Satoshi's early mined coins & the message left in the blockchain - page 2.

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Quote from: oldgolddigger on February 09, 2021, 10:08:13 AM

https://news.bitcoin.com/online-sleuths-believe-satoshi-nakamotos-bitcoin-stash-is-a-blockchain-treasure-hunt-meant-to-be-found/

'Over the last twelve years, the cryptocurrency community has always been intrigued by Bitcoin’s inventor Satoshi Nakamoto. For over a decade, armchair sleuths and journalists have tried to uncover the creator’s identity and information on the whereabouts of all the bitcoins the enigma mined when the network was still in its infancy. Now a few individuals believe Satoshi’s coins may be the greatest prize competition ever and the private keys are somehow hidden within the blockchain.'

Quote from: oldgolddigger on January 30, 2021, 10:44:48 AM

😀

We are trying.

We're also trying.

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https://news.bitcoin.com/online-sleuths-believe-satoshi-nakamotos-bitcoin-stash-is-a-blockchain-treasure-hunt-meant-to-be-found/

'Over the last twelve years, the cryptocurrency community has always been intrigued by Bitcoin’s inventor Satoshi Nakamoto. For over a decade, armchair sleuths and journalists have tried to uncover the creator’s identity and information on the whereabouts of all the bitcoins the enigma mined when the network was still in its infancy. Now a few individuals believe Satoshi’s coins may be the greatest prize competition ever and the private keys are somehow hidden within the blockchain.'

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He could have generated a random private key and then given clues on how to solve it, without having to create a custom private key, just my 2 cents.

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https://twitter.com/SDLerner/status/1145128910176378881
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' Very odd with the 300 s activation time there... my gut is telling me that satoshi was playing around with timestamps, and IIRC his block times are badly out of sync with the other miners...'

He also fingerprinted his timestamps.

https://bitslog.com/2020/06/22/a-new-mystery-in-patoshi-timestamps/
'This strange pattern is a new way to distinguish the Patoshi pattern from all other coinbase sets. We had three methods already (steep fast extranonce increment, reduced nonce LSB range, no timestamp reversals), and now we add a fourth (and in a next post I will show a fifth!). So why timestamp deltas are oddly distributed is a new unsolved mystery for our large collection. In my opinion, the existence of so many distinguishers is an indicator that Patoshi wanted his/her blocks to be identified.'

Identified for what?

We say: for the privatekeys of the early mined coins. But as of February 2021 we still don't have discovered how he implemented the privatekeys into the blockchain.

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Having a read through this, somewhat interesting, but would literally be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

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https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/

'The selected set of bytes (0 to 9, 19 to 58) could have been selected to map a somewhat extended alphabet into this set. This must be explored further.
Another idea that crossed my mind is that the set itself has a kind of hidden message... I hope my friend Timo (the mathematician) now finds the hidden message and brings me some peace.'

Base58 isn't appropriate for text messages. Bitcoin uses Base58 for WIF publickeys and privatekeys.

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It seems to me that some people have too much free time to think about such things.

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Just an idea / part 2:

For the privatekeys we would need a set of Base58 characters from the blockchain. And this we can find in the coinbase addresses. And the LSB values could be connected with them.

🙂 Would be amazing if in the future that idea will be regarded as the key to the privatekeys.

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Quote from: zanezane on February 03, 2021, 12:13:41 PM

what if the reason that the bitcoin is not moving is because satoshi is doing the favor of making bitcoin more valuable by removing 1,000,000 into the circulation.

https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/#comment-1398

'If so, that was a rare bit of stupidity on Satoshi’s part: if he wanted to reassure the world that he won’t crash the value of bitcoins, he could simply have provably destroyed the coins (there are several ways to do this and Satoshi would have known them), not done something as bizarre as statistically encoded some sort of bitpattern into the early blocks without any other hint or message and waited 4 years for someone to find a leak he didn’t notice for a year, while all the while people wondered whether Satoshi would spend his coins…'

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Quote from: zanezane on February 03, 2021, 12:13:41 PM

On the other hand, wouldn't the things satoshi said would be more credible like the part where he/she posted about the problem with lost coins

Satoshi never said that the early mined coins are lost.

It is a simple game. If someone can move the coins, that would mean that Satoshi wanted it. What we are doing is to inform people what we've discovered and that it was not a random mining. The findings from Sergio and TechMiX https://medium.com/@mytechmix/the-mysterious-19-79d0f338a06c show that it was done intentionally with a different software. And we're trying to solve it.

Another thing is: we think that not all keys can be discovered with only one solution so that there are several different ways to distribute the coins.

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Quote from: DarkDays on February 02, 2021, 11:16:43 AM

This reminds me of the 'Ready player one' plot presented in the first book, where Haliday is the equivalent of Satoshi now. If indeed there is an encrypted treasure hidden that would be exciting Grin

Nice reference although I have only watched the movie, I get what you are at. This is as close we can get to replicating that scene. I am really conflicted on this part where if we try to put ourselves into satoshi's brilliant mind, why not leave some clue that there is a game, most treasure map creators tell the prospective winners that there is a treasure hunt and the reward is waiting for them, some will give clue but some consider the announcement as a clue. I mean, why not leave a message, finding the key is already difficult as is. On the other hand, wouldn't the things satoshi said would be more credible like the part where he/she posted about the problem with lost coins, what if the reason that the bitcoin is not moving is because satoshi is doing the favor of making bitcoin more valuable by removing 1,000,000 into the circulation.

