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Quote from: borovichok on September 21, 2023, 04:42:57 PM

Quote from: Jossque on September 21, 2023, 03:10:48 PM

Al Hilal drew 1-1 against their opponents Damak.I expected Al Hilal to win this game by a point but Al Hilal didn't play well in this away game.Damak is not a tough opponent for them but they have scored in every game except their first game.They scored in this game and cost Al Hilal 2 points.
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Al Hilal's performance in the game dipped slightly, with the frontline missing golden goal scoring opportunities, an impediment for them. Al Hilal were not anticipated to draw points against common clubs, but rather to defeat them with ferocious energy. Al Hilal received a draw point, which is a disappointing outcome for them because they were placed first in the SPL standings but have now dropped to second as a result of this game result. Damac, on the other hand, did not back down and gave the visitors a solid battle on the pitch, they were able to do this with aided defensive strategy mapped out by the coach.

Unbelievable, statistically Damac FC was able to hold the draw Al Hilal, they are even better rather than Al Hilal, having 14 shot attempts while Al Hilal only 12. How could that happen? On Al Hilal their are many of the best players of their time and surely they had a lot of experience, Al Hilal should can dominated that match but what happened, Damac succeeded in becoming a tough opponent for them. Got one point is not only disappointing but that's a bad result for Al Hilal.

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Quote from: marcous on September 21, 2023, 11:35:55 AM

In some examples of players, it is actually very easy for them to get a new club in Europe. But yes, back to the main issue, the salary given is less.

It's true that it's a fact that's hard to deny, money is the biggest motivation for former European star players to move there. Calculating retirement funds and trying new challenges for the remainder of his professional career, I think there is no problem with that. Basically, the move is equally profitable from a business perspective, the large expenses for providing players salaries will be covered by the income that will be obtained by the club that recruits them. I think clubs in Europe also apply the same policy in recruiting players, but prioritize young players because the league there is already competitive.

A solid foundation is not built in a hurry therefore I think it's too early to compare the Saudi pro league to the European league, because the European league has been there for decades even before Arabians pick Interest in developing their football but the SPL on the other hand is on a gradual process and with the help of top European players that switched over to the league has improved it to a better standard.

The thing's majority of these European players are there to make money while getting more playing time as well as a retirement plan for older players which is very beneficial for both club and players especially if he was top class during his prime like Cr7, Neymar, Mane, etc. An d if you noticed most clubs that recruited more European players are the ones performing better than others.

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Quote from: borovichok on September 21, 2023, 04:42:57 PM

Quote from: Jossque on September 21, 2023, 03:10:48 PM

Al Hilal drew 1-1 against their opponents Damak.I expected Al Hilal to win this game by a point but Al Hilal didn't play well in this away game.Damak is not a tough opponent for them but they have scored in every game except their first game.They scored in this game and cost Al Hilal 2 points.
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Al Hilal's performance in the game dipped slightly, with the frontline missing golden goal scoring opportunities, an impediment for them. Al Hilal were not anticipated to draw points against common clubs, but rather to defeat them with ferocious energy. Al Hilal received a draw point, which is a disappointing outcome for them because they were placed first in the SPL standings but have now dropped to second as a result of this game result. Damac, on the other hand, did not back down and gave the visitors a solid battle on the pitch, they were able to do this with aided defensive strategy mapped out by the coach.

With all the quality players at Al Hilal, I wasn't expecting to struggle against clubs like Damac but unfortunately for them today they couldn't take all three points from the Saudi Pro League game they played against Damac today.
Despite having Aleksander Mitrovic, Neymar and Malcolm in their front line today, Al Hilal were forced to a scored draw thereby dropping two points as a result of which I think might affect them in their Saudi Pro League title chase.

