to make financial transactions of more than $1,000, can't open new lines of credit, can't leave the house except to exercise and must go through substance abuse and mental health treatment, according to the agreement.

More @ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/12/23/first-mover-americas-sec-scrutnizes-crypto-audits-sbf-gets-bail/
It is impossible to avoid trial, but I think the sentence may not be as serious as the sentence in the middle, but the appropriate imprisonment is definitely inevitable, otherwise how to appease the public outrage?
hero member
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December 23, 2022, 10:13:30 PM
#27
$250 million is not a small amount, and it is surprising when they say that there is no money to pay the investor but can spend 250 million just to let SBF be released. I remember not long ago the SBF himself said that the amount in his account is now no more than 100k dollars and he is about to go empty-handed but now he can spend big money just to be with his parents during the trial of the case. I wonder where this money is coming from, who can fund SBF?
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sam-bankman-fried-says-100k-182544871.html#:~:text=Sam%20Bankman%2DFried%2C%20the%20former,%2426.5%20billion%2C%20according%20to%20Axios.
hero member
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December 23, 2022, 10:11:58 PM
#26
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried has been released on bail after appearing in U.S. federal court in New York on Thursday. Bankman-Fried was told he can live with his parents on $250 million bail secured in part by their Palo Alto, California, house. His release also includes a long list of requirements for him to remain free while he faces charges. He's not allowed to make financial transactions of more than $1,000, can't open new lines of credit, can't leave the house except to exercise and must go through substance abuse and mental health treatment, according to the agreement.

More @ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/12/23/first-mover-americas-sec-scrutnizes-crypto-audits-sbf-gets-bail/

Yes, it's disgusting to see that money can buy you (temporary?) freedom - even in a very clear case of extreme fraud like in this situation.
However, as much as I despise SBF and his atrocious way of trying to weasel out of any responsibility (did you listen to Coffeezilla interviews of him? - hilarious!) let's not forget one important thing:
For this FTX + Alemeda mega-scam to become as big as it did and run as long as it did, we need A LOT of people to look the other way (or be actively involved), while things were already running in a *more than shady* way.
Sure, everyone wants a scapegoat, and probably SBF deserves a massive sentence - however I fear most of the other people that enabled this thing in the first place will not receive similar justice.
Gonna be interesting though how the 2 closest friend and once a lover and the Co-founder of SBF will testify against him, the revelation is going to explode in the courtroom,

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Caroline Ellison, the former chief executive of Alameda Research and Bankman-Fried’s sometime lover, and Gary Wang, a co-founder of the $32-billion crypto exchange, were charged “in connection with their roles in the frauds that contributed to FTX’s collapse,” U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Damian Williams said in a brief video address.

Ellison, 28, pleaded guilty to seven counts, including wire fraud and conspiracy to commit securities fraud, according to a plea agreement obtained by The Wall Street Journal. The seven counts carry a maximum sentence of 110 years in prison

Wang, 29, pleaded guilty to four counts: wire fraud, conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to commit commodities fraud, and conspiracy to commit securities fraud. He faces up to five decades behind bars.

https://news.yahoo.com/sbf-girlfriend-ftx-co-founder-030124940.html

So with this 2 also have a case against them, for sure they will squeal what's the inner workings behind, and point everything to SBF to save their faces and get a lenient sentence.
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 08:21:59 PM
#25
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried has been released on bail after appearing in U.S. federal court in New York on Thursday. Bankman-Fried was told he can live with his parents on $250 million bail secured in part by their Palo Alto, California, house. His release also includes a long list of requirements for him to remain free while he faces charges. He's not allowed to make financial transactions of more than $1,000, can't open new lines of credit, can't leave the house except to exercise and must go through substance abuse and mental health treatment, according to the agreement.

More @ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/12/23/first-mover-americas-sec-scrutnizes-crypto-audits-sbf-gets-bail/

He claimed in an interview that he had less than $100,000, so how can he afford to pay the $250,000,000 bond?

