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Topic: Satoshi Now - UP TO 18000 satoshi per hour - 25% referral - SSL - page 28. (Read 38013 times)

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Activity: 882
Merit: 976
If filtering proxies and VPNs was so easy we would have done that, we already filter the whole TOR network.

Not even main social networks are able to do that, not even twitter which had to implement phone verification.

A proxy can be any terminal, any computer, you just need a script literally of some lines. It's difficult to filter legit users from cheating ones, forums help a lot since we know where you are advertising.

You don't need to explain to me what a proxy is lol but if you have an account that you're about to payout, and an audit clearly shows that they have made claims from 100+ addresses, or even 50+ addresses, you simply don't pay. That, along with a bold clause on your site that says proxies and VPN's are not allowed will deter enough of the proxy/vpn users without making you look like the bad guy. Just make sure that you're actively in the forums explaining why a user didn't get paid, so others can see and heed the warning before they even join your site.
We have people with 100+ referrals who are legit  Cheesy

I'm legit, and I have sites with 2,000+ referrals

What's your point?
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
If filtering proxies and VPNs was so easy we would have done that, we already filter the whole TOR network.

Not even main social networks are able to do that, not even twitter which had to implement phone verification.

A proxy can be any terminal, any computer, you just need a script literally of some lines. It's difficult to filter legit users from cheating ones, forums help a lot since we know where you are advertising.

You don't need to explain to me what a proxy is lol but if you have an account that you're about to payout, and an audit clearly shows that they have made claims from 100+ addresses, or even 50+ addresses, you simply don't pay. That, along with a bold clause on your site that says proxies and VPN's are not allowed will deter enough of the proxy/vpn users without making you look like the bad guy. Just make sure that you're actively in the forums explaining why a user didn't get paid, so others can see and heed the warning before they even join your site.
We have people with 100+ referrals who are legit  Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
If filtering proxies and VPNs was so easy we would have done that, we already filter the whole TOR network.

Not even main social networks are able to do that, not even twitter which had to implement phone verification.

A proxy can be any terminal, any computer, you just need a script literally of some lines. It's difficult to filter legit users from cheating ones, forums help a lot since we know where you are advertising.

You don't need to explain to me what a proxy is lol but if you have an account that you're about to payout, and an audit clearly shows that they have made claims from 100+ addresses, or even 50+ addresses, you simply don't pay. That, along with a bold clause on your site that says proxies and VPN's are not allowed will deter enough of the proxy/vpn users without making you look like the bad guy. Just make sure that you're actively in the forums explaining why a user didn't get paid, so others can see and heed the warning before they even join your site.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Yes but is not direct %, we use randomly generated seeds for ref commissions which can go up to 25%

The link is on claim page

For the record, I have pulled all advertising for your site once I realized that I wasn't making a full 25% commission off of my referral's claims. If you're going to use a random referral commission, you should raise the cap to 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise, it's not worth my investment to advertise your website for a chance that I could only earn 1% off of my ref's claims.

Sorry bud, but I don't agree with your commission structure at all. I was such a proponent of your site until you posted that and I realized that you're skimping out on referral commissions.....
To handle what you are proposing we should suspend a lot of users since is so easy to get proxies, at that point the referral system would not be profitable anymore for us and we would ruin our reputation.

With the actual referral system instead people can invite some friends and earn some extras  Grin.

You have to understand the way that the faucet economy works, though. I don't use faucets and claim all the time because I want to or because I'm bored; I do it as a way to make money. Granted it's not a lot, but I have enough of a referral base (that's continually growing) to push new links, and I always push the faucets that have a good combination of payouts & ref commissions. A lot of heavy hitters in the faucet world do the same thing.

I don't know what your solution to proxies and VPN users are, but that's your concern, not ours... And I would hate for you to have to ruin your reputation, but under your current logic, you're pretty much then condoning proxy and VPN users? Your site doesn't have an active terms page, or an FAQ, or a privacy policy page, so I hate to break it you, but you're already going to have a shit ton of proxy users that are gonna be uber pissed when they can't make a cashout once you audit their account.

The solution to this is not by reducing the referral commissions or by operating it on a fluctuation model, but by making it VERY WELL known and clearly stated on your website that Proxy/VPN users are not allowed and WILL NOT GET PAID.

