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sr. member
Activity: 868
Merit: 278
October 30, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
#26
You are looking at the trust list from months ago. You can see the timestamp in your URL: March 16th.

Find the most recent trust list by clicking the highest number in the "History" header on the page, which will take you to this link: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/550439.html

vlom was included by JollyGood, who is DT1, which would make him DT2 except that he also has 4 DT1 exclusions, giving him a net of -3 according at the time of that trust dump.

If you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt which updates live, he actually has a net of -4, and if you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt, you can see that JollyGood has removed his inclusion.

So no, he is not DT2.

Thank you for that info. I do not know if I shell tag him or not ? Because I have some doubts about screenshots. Why would a legendary and DT member do so obvious extortion attempt ? Any advise from DT members ?
hero member
Activity: 2464
Merit: 519
October 30, 2019, 08:56:59 AM
#25
vlom asked me money to remove a scam accusations this is the evidence https://imgur.com/a/h157fo7

Please report the PMs - particularly where he asks for money specifically to remove feedback - to one of the admins. Hopefully they can verify this.

This. Without verification from an admin the screenshot is useless. PMs can easily be manipulated.
Thats my thought, I want to believe the messages can be retrieved even when deleted. I dont think all cases should be dealt with a ban, there should be a way to prosecute without eliminating while monitoring such individuals, he can open a new account again with new victims.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 18748
October 30, 2019, 08:42:12 AM
#24
You are looking at the trust list from months ago. You can see the timestamp in your URL: March 16th.

Find the most recent trust list by clicking the highest number in the "History" header on the page, which will take you to this link: http://loyce.club/trust/2019-10-26_Sat_10.16h/550439.html

vlom was included by JollyGood, who is DT1, which would make him DT2 except that he also has 4 DT1 exclusions, giving him a net of -3 according at the time of that trust dump.

If you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dt which updates live, he actually has a net of -4, and if you look at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;full;dt, you can see that JollyGood has removed his inclusion.

So no, he is not DT2.
sr. member
Activity: 868
Merit: 278
October 30, 2019, 06:56:37 AM
#23
vlom was in DT2 at the start of this thread.

Is he still DT2? That kind of people should be removed from DT2 and banned !!!! Someone from DT1 list have him on his trust list, but I could not figure out who ?

 http://loyce.club/trust/2019-03-16_Sat_05.38h/550439.html
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 533
October 29, 2019, 05:15:36 PM
#22
LOL what is going on today? Looks like members are into making money from feedback system :-P

It's really hard to believe however screenshot is not enough.
I don't know man, but senior members really need to do shit like this--and I agree with your second statement that the screenshot isn't sufficient proof of anything.  Still, I've got a bad feeling about this and that other thread.

I've gotten plenty of PMs from members I've negged asking me how much it would take for me to remove feedback, so I know other members have probably gotten similar offers.  While it might be tempting to some, it's a stupid-ass thing to do 1) morally, and 2) because you get things like this thread, where apparently after the request was made the other member blows the whistle.  Ethics aside, if you care one whit about your reputation on this forum you'd be crazy to try to extort someone via PM.

I'd be interested to hear what vlom has to say.  Has anyone PM'ed him about this?

A piece of advice for everyone is that they can make money by this extortion activity one time only and that's it. All the reputation and status which they have gained over the years is ruined because the person can expose the PM anytime to anyone. Greediness is the only reason for this act or you can call it misuse of the authority.

Maybe we see more of these things (Real + Fake) in coming days in an attempt to destroy the reputation for revenge.

totally agreed with you it s hard to build a trust feedback it take a years and with this stupid think people can loose it in few minutes but i think vlom understand what he did it s bad
hero member
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October 24, 2019, 11:24:04 AM
#21
LOL what is going on today? Looks like members are into making money from feedback system :-P

It's really hard to believe however screenshot is not enough.
I don't know man, but senior members really need to do shit like this--and I agree with your second statement that the screenshot isn't sufficient proof of anything.  Still, I've got a bad feeling about this and that other thread.

