Topic: Scam accusation - User: RoughLyfe - page 4. (Read 2494 times)
And I did initially post that it wasn't black hat as I didn't think it was black hat.I already admitted that that was my bad and I apologize for that,And thats why you can expand on the ebook.Just limit your self to $150 a day.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct?
his post (reference, you can read it up before he edited i QUoted it) where he said "This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience"
the way i see it, you were scammed. selling a method that involves fraud and blackhat methods is one thing, false advertising that this method involves no fraud or blackhat related methods is another. id say you were lied to as a customer in this case.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
1 month is not enough to find out a criminal behavior that just got started, what will happen when they say, hey but this user has too many referrals he might be botting, lets try to get a refund from paypal and then paypal will start a claim. This does not even change the fact that you sold me something that You clearly stated was NOT a blackhat or exploiting a vulnerability.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct?
his post (reference, you can read it up before he edited i QUoted it) where he said "This does not involve e-whoring,hard work,PPD,PTC,PTP,Black Hat,CPA.It does however require time and patience"
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
you were initially told that it doesnt involve anything black hat or fraud related, correct?
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
it doesnt change the fact that you sold me something that may get my payza/paypal accounts tagged, I dont want to risk my daily business accounts for just a quick buck, I have not stated that it does not work, I have stated that IT involves doing things that involves being dishonest and might get someone in trouble.
And like I said I put "(The) TOS can change at any time." so if anyone finds out a way to dupe me for exploit me I can change the TOS
The method does work,if think it doesn't don't buy.I have the tos that it can change at anytime so If anyone thinks of a new way to scam or exploit me I add something for it in my TOS.My conditions are valid proof,proof of at least 1 payment as in a week time you can get at least 1 payment, I can deny refund if they don't meet me conditions.Theres not that many ebooks sold here so of course you wouldn't know what a good TOS looks like,go on HF or MPGH or even leak forums and you'll see that this is a common TOS.It isnt scamming,the moment you bought it you agreed to my TOS,you requested a refund right after you READ the ebook.I doubt you tried it,and if you want I can give you the bot for it so you can earn auto pilot
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
i read through the other thread in this section and it seems that it said somewhere that the method involved no blackhat methods of any sort, when clearly it did according to op. in this case id say that might be false advertising(?) or something close.
Yes. 2 major red flags:
"(The) TOS can change at any time."
"Then I was wrong about this not being a Black Hat."
So you duped a customer with false promises. Nothing new here, but yes, you most certainly are the scammer. You should probably leave this forum for good.
"(The) TOS can change at any time."
"Then I was wrong about this not being a Black Hat."
So you duped a customer with false promises. Nothing new here, but yes, you most certainly are the scammer. You should probably leave this forum for good.
this sums it up quite nicely actually.
RoughLyfe's TOS is a joke, you can't just write whatever you want as TOS:
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
I should have known better, I just though that I could give a chance to this guy.. but as people say "if its too good to be true..."
RoughLyfe's TOS is a joke, you can't just write whatever you want as TOS:
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
"This TOS can change at anytime": You need to have versions or some track so it's know which version of your TOS was current when the purchase was made. If you update your TOS of course previous customers won't automatically be subjected to it.
"...under conditions I see fit": You need to establish the conditions you see fit, otherwise this phrase doesn't apply. You can't just make up what you see fit later depending on your own convenience.
"I can deny any refunds/purchase": Of course you can deny to sell your ebook to anyone, but you can't "deny any refund" after the purchase was made, it just doesn't work like that. You need to clearly establish the conditions that prevents the refund from happening.
Because of the way RoughLyfe's thread suggest money can be easily obtained it's quite clear it's nothing legal and honest. I'm not sure whether it being "black hat" is a condition for a refund. I'm pretty sure Reynaldo should have guessed it was so before buying, but that's arguable.
However because of the fact RoughLyfe is selling a not-so-legal method (to say the least) and because of the absurd TOS he tries to impose I really think nobody should deal with him, he absolutely doesn't seem trustworthy at all. Besides using his method would imply being dishonest.
Will you just read the TOS
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
So when you bought it you agreed to it,if you didn't know that you agreed to it then you should have read the thread
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
Since your asking for a refund there is a high chance your trying to boost your reputation on leak or hack forums.
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
You didn't read this at all,A refund will only be give if you didn't make your money back in a WEEK, not a minute.It has to be under conditions I deem fit.It hasn't been a week and I doubt you tried it
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Im considering denying your refund because you didn't read my TOS
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
So when you bought it you agreed to it,if you didn't know that you agreed to it then you should have read the thread
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
Since your asking for a refund there is a high chance your trying to boost your reputation on leak or hack forums.
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
You didn't read this at all,A refund will only be give if you didn't make your money back in a WEEK, not a minute.It has to be under conditions I deem fit.It hasn't been a week and I doubt you tried it
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Im considering denying your refund because you didn't read my TOS
It does work,you just never tried it.I admit that I didn't think it was black hat so thats a fault on my side.So now I know thats its black hat.I fixed the post so people know that it is,happy?And by buying the ebook you agreed to the following
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
I'm not a scammer or a liar, I wont sell or leak your method, that would be the "justice" part but I dont think that it should work that way, so this is why I'm opening this post to see if you give me my money back and we can leave this behind, else the community shall decide who's right and If I dont deserve my refund.
It does work,you just never tried it.I admit that I didn't think it was black hat so thats a fault on my side.So now I know thats its black hat.I fixed the post so people know that it is,happy?And by buying the ebook you agreed to the following
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
In the TOS I specifically put A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.You bought it,read it and you requested a refund.I don't know if you will just leak it after this.
Again, read the damn tos.It reads
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
You said it would work so there's no gambling since I took your word for it. You sold me something that you said you were not selling. Clearly, you state that you're selling a method that its not a black-hat and then say admit that it looks like a blackhat, therefor you sold me something different from what you posted and that's defrauding.
Again, read the damn tos.It reads
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
TOS
By Purchasing/contacting about this ebook you agree to my TOS
This TOS can change at anytime
You will not leak or distribute the ebook
A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
A chargeback will lead in a scam report
I can deny any refunds/purchase
Please don't contact me for a vouch copy
I can deny any refunds/purchase and A refund will be given if you don't make your money back in a week under conditions I see fit.
And here is a link to pictures of the conversation
http://imgur.com/9fX8xPy,05gYSnL,zCScCRJ,jynS6Wo,4INenAi,TO99HpZ,gODWeoj,ZSf96fz
I admit I didn't think it was blackhat so that was my fault,ebooks are considered a gamble,so it was a risk just buying the ebook since you didn't know if it would work.
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