Topic: SCAM: Tao 2 by Bryce Weiner is an un-attributed clone of TomoChain (Read 627 times)

I thought I should address ACGCrypto's last comment, but have cut out all the pointless shit talking.


There's tons of evidence. It's been presented in various forms for over 5 years now. Let's start with this as it is directly related to Tao:




Here we have Hakim Draper, who despite leaving the project over a year and a half ago is still referenced on the Tao website as a "project founder," directly acknowledging having been ripped off by Bryce Weiner. Seems like Bryce could have edited his documents to reflect Draper's departure at some point since September 2019, that is, if he wasn't still using his name and connections to shill Tao.
 
Not to mention the various problems people have been having with Bryce's alt.market exchange:





No, its not. Crediting the source would have been mentioning TomoChain anywhere in the documentation. He purposely removed all references to "TomoChain" and replaced them with "Tao." If he wanted to be honest from the get-go he would have just done a proper fork of TomoChain instead of just copy/pasting it into his own repository. Only after he got caught did he make a few changes.


1. Again, he simply replaced the word "TomoChain" with "Tao", and changed a few others words. He obviously is trying to pass it off as his own work. If he wasn't, he would have come up with his own project description for his own project.

2. It is NOT "entirely unique." It is 90% plagiarized! Take a closer look:





This (along with copy/pasting a project's source code) represents the most severe form of laziness that a crypto "dev" could possibly possess! Take a look around at the other projects being labeled as scams in this section of the forum. This type of plagiarism is grounds for a negative trust and scam accusation 90%+ of the time!

3. It didn't "praise Tomochain" at the time. He's since updated it after getting caught in his plagiarism. Here is an archived version of the file if anybody has any doubts. Even the new version still has plagiarized bits from the original.


If you look at ACGCrypto's post history, pretty much the only thing he's ever done on the forum is promote Tao, which has done nothing but fall in value over the course of the last 2-3 years. At least 90% of the updates he posted about Bryce's promises have never materialized. That's what Bryce Weiner does: over-promises and under-delivers.

It is apparent that Bryce (and Tao bagholders) are gearing up for one final pump before abandoning this project completely. This is why I am putting a warning flag on ACGCrypto for the same reason as there are flags on taoron and bryceweiner. He's been shamelessly encouraging people to buy what is essentially a long-time scammer's garbage, and people need to be aware of his duplicity.

I would be happy to leave this thread open, but the fact is I have been receiving death threats from people attempting to act on information being posted by sockpuppets in this thread. Their posts are always deleted by a moderator, but I can't leave the thread open because of this evil coward. It is truly a new low for Bryce (which is hard to achieve) and after these actions I don't understand why anybody would consider investing in Tao for one second.

I will continue with my plan to re-launch the thread as a self-moderated one in order to give ACGCrypto a fair chance to respond. In it I will also provide more evidence as to why Tao is a scam and Bryce Weiner is untrustworthy. Stay tuned.

I have just checked the last page, and most of your commits are individual and trivial 1 line changes i.e. SPAM commits. Quantity has nothing to do with quality. This project is a scam and it will remain tagged as such.

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nutildah time create a flag against ACGCrypto and add it to OP. I will support it.

Yes it does, you nitwit.

Of course, I have to spell it out for you. Of course. 

It's very simple.

An accusation by itself does not constitute evidence of a scam.

There is no evidence of a scam, or I would not be posting about it on the site.

The Tao thread documents that I have been perfectly open to listening to a strong, well-reasoned and evidenced argument from you over the multiple years you have stalked and harassed me.

Just because you create fake personas to claim something is true, it doesn't make it so. Understand?

Stop with your circular reasoning and confirmation bias.

It's fucking stupid and you're just sad.

Your entire justification for opening this thread is your mildly incoherent plagiarism argument, which is built either upon a wild disregard for honesty, or a complete lack of understanding of the very basics of cryptocurrency.

I mean, seriously. It's pathetic.

This itself not only makes you a fraud presenting yourself as a jOuRnaLISt, but too inept in the domain of crypto to have any idea what the hell is going on and be able to comment about it.