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Quote from: Jossque on September 21, 2023, 03:10:48 PM

Al Hilal drew 1-1 against their opponents Damak.I expected Al Hilal to win this game by a point but Al Hilal didn't play well in this away game.Damak is not a tough opponent for them but they have scored in every game except their first game.They scored in this game and cost Al Hilal 2 points.
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Al Hilal's performance in the game dipped slightly, with the frontline missing golden goal scoring opportunities, an impediment for them. Al Hilal were not anticipated to draw points against common clubs, but rather to defeat them with ferocious energy. Al Hilal received a draw point, which is a disappointing outcome for them because they were placed first in the SPL standings but have now dropped to second as a result of this game result. Damac, on the other hand, did not back down and gave the visitors a solid battle on the pitch, they were able to do this with aided defensive strategy mapped out by the coach.

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 21, 2023, 11:19:01 AM

If you look at the quality of SPL I am still quite sure if they are still below European level. European players who come are interested not because of the competition, but indeed the money offered is quite large. This makes European players who enter retirement age and even those who have not gone to the SPL. Like Firmino, Mane they have struggled to find a team in Europe. Even they were banished from the club. But at the moment they are able to compete and perform quite well in the SPL.

Every player has a team that he could perform good in it and many others where he fails to adapt, like Lukaku, Hazard, Cristiano Ronaldo, even Messi in his first year with PSG and the list is long.
Firmino and Mane are good players in Liverpool but for Mane he tried his luck in Bayern Munich and failed to adapt while Firmino didn't try to find an European club but preferred money instead.

Al-Hilal missed 2 points in today's match vs Damac, one of the two teams that failed to win a single game in Saudi Pro League and sitting near the relegation zone!
The worst part is that Al-Hilal is playing with all their top players including Neymar, Mitrovic, Malcolm, Milinkovic-Savic...
Thanks to this mistake, Al-Ittihad jumped to the first place in front of them. I am not sure if Al-Ahli can pick the second place from them since they will face Al-Nassr tomorrow.

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Quote from: Jossque on September 21, 2023, 03:10:48 PM

Al Hilal drew 1-1 against their opponents Damak.I expected Al Hilal to win this game by a point but Al Hilal didn't play well in this away game.Damak is not a tough opponent for them but they have scored in every game except their first game.They scored in this game and cost Al Hilal 2 points.
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I didn't watch this match, but it looks like the system implemented by Jorge Jesus didn't work as he planned. In this match, Jorge Jesus continued to apply his 4-2-3-1 system. However, Neymar is played as an attacking midfielder. As a result, Neymar's performance was not very good.

Well, Damac shouldn't be a difficult team for Al Hilal to beat, especially if we refer to the H2H meeting between these two teams. but unfortunately, Al Hilal was unable to maintain their superiority. In the end, the home team was able to equalize the score at 1-1. Well, IMO, I think what Jorge Jesus applied in this match did not match his expectations. He should not have rotated some of his players. in other words, Malcom remains an attacking midfielder, while Neymar continues to play on the wing. In fact, I'm sure Neymar can be rotated on the right wing. or, Salem Al-Dawsari can be played as a supersub player. So, it is clear that Jorge Jesus' calculations in this match were wrong and failed. As a result, the match did not match his expectations. In the next match, Jorge Jesus will return his players to their usual positions.

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Today Neymar played his 3rd match with Al-Hilal the results are the same without any significant contribution and what is more surprising Al-Hilal failed to get 3 points today, they only drew 1-1 against Damac, even though Damac is not a strong team, they are at the bottom of the standings lol. The battle for the title is increasingly open with 6 other clubs only 2-4 points difference from competitors.

Indeed. Neymar still can't show his quality as a superstar player. He even made Al Hilal attacking looks worse than previously. I'm not sure what's happening with him, but he looks playing without a good motivation as he ever showed in PSG or in Barcelona. Neymar must think seriously to improve his performance, he can't continue his bad form. He is paid with huge salary in Al Hilal, everyone expects to see good quality of Neymar.