His parents posted the bond and used property as collateral. It's not clear to me whether the entirety of 250M needed to be produced in order for SBF to be released, but it's odd how his parents assets aren't being investigated. If it's true that FTX funneled money to SBF's parents, then the feds will seize his parents assets and potentially find them criminally liable as a result. If the funds are seized, the bail should be nullified because the collateral isn't actually under their ownership. These trials will take a while to be prosecuted. Could be years while he's out on bail.

Had SBF had 250M, the feds will have seized it all. So he most likely kept all of his wealth in off shore accounts or in other people's name. Of course, he undoubtedly has probably millions of dollars worth of crypto assets the government is unaware of.
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 07:19:16 PM
#24
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried has been released on bail after appearing in U.S. federal court in New York on Thursday. Bankman-Fried was told he can live with his parents on $250 million bail secured in part by their Palo Alto, California, house. His release also includes a long list of requirements for him to remain free while he faces charges. He's not allowed to make financial transactions of more than $1,000, can't open new lines of credit, can't leave the house except to exercise and must go through substance abuse and mental health treatment, according to the agreement.

More @ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/12/23/first-mover-americas-sec-scrutnizes-crypto-audits-sbf-gets-bail/

Yes, it's disgusting to see that money can buy you (temporary?) freedom - even in a very clear case of extreme fraud like in this situation.
However, as much as I despise SBF and his atrocious way of trying to weasel out of any responsibility (did you listen to Coffeezilla interviews of him? - hilarious!) let's not forget one important thing:
For this FTX + Alemeda mega-scam to become as big as it did and run as long as it did, we need A LOT of people to look the other way (or be actively involved), while things were already running in a *more than shady* way.
Sure, everyone wants a scapegoat, and probably SBF deserves a massive sentence - however I fear most of the other people that enabled this thing in the first place will not receive similar justice.
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 06:57:49 PM
#23
my view is

eg
customer PoR: (audit A)
customer balance total      500k coin
customer reserve address  500k coin
value ($) at audit : $8.25bill
...

If it's an exchange you're talking about, you have to consider that some portion of the coins held at the customers' reserve address would belong to the exchange (i.e. in relation to exchange fees and/or other charges). Those cannot be completely separated. And that's not really a problem, customers' funds would be recognised as both assets and liabilities on the company's balance sheet (see a snippet of the Coinbase BS as an example) and any competent auditor should be able pick up any deficits.




legendary
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December 23, 2022, 06:55:18 PM
#22
I generally support bail, given that people shouldn't be imprisoned before they are convicted, and given that the sum is pretty big (so I don't think he'll run).
for non physical harm charges i agree, but with not locking some one up for month pre-trial. however there needs to be stiff conditions. such as the ankle monitor, a curfew, limitation of distance/time from home. surrendering passport etc.

But substance abuse and mental health treatment? If these are requirements for bail, might it mean Bankman-Fried's defence strategy is to prove that he, suffering from addiction and mental health issues, wasn't quite capable of recognizing his actions (regarding FTX) and thus isn't liable for criminal responsibility? IMO, that's the most interesting part in this news. I don't think such treatment is a standard bail requirement, so it might shed light on how the trial will play out.

he actually does have a drug problem he couldnt even last 10 minutes in a court room without asking the court to go to the bathroom to apply his 'high' inducing emsom patch to stop the shakes and withdrawals

as for trying the insanity defence you presume he will try,
that only works when its s short event like a couple minute murder. it doesnt work when it was a year long+ fraud

i believe it is part of the deal that he surrendered his passport. but of course, with money you can very well get out of the country if you want to. but i don't think he will do such escape as it is his parents' home at stake. i can agree that he may have drug problem issues.. great that he has parents to rely on to this matter.  don't know yet where this is heading to. but this will be a long process of hearings and can they still recover some funds to allocate to his clients' losses?
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 06:52:43 PM
#21
I generally support bail, given that people shouldn't be imprisoned before they are convicted, and given that the sum is pretty big (so I don't think he'll run).
for non physical harm charges i agree, but with not locking some one up for month pre-trial. however there needs to be stiff conditions. such as the ankle monitor, a curfew, limitation of distance/time from home. surrendering passport etc.