I've gotten plenty of PMs from members I've negged asking me how much it would take for me to remove feedback, so I know other members have probably gotten similar offers.  While it might be tempting to some, it's a stupid-ass thing to do 1) morally, and 2) because you get things like this thread, where apparently after the request was made the other member blows the whistle.  Ethics aside, if you care one whit about your reputation on this forum you'd be crazy to try to extort someone via PM.

I'd be interested to hear what vlom has to say.  Has anyone PM'ed him about this?

A piece of advice for everyone is that they can make money by this extortion activity one time only and that's it. All the reputation and status which they have gained over the years is ruined because the person can expose the PM anytime to anyone. Greediness is the only reason for this act or you can call it misuse of the authority.

Maybe we see more of these things (Real + Fake) in coming days in an attempt to destroy the reputation for revenge.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
October 23, 2019, 04:30:35 PM
#20
First you asked them 5btc then you asked them 2.5btc then you asked them how much they want to pay you for -ve removal. Trying to prove that OP is a scammer but you showed yourself as a criminal to everyone else, good job.
That this topic here exists shows me that I did the right thing. Now more people know that you should not deal with nemgun again.
May I ask you why?

hehe, now you are posting in PMs private messages.
thats all anybody has to know about you.  Kiss and good luck you scammer!

i would have reported nemgun if he had paid me something. believe me or not.
So what makes difference between you two then? You are basically saying that you don't approve nemgun's action but you would have done the same thing.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 533
October 23, 2019, 03:29:58 PM
#19

So you're genuinely arguing that you did the right thing by trying to extort someone to pay you money in return for removing negative feedback on them? Irrelevant of whether they're untrustworthy or not, that just shows that you have weak morals and your trust ratings are completely compromised. You'll definitely be getting negated on my trust list.

i would have reported nemgun if he had paid me something. believe me or not.
thats all I can say.


for my side i forgive you it will be a good lesson for you don t insulte people when they talk with you and don t use your power to put people in bad situations ,even if it s true what you are saying about reported me if i gave 2 btc it s not the good way to do it scammers never cars about reputation i never see a scammers care about his reputation just because people lose money in nvo i am fighting everyday to improve my self and deliver my promises
legendary
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October 23, 2019, 03:23:20 PM
#18
Maybe providing the whole conversation as well as a mod verifying the messages will be enough to get to the whole story for the rest of the members to know what really happened, because from what I see it looks like you are having a negotiation with vlom on what price you have to pay in order for him to remove the negative feedback. Why are you even taking this negative feedback seriously? vlom isn't a DT member so his tag is counted as a untrusted feedback towards you, this won't really damage your reputation. In my opinion on matters like this you are just making the whole situation big and  you are just letting everyone know you have a negative feedback from him which I'm not even aware of in the first place.

vlom was in DT2 at the start of this thread.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1117
October 23, 2019, 03:20:03 PM
#17

So you're genuinely arguing that you did the right thing by trying to extort someone to pay you money in return for removing negative feedback on them? Irrelevant of whether they're untrustworthy or not, that just shows that you have weak morals and your trust ratings are completely compromised. You'll definitely be getting negated on my trust list.

i would have reported nemgun if he had paid me something. believe me or not.
thats all I can say.

hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 533
October 23, 2019, 03:17:21 PM
#16

ok vlom you amaze me everyday if you don t care about red flag just because you won’t earn money from btct if you are a member of the community and you respect other member you have to care about ethics it s the most important if decided to continue the nvo project after the disaster it s all about ethics because people loosed a lot

i care about "ethics" thats why i care about what you have done and will do in the future.
you dont tell the truth and you know it.

thats all i have to say to you and i wont repeat it again - as i did before. bye bye

edit: one last thing.
Minexpay (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-minexpay-crypto-debit-card-by-minexpaycom-minexcoin-5046331) had something like this (https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/505974?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D250953#teenuse_pakkumise_kohad_ja_teenuse_pakkumise_eest_vastutavad_isikud) too.