If I were the coach, I prefer to exclude Neymar from the starters. He is better to play as a substituted player, he must watch more closely how Al Hilal plays effectively. I think the best attackers of Al Hilal: Mitrovic- Malcom-Michael-Al Dawsari, while the best midfielders: Neves-Milinkovic Savic. These should be always the starters for Al Hilal. If they used these players as the starters, I'm sure they can get full points against Damac.

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In the next hour, Al-Ittihad will play their 7th match then they will take over the standings with a total of 18 points then tomorrow's big match between Al-Nassr vs Al-Ahli one of them will lose a point or only get 1 point.

Al-Ittihad won the match, they are in the 1st place now. But the point gap is only 1, it shouldn't be difficult to return to the 1st place. Moreover, there are sill many remaining matches. Anyway, it will be a difficult match for Al-Nassr vs Al-Ahli but I'm sure Al-Nassr should have a better chance to win the match. They need 3 points to return to the top 5 again.

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Whenever a team is given 1.16 to win, that never felt like a good idea to bet to me. I get that it may look good to some people because it's almost like there is a guaranteed win, but I do not think that it will be as good as people think it will be. I hope that it gets to a point where we could see them make some changes, and for that to exist we need to reach to a point where we could end up with a great result one way or another.

I hope that we could see it change a bit, and the odds get better. As long as these big name clubs in this league end up having this much advantage, the only games that worth betting on is the ones that are between each other. That is the only thing that makes sense for me to bet on.

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 21, 2023, 11:19:01 AM

If you look at the quality of SPL I am still quite sure if they are still below European level. European players who come are interested not because of the competition, but indeed the money offered is quite large. This makes European players who enter retirement age and even those who have not gone to the SPL. Like Firmino, Mane they have struggled to find a team in Europe. Even they were banished from the club. But at the moment they are able to compete and perform quite well in the SPL.

That's because most of the players who joined the Saudi League were at the end of their careers and these players couldn't have good performances mostly because of their ages.
For example, Sadio Many had an amazing performance in Liverpool and Ronaldo was a legendary and effective palyer in Real Madrid but both of are joined Al Nassr while both players were not in good form and Neymar was also injured for months, otherwise, these players would never join the Saudi teams.

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Al Hilal drew 1-1 against their opponents Damak.I expected Al Hilal to win this game by a point but Al Hilal didn't play well in this away game.Damak is not a tough opponent for them but they have scored in every game except their first game.They scored in this game and cost Al Hilal 2 points.
Al Taawon, on the other hand, put last week's defeat against Al Ahli behind them with a win today.Taawon beat their opponents Al Raed 2-1 to take their points tally to 16.
Among the matches that are currently being played, I see that Al Ittihad are leading 2-1 against their strong rival Al Fateh.If Al Ittihad win this match, they will have their 6th win.They will be leading with more than a match at the moment.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on September 21, 2023, 12:17:19 PM

Today Neymar played his 3rd match with Al-Hilal the results are the same without any significant contribution and what is more surprising Al-Hilal failed to get 3 points today, they only drew 1-1 against Damac, even though Damac is not a strong team, they are at the bottom of the standings lol. The battle for the title is increasingly open with 6 other clubs only 2-4 points difference from competitors. In the next hour, Al-Ittihad will play their 7th match then they will take over the standings with a total of 18 points then tomorrow's big match between Al-Nassr vs Al-Ahli one of them will lose a point or only get 1 point.

Everything is very simple:

Quote from: KTChampions on September 21, 2023, 11:19:41 AM

After Neymar played for the national team, he went to Spain where he was photographed in night club surrounded by girls. Despite the fact that his girlfriend (as I understand it, there was no official marriage, but he has her) is pregnant. Neymar is a piece of unprofessional crap, he doesn't care about football, it looks like he will degrade with increased speed in the Saudi League. As always, he is only interested in parties and entertainment.