But substance abuse and mental health treatment? If these are requirements for bail, might it mean Bankman-Fried's defence strategy is to prove that he, suffering from addiction and mental health issues, wasn't quite capable of recognizing his actions (regarding FTX) and thus isn't liable for criminal responsibility? IMO, that's the most interesting part in this news. I don't think such treatment is a standard bail requirement, so it might shed light on how the trial will play out.

he actually does have a drug problem he couldnt even last 10 minutes in a court room without asking the court to go to the bathroom to apply his 'high' inducing emsom patch to stop the shakes and withdrawals

as for trying the insanity defence you presume he will try,

having the cognative ability to plan to wear his courtroom suit when being arrested so he can avoid appearing in a jumpsuit in court, and having a prescription medicine 'legal high' set up to allow him to continue getting high, shows he is not insane.

insanity defence only works when the crime is a short event like a spur of the moment unplanned couple minute murder. it doesnt work when it was a year long+ planned fraud.
sr. member
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December 23, 2022, 05:16:58 PM
#20
I don’t understand why SBF was granted bail, a case of this magnitude and also considering the resources he has at his disposal, doesn’t that make SBF a flight risk? Didn’t the FBI catch him trying to flee the country to Dubai?What’s stopping him from trying again? If I was a victim of FTX scam, I would be feeling very sad right now, the justice system is too slow and manipulated.
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December 23, 2022, 05:14:44 PM
#19
In crypto, once an incident occurs, it cannot be reversed. So whether Sam Bankman-Fried is released from prison makes no difference. The FTX incident brought down the entire cryptocurrency market, affecting many users. Rather, Sam Bankman-Fried should be heavily punished so that others will be cautious when considering doing something wrong with user funds.

We may, for a long time, feel the weight of the harm these scammers have caused, not just to the investors who lost on this but also to the entire bitcoin market. The media's portrayal of him is really irritating to me as well. Also, he will have the support of influential people. The agreement to visit mental health care is a way to skip further judgment.
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 05:12:28 PM
#18
He claimed in an interview that he had less than $100,000, so how can he afford to pay the $250,000,000 bond?

According to Reuters, Bankman-Fried's bail was secured by his parents Joseph Bankman and Barbara Fried, who offered up their home in Palo Alto, California.

Does the bail amount mean Bankman-Fried or his family has $250 million?

No. In Bankman-Fried's case, the $250 million bond is secured by his parents' home. Since Bankman-Fried's parents signed the bond agreement, they would be on the hook for $250 million if their son flees.
hero member
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December 23, 2022, 04:40:50 PM
#17
There's still got much money left for him and that's not surprising. People who have been a victim of his collapse might feel bad that instead of him returning that amount to the affected ones, he just used it for bailing.

While his ex-gf, Caroline, pleaded guilty.

Well, he may be on release for now but I'm sure that he can't do this forever or else there's a financier or he has tempt the billions of money somewhere he can access anytime.
hero member
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December 23, 2022, 04:38:04 PM
#16
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried has been released on bail after appearing in U.S. federal court in New York on Thursday. Bankman-Fried was told he can live with his parents on $250 million bail secured in part by their Palo Alto, California, house. His release also includes a long list of requirements for him to remain free while he faces charges. He's not allowed to make financial transactions of more than $1,000, can't open new lines of credit, can't leave the house except to exercise and must go through substance abuse and mental health treatment, according to the agreement.

More @ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/12/23/first-mover-americas-sec-scrutnizes-crypto-audits-sbf-gets-bail/

He claimed in an interview that he had less than $100,000, so how can he afford to pay the $250,000,000 bond?