man as i know i was one of the co founder of nvo when ton decided to break our agreements just to keep the rest of the money i pushed for the refund ton decided to suggest a partial refund he stole the client and claim that he can build a dex today he is saying he cant because of pos eth it s not secure it s look like rat4 from is stupid when he build this amazing solution with blackcoin
and i suggested the full refund even if i wasted my own fund but the good think to do it s the full refund for my perception we make a vote i loose the vote the escrow lauda balzed minerjones coinpayments submitted the partial refund and for my side i was not convinced and i decided to continue and process an airdrop when i will resolve the problems of the company and the rest where you see me i am a scammer in this history take some evidence ton hired a dev and he also asked me to agreed with a partial refund https://imgur.com/a/oUpZl3y
and for your example i already opened a scam accustion with evidence contract and many think https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194276.new#new
and just take a look of my account i am older than you in bitcointalk how you can think i will pay for a neg trust i don t know how much i am stupid for you and how much you are smart from your side i can understand if people doesn’t like me because i am arrogant some time but i always do my job and my promises
legendary
Activity: 1134
Merit: 1118
October 23, 2019, 03:07:57 PM
#15
hello everybody.
yes is sent these messages.

two things you have to know:

#1: I did not invest 5 BTC in this ICO.
#2: I just wanted to check what the NVO-scammer will do.


I dont care if you believe or not. I decided to do it because OP is a scammer.

Paint me in red if you want. i dont care because i never did a deal here and dont wear a paid signature.

EDIT:
That this topic here exists shows me that I did the right thing. Now more people know that you should not deal with nemgun again.
ANN of OP: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52632437


So you're genuinely arguing that you did the right thing by trying to extort someone to pay you money in return for removing negative feedback on them? Irrelevant of whether they're untrustworthy or not, that just shows that you have weak morals and your trust ratings are completely compromised. You'll definitely be getting negated on my trust list.
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1117
October 23, 2019, 02:54:32 PM
#14

ok vlom you amaze me everyday if you don t care about red flag just because you won’t earn money from btct if you are a member of the community and you respect other member you have to care about ethics it s the most important if decided to continue the nvo project after the disaster it s all about ethics because people loosed a lot

i care about "ethics" thats why i care about what you have done and will do in the future.
you dont tell the truth and you know it.

thats all i have to say to you and i wont repeat it again - as i did before. bye bye

edit: one last thing.
Minexpay (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/scam-minexpay-crypto-debit-card-by-minexpaycom-minexcoin-5046331) had something like this (https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/505974?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D250953#teenuse_pakkumise_kohad_ja_teenuse_pakkumise_eest_vastutavad_isikud) too.
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 533
October 23, 2019, 02:50:50 PM
#13
hello everybody.
yes is sent these messages.

two things you have to know:

#1: I did not invest 5 BTC in this ICO.
#2: I just wanted to check what the NVO-scammer will do.


I dont care if you believe or not. I decided to do it because OP is a scammer.

Paint me in red if you want. i dont care because i never did a deal here and dont wear a paid signature.

EDIT:
That this topic here exists shows me that I did the right thing. Now more people know that you should not deal with nemgun again.
ANN of OP: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52632437


ok vlom you amaze me everyday if you don t care about red flag just because you won’t earn money from btct if you are a member of the community and you respect other member you have to care about ethics it s the most important if decided to continue the nvo project after the disaster it s all about ethics because people loosed a lot
and ok you decided to post a scam accusations because i provided an exchange as i promise and as i show you i have all the legal part to be able to provide an exchange services https://mtr.mkm.ee/taotluse_tulemus/505974?backurl=%40juriidiline_isik_show%3Fid%3D250953#teenuse_pakkumise_kohad_ja_teenuse_pakkumise_eest_vastutavad_isikud
legendary
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1117
October 23, 2019, 02:44:13 PM
#12
hello everybody.
yes is sent these messages.

two things you have to know:

#1: I did not invest 5 BTC in this ICO.
#2: I just wanted to check what the NVO-scammer will do.