This is the same exact problem that InstantSatoshi encountered, and by the time they added the clause to the website, it was too late and the damage had been done. The biggest problem that they had was that the admin wasn't active in the forums. So instead of dealing with all the proxy/vpn users directly by letting others know that their withdrawals weren't getting handled because they were using proxies, those same users went on to taint the rest of the users by saying that the site was not paying. Those users then went on to say that the site wasn't paying, while never even hitting their threshold to be able to withdraw their balance in the first place.

I was able to successfully withdraw, even after 90% of the users in the forums and twittersphere were saying that the site stopped paying, but I got shunned by a lot of users saying that I was lying and that it was a forged transaction, when I CLEARLY documented the transaction with screenshots and links to the tx id.

I'm sure you can see it already here in your thread... People already saying that this is a scam.

Sorry dude, but I can't do your job for you. But at the same time, you can't punish users like me that are used to making a set commission and all of a sudden expecting for me to operate the same way, but not knowing how much I'm going to make.

This is a whole new side of the faucet industry that you don't know about, obviously... There are a few soldiers out there just like me, who build directories, mailers, and lists and blast them to referrals. We use our own money to advertise on big ad networks, pumping upwards of 1BTC per campaign on some of the bigger sites. All of this in exchange for referrals.

Essentially, what you're doing by offering a fluctuating commission model is this: Let's say I'm a Ferrari dealer. I'm provided cars by Ferrari corp at a wholesale rate. I then turn around and spend my money to market that car, add an MSRP markup on it, and bring the buyers to buy my cars. Then I get a notice from Ferrari that says that my commission for the sales will be randomly drawn out of a hat. Nevermind that i put my own money marketing it, and marked up the price according to the profits I knew I could make. My commissions are now randomly chosen by them. What would I do? I would get the fuck out of selling Ferraris.

I hope you can understand how important the faucet ecosphere is for me, and it may be just me, and I only have a couple dozen referrals right now, but I can guarantee that if your site was to pay me out, I would have had thousands of referrals within a week. And unfortunately, if you keep the rolling commission model, tell me now so I can save all my time and money... And I'm sure there are other faucet whales reading this right now that will agree with me.

Your job as a faucet right now is to prove just 2 things (and you chose this, by the way). These two things tie in directly with each other:

1. Pay users consistently
2. Prove InstantSatoshi was the only scam of its kind

Those are your only two goals. If you can do both of these things, I can personally guarantee that you will have one of, if not THE, most successful faucets in the industry.

Anyways, sorry for this novel, but I really really really want a faucet like yours to succeed. I want you to prove the naysayers wrong, and I wanted to help you get there, as you can see from my previous posts in this thread. But by you operating a rolling commission model, you're throwing all of that out the window, man.
If filtering proxies and VPNs was so easy we would have done that, we already filter the whole TOR network.

Not even main social networks are able to do that, not even twitter which had to implement phone verification.

A proxy can be any terminal, any computer, you just need a script literally of some lines. It's difficult to filter legit users from cheating ones, forums help a lot since we know where you are advertising.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
Yes but is not direct %, we use randomly generated seeds for ref commissions which can go up to 25%

The link is on claim page

For the record, I have pulled all advertising for your site once I realized that I wasn't making a full 25% commission off of my referral's claims. If you're going to use a random referral commission, you should raise the cap to 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise, it's not worth my investment to advertise your website for a chance that I could only earn 1% off of my ref's claims.

Sorry bud, but I don't agree with your commission structure at all. I was such a proponent of your site until you posted that and I realized that you're skimping out on referral commissions.....
To handle what you are proposing we should suspend a lot of users since is so easy to get proxies, at that point the referral system would not be profitable anymore for us and we would ruin our reputation.

With the actual referral system instead people can invite some friends and earn some extras  Grin.

You have to understand the way that the faucet economy works, though. I don't use faucets and claim all the time because I want to or because I'm bored; I do it as a way to make money. Granted it's not a lot, but I have enough of a referral base (that's continually growing) to push new links, and I always push the faucets that have a good combination of payouts & ref commissions. A lot of heavy hitters in the faucet world do the same thing.

I don't know what your solution to proxies and VPN users are, but that's your concern, not ours... And I would hate for you to have to ruin your reputation, but under your current logic, you're pretty much then condoning proxy and VPN users? Your site doesn't have an active terms page, or an FAQ, or a privacy policy page, so I hate to break it you, but you're already going to have a shit ton of proxy users that are gonna be uber pissed when they can't make a cashout once you audit their account.

The solution to this is not by reducing the referral commissions or by operating it on a fluctuation model, but by making it VERY WELL known and clearly stated on your website that Proxy/VPN users are not allowed and WILL NOT GET PAID.