For Neymar, football is definitely not a priority (and apparently never was even when he played in Europe).
In three games with obviously weaker teams where Neymar took part, Al-Hilal was able to win only one Grin

It can be assumed that in games with stronger clubs things will go even worse. I wonder if Al-Hilal will have enough strength to carry Neymar and not suffer too much in terms of results? If not, they will either have to keep him on the bench (which will be very strange considering his salary) or accept the fact that they will have -1 player on the field. I am sure that they will not be able to force Neymar to play and be disciplined.

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Al-Hilal was predicted to win the match, but the result is different. Damac have scored a goal at the 68^th minute to level the goal. Further Al-Hilal wasn't able to make any goals and the match ended in a draw. Even in this match Neymar hadn't contributed anything big. Al-Ittihad winning the match against Al Fateh will take Al-Ittihad move to the top position. Lets see what happens in the upcoming matches, because the points being changes the position of teams on the points table after every match.

Yeah it's beyond our expectations, nobody suspects that Damac can play well and can even control the attack I mean overall Damac dominates in the attack
I don't understand why Al-Hilal who is dominated by star players is only able to shots 2 on target while Damac has 4 on target, this doesn't make sense Cheesy

In the future we should be more careful in betting on the top club I feel they are playing an abnormal match, Damac vs Al-Hilal is a real example as a consideration.

Yes thats right, it's quite surprising too but maybe, if Al Hilal still wins then the statistics no longer matter. But yes, because the result was a 1-1 draw and in fact, Damac had better dominance in this match, then at least I don't think AL Hilal deserved a result like this. Because after all, Al Hilal is a top team with a star squad at its disposal, so even if the result is a draw, at least Al Hilal should be able to have better statistics. Also, about the match between Al Ittihad against Al Fateh, the fact that Al Fateh could score first. Again, as time goes by such top teams in the Saudi Pro League it seems cannot really guarantee an easy win in every match.

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Quote from: romero121 on September 21, 2023, 12:44:18 PM

Al-Hilal was predicted to win the match, but the result is different. Damac have scored a goal at the 68^th minute to level the goal. Further Al-Hilal wasn't able to make any goals and the match ended in a draw. Even in this match Neymar hadn't contributed anything big. Al-Ittihad winning the match against Al Fateh will take Al-Ittihad move to the top position. Lets see what happens in the upcoming matches, because the points being changes the position of teams on the points table after every match.

Yeah it's beyond our expectations, nobody suspects that Damac can play well and can even control the attack I mean overall Damac dominates in the attack
I don't understand why Al-Hilal who is dominated by star players is only able to shots 2 on target while Damac has 4 on target, this doesn't make sense Cheesy

In the future we should be more careful in betting on the top club I feel they are playing an abnormal match, Damac vs Al-Hilal is a real example as a consideration.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on September 21, 2023, 12:17:19 PM

Today Neymar played his 3rd match with Al-Hilal the results are the same without any significant contribution and what is more surprising Al-Hilal failed to get 3 points today, they only drew 1-1 against Damac, even though Damac is not a strong team, they are at the bottom of the standings lol. The battle for the title is increasingly open with 6 other clubs only 2-4 points difference from competitors. In the next hour, Al-Ittihad will play their 7th match then they will take over the standings with a total of 18 points then tomorrow's big match between Al-Nassr vs Al-Ahli one of them will lose a point or only get 1 point.

Al-Hilal is still topping the but the draw with fifteenth-placed Damac has made them lose a significant two points. The entire Al-Halil team underperformed and from the statistics or is glaring that Damac was able to face the league toppers. It took Ronaldo some time to start putting up quality performances. So I think Neymar needs some time to get used to the Saudi League. Even the current world's best player Benzema is still struggling to make a meaningful impact in the league.

Now Al-Halil is closely followed by Al-Taawoun and Al-Ettifaq with just one point. Al-Ittihad and Al-Ahli Saudi both have the opportunity to go to the top of the league if they win their games. Al-Ittihad will be slogging it out with seventh-placed Al Fateh, while Al-Ahli Saudi will deal with Al-Nassr FC. I think Al-Ittihad has a better chance of topping the league because they have a higher goal advantage and playing a less quality team.