I mean seriously, you're just embarrassing yourself. Cease.


He did not. You are either a liar or a fucking incompetent.

He cloned an open source project, maintaining the entire history of commits with credit to each and every individual and project involved going all the way back to Ethereum and Vitalik.

That is crediting its source, and you would know this if you had any idea what you are talking about. But you don't.


This is false. There is no time that I am aware of where Bryce said that the descriptive text in the readme file was his own. It didn't happen.


But more importantly, the descriptive text in the readme file is in fact not the same text, it is entirely unique and specific to Tao.

And it specifically mentions and praises the Tomochain project as the source for the codebase.

That's in addition, of course, to the over 11,300 individual commits you can see with a trivial effort in the history of revisions that right there in the repository. 


How do you not know that after several years "in" crypto?

How can you be so incredibly basic?

Or was it that you actually did know this and you're just that pathetically dishonest?

Neither one is a good look, buddy.


Anyway, get your eyes checked it's right there in the repository of this as yet released, in-development piece of software which you think is plagiarized because you have no fucking clue what you're doing. 


https://github.com/taoblockchain/tao2




There's no basis to your three statements as I've established. So your comment is irrelevant.

What this does establish quite clearly to anyone reading this is that you are a stalker who has used dishonest and unethical methods to persistently harass and act aggressively towards someone who was simply posting updates about a cryptocurrency in the appropriate forum on this site.

Something which I have every right to do, and which you have no say in.

It establishes that you are the asshole.

You are the bad guy, C.

I'll say it again.

Be a better fucking person.


"We're not making an exception" 

Who the fuck do you think you are? You're fucking nobody.


You are literally a crystallization of all of the worst, least important, most toxic, and most detrimental and unwanted part of the crypto community.  You're trash.

People like you are the reason crypto has a bad reputation among normal folk.

You are an impediment to mass adoption and a useless eater.

You do nothing and add nothing but puff yourself up and act like a bully because I think deep down you know every word I'm saying is true.

So you need to fuck right off, you spoiled and uninformed little fucking child.

None of anything you just said refutes these central points:

1. Bryce Weiner has a long-time reputation in the crypto community as a scam artist.
2. He copied a project without crediting its source.
3. He plagiarized the descriptive text of a project and called it his own.

For the sake of argument, let's just assume I own every single account that has criticized Bryce Weiner in the Tao thread (that's at least a dozen, probably more): how does that debunk any of the 3 points stated above? It doesn't.

I already explained to you that this is enough to get any project on the forum tagged as a scam, and we're not making an exception for Bryce Weiner. The best chance you have of making things right is to just fuck off from this forum. It's not going to be a launchpad for yet another Weinercoin scam.

Switched accounts again, huh? You really don't have any new material, do you Stinky Sam? Boring. 

so would defrauding your dead parents and being a fugitive from your home state speak to someone's reputation?



https://kcoj.kycourts.net/kyecourts/login/guestlogin

Buddy, you and your minions and alts have been absolute constant assh*les to me for years. I have been polite, I have been patient, and you have been relentless in your attacks. Deal with the fact that you brought this on yourself. I far far far prefer to take the high road and either be kind towards people, or simply avoid them, but you refused to stop.

Assuming I can believe you re: YuTu, given your track record and demonstrable dishonest behavior in that thread and in the Tao thread, you're probably lucky it failed. If you'd raised the $3 million that I found stated on an ICO tracking website after I stumbled on the YuTu thread, you might be facing jail time for the reasons I stated previously.

1) almost all of that reputation is due to you repeating claims
2 & 3) is still incorrect as I already explained since you seem as willfully ignorant of how cloning a cryptocurrency works as you are of what constitutes a scam

Sigh. All your long-winded assault on me proved was that you are a moron. YTC was an utter failure. Any funds received were returned to the investors. Neither Bryce nor notsofast can say the same about their (many, many) failed projects. Not going to address the rest of your "concerns" as you have stooped to an idiotic low and they are irrelevant to the following facts:

1. Bryce Weiner has a long-time reputation in the crypto community as a scam artist.
2. He copied a project without crediting its source.
3. He plagiarized the descriptive text of a project and called it his own.