This is the same exact problem that InstantSatoshi encountered, and by the time they added the clause to the website, it was too late and the damage had been done. The biggest problem that they had was that the admin wasn't active in the forums. So instead of dealing with all the proxy/vpn users directly by letting others know that their withdrawals weren't getting handled because they were using proxies, those same users went on to taint the rest of the users by saying that the site was not paying. Those users then went on to say that the site wasn't paying, while never even hitting their threshold to be able to withdraw their balance in the first place.

I was able to successfully withdraw, even after 90% of the users in the forums and twittersphere were saying that the site stopped paying, but I got shunned by a lot of users saying that I was lying and that it was a forged transaction, when I CLEARLY documented the transaction with screenshots and links to the tx id.

I'm sure you can see it already here in your thread... People already saying that this is a scam.

Sorry dude, but I can't do your job for you. But at the same time, you can't punish users like me that are used to making a set commission and all of a sudden expecting for me to operate the same way, but not knowing how much I'm going to make.

This is a whole new side of the faucet industry that you don't know about, obviously... There are a few soldiers out there just like me, who build directories, mailers, and lists and blast them to referrals. We use our own money to advertise on big ad networks, pumping upwards of 1BTC per campaign on some of the bigger sites. All of this in exchange for referrals.

Essentially, what you're doing by offering a fluctuating commission model is this: Let's say I'm a Ferrari dealer. I'm provided cars by Ferrari corp at a wholesale rate. I then turn around and spend my money to market that car, add an MSRP markup on it, and bring the buyers to buy my cars. Then I get a notice from Ferrari that says that my commission for the sales will be randomly drawn out of a hat. Nevermind that i put my own money marketing it, and marked up the price according to the profits I knew I could make. My commissions are now randomly chosen by them. What would I do? I would get the fuck out of selling Ferraris.

I hope you can understand how important the faucet ecosphere is for me, and it may be just me, and I only have a couple dozen referrals for SatoshiNow right now, but I can guarantee that if your site was to pay me out, I would have had thousands of referrals within a week. And unfortunately, if you keep the rolling commission model, tell me now so I can save all my time and money... And I'm sure there are other faucet whales reading this right now that will agree with me.

Your job as a faucet right now is to prove just 2 things (and you chose this, by the way). These two things tie in directly with each other:

1. Pay users consistently
2. Prove InstantSatoshi was the only scam of its kind

Those are your only two goals. If you can do both of these things, I can personally guarantee that you will have one of, if not THE, most successful faucets in the industry.

Anyways, sorry for this novel, but I really really really want a faucet like yours to succeed. I want you to prove the naysayers wrong, and I wanted to help you get there, as you can see from my previous posts in this thread. But by you operating a rolling commission model, you're throwing all of that out the window, man.
member
Activity: 70
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Yes but is not direct %, we use randomly generated seeds for ref commissions which can go up to 25%

The link is on claim page

For the record, I have pulled all advertising for your site once I realized that I wasn't making a full 25% commission off of my referral's claims. If you're going to use a random referral commission, you should raise the cap to 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise, it's not worth my investment to advertise your website for a chance that I could only earn 1% off of my ref's claims.

Sorry bud, but I don't agree with your commission structure at all. I was such a proponent of your site until you posted that and I realized that you're skimping out on referral commissions.....
To handle what you are proposing we should suspend a lot of users since is so easy to get proxies, at that point the referral system would not be profitable anymore for us and we would ruin our reputation.

With the actual referral system instead people can invite some friends and earn some extras  Grin.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
Yes but is not direct %, we use randomly generated seeds for ref commissions which can go up to 25%

The link is on claim page

For the record, I have pulled all advertising for your site once I realized that I wasn't making a full 25% commission off of my referral's claims. If you're going to use a random referral commission, you should raise the cap to 50% instead of 25%. Otherwise, it's not worth my investment to advertise your website for a chance that I could only earn 1% off of my ref's claims.

Sorry bud, but I don't agree with your commission structure at all. I was such a proponent of your site until you posted that and I realized that you're skimping out on referral commissions.....
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Activity: 70
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too big to limit payments. Usually these faucets is simply a lie. Do not pay.

Or is it someone got paid? Grin
We are releasing every withdraw, soon will come more
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
too big to limit payments. Usually these faucets is simply a lie. Do not pay.

Or is it someone got paid? Grin
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CryptoTalk.Org - Get Paid for every Post!
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol

"Now" and "Instant" but you need to claim 400 times earning 3000 satoshi on each to try the cashout option. To receive probably NOTHING on your wallet!