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Yes, it's true, Neymar is not fully fit. This can be seen in the two matches played, he has not fully given his best for Al Hilal, he has not been fully able to adapt. In these two matches, Neymar lacked stamina and energy, he made many loose ball mistakes, but sometimes he had good key passes to create opportunities. Al Hilal must give him many opportunities to prove himself, they must also utilize Neymar's abilities in every match so that they can compete to win the ACL and SPL trophies this season.

Today Neymar played his 3rd match with Al-Hilal the results are the same without any significant contribution and what is more surprising Al-Hilal failed to get 3 points today, they only drew 1-1 against Damac, even though Damac is not a strong team, they are at the bottom of the standings lol. The battle for the title is increasingly open with 6 other clubs only 2-4 points difference from competitors. In the next hour, Al-Ittihad will play their 7th match then they will take over the standings with a total of 18 points then tomorrow's big match between Al-Nassr vs Al-Ahli one of them will lose a point or only get 1 point.

Al-Hilal was predicted to win the match, but the result is different. Damac have scored a goal at the 68^th minute to level the goal. Further Al-Hilal wasn't able to make any goals and the match ended in a draw. Even in this match Neymar hadn't contributed anything big. Al-Ittihad winning the match against Al Fateh will take Al-Ittihad move to the top position. Lets see what happens in the upcoming matches, because the points being changes the position of teams on the points table after every match.

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Quote from: ndutndut on September 21, 2023, 11:45:04 AM

Yes, it's true, Neymar is not fully fit. This can be seen in the two matches played, he has not fully given his best for Al Hilal, he has not been fully able to adapt. In these two matches, Neymar lacked stamina and energy, he made many loose ball mistakes, but sometimes he had good key passes to create opportunities. Al Hilal must give him many opportunities to prove himself, they must also utilize Neymar's abilities in every match so that they can compete to win the ACL and SPL trophies this season.

Today Neymar played his 3rd match with Al-Hilal the results are the same without any significant contribution and what is more surprising Al-Hilal failed to get 3 points today, they only drew 1-1 against Damac, even though Damac is not a strong team, they are at the bottom of the standings lol. The battle for the title is increasingly open with 6 other clubs only 2-4 points difference from competitors. In the next hour, Al-Ittihad will play their 7th match then they will take over the standings with a total of 18 points then tomorrow's big match between Al-Nassr vs Al-Ahli one of them will lose a point or only get 1 point.

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Quote from: marcous on September 21, 2023, 11:35:55 AM

In some examples of players, it is actually very easy for them to get a new club in Europe. But yes, back to the main issue, the salary given is less.

A large salary is the main factor in players being willing to leave a career in Europe, although this cannot be stated clearly with visible evidence.

Quote from: marcous on September 21, 2023, 11:35:55 AM

It's true that it's a fact that's hard to deny, money is the biggest motivation for former European star players to move there. Calculating retirement funds and trying new challenges for the remainder of his professional career, I think there is no problem with that. Basically, the move is equally profitable from a business perspective, the large expenses for providing players salaries will be covered by the income that will be obtained by the club that recruits them. I think clubs in Europe also apply the same policy in recruiting players, but prioritize young players because the league there is already competitive.

Players who are 32 years old and over, moving to the SPL is a natural thing. They just want to enjoy the rest of their career with adequate income or even more. Or another reason is that they want to enjoy the remainder of their professional career by staying away from media coverage and wanting to focus on their family.

For me, the move of players under 30 years of age to the SFL is a phenomenon, although it has happened before but not like now.
Because of their career, it is impossible for them to move and leave a club that is strengthened in Europe because of that, but because of money. Another factor is that they may realize that their efforts to achieve success as professional footballers will never be realized as long as there are two players, namely Ronaldo and Messi, who are still active on the field.