Those 3 things are enough to get any project here tagged as a scam. We're certainly not going to be making exceptions for Bryce "Baby I got your money" Weiner.

If you read my post it is entirely clear that I have no idea who he was, or if he even was a real person and not an additional alt of Nutildah. I've never heard of him before this nonsense.

I'm sorry for his passing. Doesn't excuse Natildah, who my post was directed at. 

Are you seriously going to drag Bruno into this when the guy's been dead for less than a week? I certainly hope that you are unaware of this fact. Otherwise, that makes you a complete asshole.
P.S. Bruno was well liked in these parts. In fact, Theymos just gave his main account VIP status. Looks like the mic drop is on you because all your post does is make most people here less likely to buy TAO2.

Man, I'm so glad you replied! I had a good laugh at you last night when you posted the first reply. I'm happy to reply to you and address your once again insubstantial allegations and petty smears.

Incorrect, you little weasel. You're projecting your own failings on me. Try to be a better person. I addressed your statement and asked you a highly relevant pair of questions which you are attempting to misdirect from in your usual shady style.


So yes, you deeply dishonest person, I did deny that using the readme file from an incomplete, in-process forking of a coin network is automatically and unambiguously an example of plagiarism, and provided an alternative explanation which you chose to ignore and misrepresent.

I didn't use the phrase "I deny it," but what I actually said, which you misrepresented of course, clearly is a denial.

Let me expand, since you're pretending not to understand and there may be readers who fall for your bullshit if they're not familiar with how creating an altcoin works.

This is a link to an old coin cloning guide that's been around for years.  You can find plenty of others with near-identical steps with a simple google search.

https://cryptocurrencytalk.com/topic/21854-how-to-clone-an-altcoin-scrypt-coin-edition-includes-largest-windows-guide-ever/

The specific steps are for cloning a scrypt coin forked directly or indirectly from Bitcoin's codebase. The instructions use cloning Litecoin as an example, but the basic steps apply to any Bitcoin-derived codebase.

I went through a lot of the process years ago to teach myself more about how cryptocurrency works but ended up getting hung up on dependency issues so never completed it. But I understand the process fairly well and the steps are broadly similar for an Ethereum-derived codebase such as Tomo.

So, as I previously mentioned, the first steps of the actual cloning process are



Oh, and just to avoid having my time wasted by you trying a weak-assed semantic argument like you attempted in your earlier post:

Hey look! You can manage a minimally charitable interpretation! Good for you! Keep it up, man.  You can become a better person when you actually try!

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Now, let’s get to YOU. It has come to my attention that you are posting on at least two accounts.  You have used those accounts, and possibly others, to stalk the Tao thread and engage in what I would describe as targeted harassment for literally years.

You have made unfounded claims and personal smears, and I asked you the following question  in my last post:



Of COURSE, you ignored the question and attempted to redirect to other topics which is exactly what you accused me of in some classic projection.

But I know for certain that you post as both Nutildah and Coinclarity. I know this from a mountain of evidence you yourself have posted here on Bitcointalk as well as on Coinclarity and elsewhere.  All of which has been archived, including a couple pieces of evidence you’ve hastily deleted to try to cover your ass such as a certain beach photo.


I will now answer the above question in your own words from all the way back in  2014:





In your own words, the above described behavior is legally and morally wrong. It is fraudulent.

Not only do I know you have engaged in this very same behavior to brigade the Tao thread, but you have done so while shilling for at least one ICO right here on Bitcointalk:

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Selected comments from the YuTu ICO pre-ann

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Here’s where you come in, first hiding behind your CoinClarity account:





And here you are with your Nutildah account, acting like you’re just discovering the thread and commenting for the first time, even though you’re already part of the team.

This is what is called a plant or a shill, as I’m sure you know.  Something “YuTü.Co.in” has said elsewhere in the thread isn’t being done. Hmmmm.