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Quote from: dansus021 on January 31, 2021, 10:35:23 AM

So cracking satoshi nakamoto private key seems impossible Grin

but who know right Grin

i think satoshi have reason to keep his bitcoin

whoever is able to solve it, is the chosen person the satoshi expects to succeed. It's like a place to determine satoshi legacy for us in the future. well hopefully it's over and will be a new opening for the future of bitcoin.

hi is this a contest? pirate treasure?

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Quote from: oldgolddigger on February 02, 2021, 11:20:06 AM

https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/#comment-1376

'Great work and what an incredible finding, would love to know the answer! Do you think it’s a bit odd that he used a proprietary Base58 for the address encoding and just happens that you’re seeing the spike between values 0-57? ... I know it’s probably just coincidence but it would be amazing if there was a secret message in the LSB to explain this'

https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/

'The selected set of bytes (0 to 9, 19 to 58) could have been selected to map a somewhat extended alphabet into this set. This must be explored further.'

Just an idea:

The privatekey in Wallet Import Format (WIF) is for example 'KwDiBf89QgGbjEhKnhXJuH7LrciVrZi3qYjgd9M7rFU73sVHnoWn' and contains 52 Base58 characters. The first two characters are always 'Kw', 'Kx', 'Ky', 'Kz', 'L1', 'L2', 'L3', 'L4' or 'L5'.
The Base58 alphabet = '123456789ABCDEFGHJKLMNPQRSTUVWXYZabcdefghijkmnopqrstuvwxyz' and the 19th character is 'K', maybe indicating the beginning of the key.
When we create 100 privatekeys so we will have on average each Base58 character 86 times. But the first two characters starting with 'K' only 44 times and with 'L' only 56 times. That's approximately half of the rest of the characters in the key. That is maybe the reason for the LSB value of 19 being half of the others.

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Quote from: ranochigo on February 02, 2021, 11:45:39 AM

Quote from: oldgolddigger on February 02, 2021, 11:36:45 AM

He used a different version.

How do you know? Did you ask him?

https://bitslog.com/2020/08/22/the-patoshi-mining-machine/
'I knew that Patoshi mined with a different software than the reference code'

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Quote from: oldgolddigger on February 02, 2021, 11:36:45 AM

He used a different version.

How do you know? Did you ask him?

Evidence suggests that the extra nonce appears to be in line with the behavior of the Bitcoin-qt 0.1.0 at that time. You cannot find a distinct pattern with the ECDSA public keys present, the patterns with the private key will not hold to it's corresponding public keys and there isn't any evidence to suggest that there is.

Quote from: oldgolddigger on February 02, 2021, 11:36:45 AM

He won't move his coins. We will move them.

Ok. Believe what you will. Do update us when you figure out the private keys.

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Quote from: ranochigo on February 02, 2021, 11:30:31 AM

Quote from: oldgolddigger on January 31, 2021, 10:52:30 AM

What we're talking about is that Satoshi implemented the Privatekeys intentionally to be found.

Satoshi was mining using the earlier versions of Bitcoin-qt and thus you'd want to inspect the source code of the earlier clients for any possible weakness during the generation which I can say, there isn't any..

He used a different version.

He won't move his coins. We will move them.

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Quote from: oldgolddigger on January 31, 2021, 10:52:30 AM

What we're talking about is that Satoshi implemented the Privatekeys intentionally to be found.

If you're going in that direction, I'm almost certain that it would've been gone if there was any pattern with the private keys.

Satoshi was mining using the earlier versions of Bitcoin-qt and thus you'd want to inspect the source code of the earlier clients for any possible weakness during the generation which I can say, there isn't any. I highly doubt that the private keys were not generated randomly; he would've wanted to test out the entire generation to ensure that it's working. If it was weak, then one of the many machines running the generators for weaker keys would've cracked it already.

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https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/#comment-1376

'Great work and what an incredible finding, would love to know the answer! Do you think it’s a bit odd that he used a proprietary Base58 for the address encoding and just happens that you’re seeing the spike between values 0-57? ... I know it’s probably just coincidence but it would be amazing if there was a secret message in the LSB to explain this'

https://bitslog.com/2013/09/03/new-mystery-about-satoshi/

'The selected set of bytes (0 to 9, 19 to 58) could have been selected to map a somewhat extended alphabet into this set. This must be explored further.'

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Quote from: oldgolddigger on January 30, 2021, 10:44:48 AM

' Maybe Satoshi created the greatest prize competition and the privatekeys are somehow within the blockchain.'
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.53058144

This reminds me of the 'Ready player one' plot presented in the first book, where Haliday is the equivalent of Satoshi now. If indeed there is an encrypted treasure hidden that would be exciting Grin

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on February 01, 2021, 11:34:37 AM

Thinking that his/her/their addresses were not randomly generated is a joke IMO.

Strong Evidence Suggests a Single Entity Mined More Than 1 Million Bitcoin
https://news.bitcoin.com/strong-evidence-suggests-a-single-entity-mined-more-than-1-million-bitcoin/

The Return of the Deniers and the Revenge of Patoshi
https://bitslog.com/2019/04/16/the-return-of-the-deniers-and-the-revenge-of-patoshi/

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