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Neymar has recovered from injury and he has given no signs that he is not fit. It's just that Neymar hasn't been able to make much of a contribution to Al Hilal and it could be that he needs time to adapt his game to his new team.
It is indeed very surprising to see Al Hilal in the Asian Champions League competition because Al Hilal was held to a draw by a weak team which made Al Hilal fail to get full points in that match.

However, in the SPL Al Hilal still has a better path than Al Nassr because Al Hilal so far have never tasted failure in the 6 matches they have played. I saw that some Al Hilal fans were quite disappointed with the results achieved by Al Hilal against Navbahor. Because the fans wanted to see Neymar's best action in that match but he failed to do so.

Well that's what I mean what Neymar was doing with Brazil was not the same as what he did with Al-Hilal of course this is a question to us does it really need adaptation or he deliberately did it, Neymar has played 2 matches with Al-Hilal he didn't score a single goal but yeah will be fair enough to give him time in 3-4 more matches.Today Al-Hilal will play the Saudi Pro League match and let's see what is going to do, will Neymar prove something today?

Neymar needs some time to get in shape. We would be doing an injustice if we expected it to work wonders without giving it time. Regardless of who loves or dislikes Neymar, let's be fair, he was not given enough chances. It will take time for him to get better.

Agree, so far it looks like Neymar is not fully fit from the injury he suffered previously. If you look at the last two matches with Al Hilal, he hasn't given his best because for a superstar like Neymar, these two matches should have resulted in scoring goals. Moreover, in the last match against Navbahor in the ACL cup they achieved a draw. This becomes more of a task for Neymar to prove his abilities for the team.

In his last two matches with Al Hilal, Neymar seemed to lack stamina and energy, he made a lot of mistakes and lost a lot of balls, but sometimes he made good important passes to create opportunities for the team. Al Hilal must give him many opportunities to prove his abilities, they must also utilize Neymar's abilities in every match so they can compete for the ACL and SPL trophies this season.

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Quote from: AakZaki on September 21, 2023, 11:19:01 AM

If you look at the quality of SPL I am still quite sure if they are still below European level. European players who come are interested not because of the competition, but indeed the money offered is quite large. This makes European players who enter retirement age and even those who have not gone to the SPL. Like Firmino, Mane they have struggled to find a team in Europe. Even they were banished from the club. But at the moment they are able to compete and perform quite well in the SPL.

In some examples of players, it is actually very easy for them to get a new club in Europe. But yes, back to the main issue, the salary given is less.

It's true that it's a fact that's hard to deny, money is the biggest motivation for former European star players to move there. Calculating retirement funds and trying new challenges for the remainder of his professional career, I think there is no problem with that. Basically, the move is equally profitable from a business perspective, the large expenses for providing players salaries will be covered by the income that will be obtained by the club that recruits them. I think clubs in Europe also apply the same policy in recruiting players, but prioritize young players because the league there is already competitive.

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Quote from: Google+ on September 20, 2023, 08:16:24 PM

Neymar has played two matches with Al Hilal. Where he still hasn't shown his quality as a goal-hungry striker because in those two matches Neymar was only able to provide 1 assist. I think fans are exaggerating if they immediately expect Neymar to score lots of goals for them in his debut match. Of course he needs time to adapt his playing style to that of his teammates. Moreover, his teammates are not yet able to read the direction of Neymar's movements, so it will be difficult for Neymar in his debut match with Al Hilal.

However, with the quality he has, I am sure Neymar will be able to make a lot of contributions to Al Hilal's front line this season. So far, the top European players who have joined the Saudi Arabian league team have needed time to adapt because everything seems to have changed 100 percent for them in their style of play or in the tactics used by their coaches.

After Neymar played for the national team, he went to Spain where he was photographed in night club surrounded by girls. Despite the fact that his girlfriend (as I understand it, there was no official marriage, but he has her) is pregnant. Neymar is a piece of unprofessional crap, he doesn't care about football, it looks like he will degrade with increased speed in the Saudi League. As always, he is only interested in parties and entertainment.

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