Here’s a link to an article to be clear about how I’m using the term shill in this context, to avoid ambiguity:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill


Yes, how could you find a way to involve yourself in an ICO when you’re already part of the team?


And here is where you, aka “Coinclarity” post an “article” attempting to legitimize “YuTü.Co.in” with your little blog.

This is a tactic you use over and over where you use yourself as a source to attempt to legitimize your claims

As a point of contrast, in the Tao thread I have used external sources whenever I possibly could to corroborate statements. The fact that I was able to corroborate statements I saw Bryce making early on about Tao is what convinced me to put some of my own money into it, despite the fact that I was actually highly skeptical about him back in 2016.

 


And then here you are back with your Nutildah persona, once again acting as if you aren’t involved in the project and are just “helping out”



and again as Nutildah, acting excited to invest while pretending not to be part of the project. Facetious wording aside, that seems like textbook plant or shill behavior

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Now let’s see.  If you read through the above and the full thread here

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-yutucoin-pre-ico-re-monetizing-youtubers-via-crypto-commodities-4420143
https://archive.is/kwgbf

you will find a number of interesting things.

• You will find what look suspiciously like promises of future profits, which is a serious no-no from a legal standpoint and I believe is a violation of US securities laws.
• You find at LEAST two accounts presenting themselves as two separate people which are both run by you. Are there any other accounts run by you posting in the same duplicitous way in your ICO thread? Hard to say, but wouldn't surprise me.
  I believe the act of presenting yourself as an uninvolved party when you’re a member of the group of people selling something is also illegal in some jurisdictions. Especially if it may constitute a securities offering.
  But if course this is just me expressing my belief as a layperson since I am not a lawyer or legal expert.
• You find people who have posted that they were ripped off and that it was a scam.
• There is no way to trade the token that I can see.
• The website no longer works.
• There was a business set up to give the semblance of legitimacy to the ICO, but it has been dissolved by the government because you apparently never paid your taxes  

So by your own expressed standards the YuTu ICO which you were part of is unambiguously a scam.

It may also constitute legal fraud.

Again, the above is just my belief and not a legal opinion, but there is no doubt at all to any clear eyed observer that you are a hypocrite and a fraud by your own stated standards.

If you have the slightest integrity, you will immediately publicly withdraw your lies and remove the negative comments from my profile, Bryce's, and anyone else you libeled.

Be a better person. Start today.

Your move, buddy.

Who cares about the README file
you created this thread to send visitors to your blog and make money, you got caught deleting posts to cover up, pictures already shared on slack, what excuse you will say? it was your cat using your laptop? or you will say you are bipolar?
you malicious and cannot deny it, accuse others to make money is very low.
and why continue to go deep into the mud?
is because you different from others?
that is why you eat burger while all others eat fried chicken?
please explain

Again, another attempt at misdirecting away from Bryce getting caught plagiarizing a project to launch yet another scam.

I have provided concrete proof of Bryce's plagiarism. Not you, not ACGCrypto, and not even he has denied it. Knowing his long-time penchant for running scams, he is no doubt preparing to launch another one under the guise of "Tao 2.0"

"Many here know how Github and how cloning a coin works, the coin was forked from another open source coin, and what?"

And many more don't know how it works. There are ways of performing a GitHub fork to properly accredit the source code. Bryce avoided doing that, hoping nobody would notice, instead telling his Slack followers about all the "hard work" he was doing.

If this issue didn't matter so much, you wouldn't be here, pathetically attempting to dox me. How does knowing my real life identity in any way change the fact that Bryce is a scammer and notsofast is a scam supporter? It doesn't.