I dont care if you believe or not. I decided to do it because OP is a scammer.

Paint me in red if you want. i dont care because i never did a deal here and dont wear a paid signature.

EDIT:
That this topic here exists shows me that I did the right thing. Now more people know that you should not deal with nemgun again.
ANN of OP: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52632437

hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 533
October 23, 2019, 02:13:11 PM
#11
you dont get it.
i wnated to check what you are going to do.
if you would pay somebody something to remove a feedback. if you did pay then everybody would have know that you did this.
but now everybody knows that you did not. and this does not change anything.

go and create a flag against me. or do something else. i dont care about me trust rating here.

Considering that vlom is (was) the only DT member with a neg trust on nemgun, this "somebody" excuse doesn't fly.
Agree with you and giving him PM is just a waste of time after seeing this kinda reply. His thinking about trust rating is a clear sign of his aggressive behavior and now i believe he can easily remove his feedback for any amount of money. Isn't it new way of blackmailing by using DT power? All these days we have seen merit trade and account trade but today got another one "feedback trade".
totally agreed with you when i come back to btct and isaw this new dt members i was a little bit worried we lost team ognasty vs team blazed to get some dt without experience in the forum if you take a look of the scam investigation he post he even doesn't t know about he s dt rank
hero member
Activity: 1806
Merit: 672
October 23, 2019, 02:12:57 PM
#10
Maybe providing the whole conversation as well as a mod verifying the messages will be enough to get to the whole story for the rest of the members to know what really happened, because from what I see it looks like you are having a negotiation with vlom on what price you have to pay in order for him to remove the negative feedback. Why are you even taking this negative feedback seriously? vlom isn't a DT member so his tag is counted as a untrusted feedback towards you, this won't really damage your reputation. In my opinion on matters like this you are just making the whole situation big and  you are just letting everyone know you have a negative feedback from him which I'm not even aware of in the first place.
copper member
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October 23, 2019, 02:03:02 PM
#9
you dont get it.
i wnated to check what you are going to do.
if you would pay somebody something to remove a feedback. if you did pay then everybody would have know that you did this.
but now everybody knows that you did not. and this does not change anything.

go and create a flag against me. or do something else. i dont care about me trust rating here.

Considering that vlom is (was) the only DT member with a neg trust on nemgun, this "somebody" excuse doesn't fly.
Agree with you and giving him PM is just a waste of time after seeing this kinda reply. His thinking about trust rating is a clear sign of his aggressive behavior and now i believe he can easily remove his feedback for any amount of money. Isn't it new way of blackmailing by using DT power? All these days we have seen merit trade and account trade but today got another one "feedback trade".
hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 533
October 23, 2019, 01:03:39 PM
#8
I'd be interested to hear what vlom has to say.  Has anyone PM'ed him about this?

No need to PM, check the NVO thread:

you dont get it.
i wnated to check what you are going to do.
if you would pay somebody something to remove a feedback. if you did pay then everybody would have know that you did this.
but now everybody knows that you did not. and this does not change anything.

go and create a flag against me. or do something else. i dont care about me trust rating here.

Considering that vlom is (was) the only DT member with a neg trust on nemgun, this "somebody" excuse doesn't fly.
i asked cyrus to verify my pm hopefully i never get a private discussions with a beautiful girl in btct lol
legendary
Activity: 3654
Merit: 8909
https://bpip.org
October 23, 2019, 11:59:30 AM
#7
I'd be interested to hear what vlom has to say.  Has anyone PM'ed him about this?

No need to PM, check the NVO thread:

you dont get it.
i wnated to check what you are going to do.
if you would pay somebody something to remove a feedback. if you did pay then everybody would have know that you did this.
but now everybody knows that you did not. and this does not change anything.

go and create a flag against me. or do something else. i dont care about me trust rating here.

Considering that vlom is (was) the only DT member with a neg trust on nemgun, this "somebody" excuse doesn't fly.
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