I think there is nothing of Instant or Immediate on it hahaha
newbie
Activity: 13
Merit: 0
snip
What does it matter, really?

Wow pretty big wall of text, you seem very motivated to get ppl to use this faucet.

My motivation is to save ppl from wasting their time and avoiding scam sites, which seem to be popping up everywhere these days. I am a very casual user of faucets and have no interest in trying to get referrals or to get traffic for my own site. Guess that's what makes me so ' salty' a term I thought only my elderly aunt Agnes used.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol
Their concept was good but we made it better and safer

So you say your concept is similar with them?
Do you realize how bad that sounds when their concept was that they promise high rewards to get a lot users in short time and have very high minimum payouts so they can get money from the ads before they need to pay to anyone...
In my opinion they made an unsafe referral system and too high rewards that's why they stopped paying, we are good for now and we will keep to be Smiley

your programm has no refferal ?
I havent seen any refferal link on site ?

kind regrads
Yes but is not direct %, we use randomly generated seeds for ref commissions which can go up to 25%

The link is on claim page
legendary
Activity: 1582
Merit: 1031
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol
Their concept was good but we made it better and safer

So you say your concept is similar with them?
Do you realize how bad that sounds when their concept was that they promise high rewards to get a lot users in short time and have very high minimum payouts so they can get money from the ads before they need to pay to anyone...
In my opinion they made an unsafe referral system and too high rewards that's why they stopped paying, we are good for now and we will keep to be Smiley

your programm has no refferal ?
I havent seen any refferal link on site ?

kind regrads
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 976
Everyone who is saying that this site will fail because it's similar to InstantSatoshi's site probably wasn't here long enough to see PinkTussy and JokerTimes sites... They were pretty much among the first to break the mold of 50sats/claim, and came out strong and became real popular real fast. Yet there are literally hundreds of sites that were modeled after those two, and nobody wants to cry about them, even though the majority of them shut down within a month.

If you have a problem with Satoshi Now, don't just sit here and bitch about it, just don't use it. Making comparisons to InstantSatoshi is a great warning for people that may not have any idea what InstantSatoshi is, but to deter them from using it and saying that this site is also a scam is really unfair for the new faucet owner, and can really mess up his business/revenue model before even giving him a fair chance.

As far as I'm concerned, Cookie3 is much more active and communicative about this faucet than InstantSatoshi's admin ever was, so when it comes to a point that the payouts may be higher than earnings, I'm sure that Cookie3 will make appropriate changes to the system, rather than just abandoning it like InstantSatoshi did.

So what if the two sites are similar? It's not the same admin. And there are literally THOUSANDS of other faucets out there that are all similar to each other. What does it matter, really?
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol
Their concept was good but we made it better and safer

So you say your concept is similar with them?
Do you realize how bad that sounds when their concept was that they promise high rewards to get a lot users in short time and have very high minimum payouts so they can get money from the ads before they need to pay to anyone...
In my opinion they made an unsafe referral system and too high rewards that's why they stopped paying, we are good for now and we will keep to be Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol
Their concept was good but we made it better and safer

So you say your concept is similar with them?
Do you realize how bad that sounds when their concept was that they promise high rewards to get a lot users in short time and have very high minimum payouts so they can get money from the ads before they need to pay to anyone...
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol
Their concept was good but we made it better and safer
sr. member
Activity: 249
Merit: 250
Here are a couple of similarities between the two sites:

rewards:

satoshinow: ~3000 satoshi
instantsatoshi: ~5000 satoshi

claim timer:

satoshinow: every 10 minutes
instantsatoshi: every 10 minutes

referral earnings:

satoshinow: 25%
instantsatoshi: 20%

withdraw:

satoshinow: 0.012 BTC
instantsatoshi: 0.015 BTC

I also like the design and terms: "now" and "instant" (they are very similar). lol
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
Everything about this site REEKS of instantsatoshi nonsense. Do not waste your time. Faucets are dead, you'll make more money collecting cans.
InstantSatoshi is offering:
up to 5000 satoshi
20% on referrals without limits
insane bonuses up to 50000 satoshi

And you wonder why they are not able to pay?

I like that you're salty enough to come here to post this. Looks like someone got screwed by InstantSatoshi.

Either way, I'm looking forward to hitting out the threshold here, and if it's paid, I'll post accordingly. If it's not paid... Well, I'll post accordingly.
Don't get what you mean but good luck
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