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Speaking of notsofast, who apparently has been a "lowkey supporter of Tao" (as someone put it) (and now high-key supporter), let's delve into his track record for a minute. Wonder why he deleted this tweet, which said this:


notsofast did chime in with his opinion of what happened after being asked for it on twitter:



This statement by the Taylor team received a few responses with an underlying theme behind them:







Taylor's last development update was made in March 2019, the reception of which was summarized in one particularly succinct comment:



So, even with such a terrible track record of getting caught up in scam after scam, its quite possible that notsofast is just a hapless investor/advisor with extremely poor judgment when it comes to picking projects. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and assume this is the case: is there any reason why anybody should be following him or participating in projects he puts his name to, or even just casually mentions? I would say "no." But that's just me. Good thing he puts this disclaimer on his twitter profile:



Guess that means he doesn't think you should take him seriously either.

Can you explain why you are creating this accusations against Bryce, Tao and many other users and projects and then write an article on your blog and post a link of your blog https://coinclarity.com/spotting-a-scamcoin-number-1/ to click bait and gain visitors and because of that gain some money on advertising to make a cheap life in the Philippines?
Many here know how Github and how cloning a coin works, the coin was forked from another open source coin, and what? not everything is a copy of another thing but improved?
You are confused on what is "original" and what is a "copy" and really who cares, you see, no one is paying attention to the scam accusation against Bryce, what is news here is that you got busted more than once, and what is worst, you got busted with your troll tactics accusing others writing about it on your blog to earn cheap money.
We all seen who you really are, why are you still denying it, no one is "accusing" you, like you are saying, is 100% positive, you made a mistake and got busted.
And stop deleting posts, they all screenshot, saved, archived....
Dishonest.
Rat.

As is typical of scammers and their defenders, you are trying to throw this back on me with stupid accusations that have nothing to do with anything instead of addressing the actual situation. This thread isn't about me, its about Tao.

Please try to concentrate on answering these questions:

1. Why wouldn't Bryce just do a proper fork of TomoChain on GitHub that reflects where he got the source code from instead of scrubbing any sort of attribution to the code's creators? That way it wouldn't seem like he was trying to hide anything. For months he (and you) said he was doing a fork of Ethereum, then surprise, he cloned TomoChain with no attribution whatsoever, just find/replacing "TomoChain" with "Tao," meanwhile bragging to his Slack followers about all the hard work he had been doing.

2. Do you really think its OK for Bryce to literally copy word-for-word the summary of a project and pass it off as his own? Please take a closer look at how much of the TomoChain summary Bryce plagiarized for Tao 2:





He even copied "More details can be found at our whitepaper", didn't even bother to change it to "in our whitepaper."   How much lazier can you get??

That is the definition of plagiarism. It is laziness at best and an intellectual property rights infringement at worst. Either way, why would you promote a project whose creator can't be bothered to explain it using his own words? This is a classic hallmark of a scam. The scammer is so short-sighted about their project that they don't spend time on important little details, like say, having an original fucking mission statement.

Yet here you are trying your hardest to get people to pay attention to anything other than the above.

The fact that either Weiner's or notsofast's sockpuppets and/or Twitter minions are working overtime in an attempt to impugn my character confirms that I am barking up what is assuredly the right tree. There's no way I'm letting this go. My best advice to you would be to just fuck off from this forum, but if you insist on staying, I will do everything I can to dissuade a new round of suckers from losing money in yet another Bryce Weiner scam.

Answer the two questions. If you side-step them in favor of pursuing tangential bullshit that is not relevant to Weiner's actions, I will ignore you and just assume its because you know you are in the wrong.

Remember, I'm not the one asking people to invest money in a project which I am already invested, you are.

You know what's funny? It's funny how Nutildah is so blinded by his 5-6 year long rage-on for Bryce, and his constant frustration at how there's literally no scam in Tao, and that Bryce has the approval of the government regulators that Nutildah hates, that he jumped the gun and blew his load over nothing.   

I mean, one would expect that after all of this long experience shitposting on Bitcointalk and posting his articles for Coinclarity that he'd understand that the process of cloning one open source crypto from another generally starts with duplicating the repo and doing a mass search and replace of the name and coin symbol.

And in his feverish eagerness to joyously shout "sCaM!11" and post this thread, Nut didn't consider that maybe this alleged "plagiarism" might simply be literally how you fork a new crypto. Just a work in process, and that the readme file simply hasn't been edited yet because there were more interesting and important steps to take first, and it's not like the new network has been publicly launched yet.