SBF have properties, and it was stated is secured by the part of their Palo Alto, California, house.  But shouldn't this property be confiscated and liquidated in order to reimburse the victims.  The government did really want the share of the pie.  They had SBF fined $250m when they can just use that $250m to fund a reimbursement to many victims of FTX and let SBF rot in jail.  It should be non-bailable because of the degree and extent of the damage done by the incompetence and fraud of the FTX company.  Now we are witnessing how light the justice system is on SBF.

hero member
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December 23, 2022, 04:14:15 PM
#15
In crypto, once an incident occurs, it cannot be reversed. So whether Sam Bankman-Fried is released from prison makes no difference. The FTX incident brought down the entire cryptocurrency market, affecting many users. Rather, Sam Bankman-Fried should be heavily punished so that others will be cautious when considering doing something wrong with user funds.
Totally light and there should be no bail for this one, we arent all that dumb not to say that those bail money had been provided is really just came from their users which it did really make him at least taste some
freedom even its not really totally due to those restrictions but it is really much better rather to be on jail.We should really be seeing the other way around.
These had been talked about those probabilities that might happen a few days ago and some people were really just actually right on things that could possibly happen
which it really ended up on this way which it didnt make them surprised nor really get shocked.
newbie
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December 23, 2022, 03:58:34 PM
#14
Former FTX CEO Sam Bankman-Fried has been released on bail after appearing in U.S. federal court in New York on Thursday. Bankman-Fried was told he can live with his parents on $250 million bail secured in part by their Palo Alto, California, house. His release also includes a long list of requirements for him to remain free while he faces charges. He's not allowed to make financial transactions of more than $1,000, can't open new lines of credit, can't leave the house except to exercise and must go through substance abuse and mental health treatment, according to the agreement.

More @ https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2022/12/23/first-mover-americas-sec-scrutnizes-crypto-audits-sbf-gets-bail/

He claimed in an interview that he had less than $100,000, so how can he afford to pay the $250,000,000 bond?
hero member
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December 23, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
#13
Sam Bankrupt Fraud paid millions to be able to get a hug from his parents and a proper vegan meal. Or maybe it was just so that he could stop being someone's girlfriend for a few months.

Don't you worry Sam, this is inevitable. Sooner or later you're going back and there won't be even a private session with your girlfriend because she's throwing you under the bus as we speak.
She and your friend Gary pleaded guilty, so that's game over for you Sam. It's only a matter of time before you're in an orange jumpsuit.
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 02:21:30 PM
#12
my view is

eg
customer PoR: (audit A)
customer balance total      500k coin
customer reserve address  500k coin
value ($) at audit : $8.25bill

customer assets: $8.25bill

company audit:(audit B)
company owned balance sheet: $2bill
company owned assets: $2bill
total liabilities $1.0bill
company status (+/-) = +$1bill

fully audited balances (a+b): $10.25bill
fully audited reserves (a+b): $10.25bill

where the +$1bill status is the company owned assets -  company liabilities
where customer assets are not part of the company status

thus proving no co-mingling and also no shuffling between customer to company occurred
and the company reserves audited where both are seen as totaling the same as all coins under control of company totalling the t

however
to many people have been saying to co-mingle the customer reserves with companies assets and liabilities where in the example above in their view it would be if there was a $4bill liabilities

company status (+/-) = +$6.25bill
which is bad because thats pretending the company could use customer reserves to pay off company liabilities
legendary
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December 23, 2022, 02:08:02 PM
#11
Am I the only one who believes there is a risk he tries to escape?
I don't think there is a chance of this happening. He knows how more severe his judgement will be if he tries to run and get caught again which he will if he tries it. Plus it is a foolish thing to do, for someone who is hoping not to be in jail. Where could he possibly run to that he would be able to hide from the security agencies?

From my point of view this guy should have been held in jail without the chance of bail.
Maybe it will finally get to jail term, but these already is to ensure he stays sane and alive to have a court case.
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