Guess he didn't think of this much more reasonable explanation, but instead attacked and dragged people's reputation.


That said, I have a question. Since you try to present yourself and the accounts you're aligned with as "scam busters," I wonder if you'd comment on the ethics and honesty of using sockpuppet accounts to your advantage.

What do you think of using multiple accounts to brigade a thread and constantly harass other users? And what do you think of let's say, using a high profile account to endorse and support an ICO while secretly being a member of the ICO team?

I wonder if you'll actually respond to this question, or if you'll just delete this comment as you've done with other comments in this thread? Let's see.

I don't think Weiner is going to open any threads with that account but I supported your flag anyway. If someone clicks on his profile it will show that he has an active flag against him.

More visibility is needed for this thread.

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Flag for dev: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=1641. Please support.

Nobody said TomoChain was a scam. Try reading the thread. If you don't understand it, put it through Google Translate.

TomoChain not a scam
nutildah stalker troll

None of this refutes the fact that Bryce heavily plagiarized the TomoChain project. He did not accredit TomoChain as the source of _anything_ despite directly ripping it off, copying it line-for-line and word-for-word. That is extremely dishonest and a tactic often used by scammers. It's also completely disallowed in the professional and academic worlds. If you were a scientist you would be shamed by the community who would never let you forget it for the rest of your career. If you were a student you would be expelled. There's absolutely no reason why it should be acceptable here.

So... No comment on the fact that you ripped off TomoChain line-for-line and called it "Tao 2"?

I was hoping you would at least provide some sort of excuse for why you plagiarized their work.

LMFAO You can all try to rewrite history except everyone who matters knows how shit went down.

I'm only replying here because these people are literally the worst human beings to crawl out of the BCT slimepit and they are just mad they couldn't be me if I became them.

Razor was a scam?  LMFAO Hells no it wasn't.

None of it was.  You're just the same salty cunts I never cut in years ago still mad at your own impotence.  No new thread is gonna make you right and me some kind of bad guy.

It hasn't happened in all this time and it never will, because I'm just not that guy.

Carry on. This is my new fan club thread.

Bryce Weiner's reputation as a crypto scammer dates all the way back to 2014. He's famous for running pump n dump schemes, moving from one coin to the next like they were short-lived pets. Here's a summary of what happened with one of his more famous involvements:


He has washed, rinsed, repeated this cycle for years, always creating just enough room for him to escape responsibility for what happens with his projects.

His latest project, Tao (XTO), started off decently (other than the fact that it was associated with him), and actually had a significant run-up in 2017. By Dec 2018, it was delisted from CoinMarketCap, and today is only available for trading on one or two very small-time exchanges (averaging $100-$300 a day in trading volume).

With Tao being all-but-dead, he has decided to re-launch the coin as "Tao 2," under the premise that it would be an "Ethereum for the music economy."

The Tao 2 launch was first mentioned in the long-running Tao ANN thread on March 26th:


The GitHub link for the project was posted in the Tao ANN thread by the project's main supporter on April 6th.

It was quickly brought to light that instead of forking Ethereum, Weiner created a clone of TomoChain, naming it Tao 2, carefully scrubbing any reference to "TomoChain" and replacing it with "Tao". Someone who took the time to compare the repositories offered the following summary of the differences:


In addition, the README file for Tao 2 (archived) is basically just a copy/paste of the README file for TomoChain. Here is a sample comparison of the two:





Just to make sure this was a direct, unattributed clone (basically plagiarized) version of TomoChain, I asked somebody in the TomoChain thread for their opinion, and this was the response I received:


Basically, Weiner is gearing up for a new fleecing of investors by copy/pasting a project and claiming it as his own, as he did back in his RazorCoin days. Given Weiner's penchant for rolling out scam after scam on this forum, I think its high time his account was tagged for being a scammer, as well as that of his most vocal (and apparently only) supporter.

The flag for the Tao ANN creator is here.