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Quote from: eternalgloom on November 09, 2018, 10:03:57 AM

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.

Except Game Protect

Quote from: eternalgloom on November 09, 2018, 10:03:57 AM

You should talk to a lawyer and get their opinion, though I don't think you even have a case here.

Preferably in China.

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Quote from: veleten on November 16, 2018, 01:52:57 PM

Quote from: Initscri on November 16, 2018, 03:37:40 AM

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on November 16, 2018, 02:46:09 AM

Quote from: Initscri on November 07, 2018, 08:00:08 PM

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

you are looking at it from the point of view of morality, it may be immoral but it is also pretty much fruitless to try
he literally has no case here, even if he proves that casino knowingly let him bet despite their TOS KYC rules
and I'm sure there will be something in their TOS to ensure the situations like that are covered from the legal point of view
if it were only moral grounds, I bet this guy would have sued the casino without batting an eyelid

No, I completely agree; if the OP decides to pursue legal action it's only going to be a very long uphill battlements. Settlements don't come easy, especially when you violated a TOS.

Quote from: AnotherBTCNoob on November 16, 2018, 09:31:34 PM

You could also turn the argument on it's head. If he had won a chunk of cash and they came after him stating that he shouldn't be betting being that UK people are not permitted on there and now they expect all of his winnings to be returned. Can you imagine his reaction? (anyone's reaction in fact!). You would tell them to piss off.

There's no doubt many casino's would do that. But the difference here is that the user's tend to knowingly violate the TOS, where-as the companies can't always automate procedures to prevent betting if users are circumventing them through things like VPNs, Proxies, etc.

At the end of the day, even though it can be tedious, users should really know to at-least have a basic understanding of the TOS and gambling law for their own country before gambling.

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You could also turn the argument on it's head. If he had won a chunk of cash and they came after him stating that he shouldn't be betting being that UK people are not permitted on there and now they expect all of his winnings to be returned. Can you imagine his reaction? (anyone's reaction in fact!). You would tell them to piss off.

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Quote from: Initscri on November 16, 2018, 03:37:40 AM

Quote from: Get-Paid.com on November 16, 2018, 02:46:09 AM

Quote from: Initscri on November 07, 2018, 08:00:08 PM

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

you are looking at it from the point of view of morality, it may be immoral but it is also pretty much fruitless to try
he literally has no case here, even if he proves that casino knowingly let him bet despite their TOS KYC rules
and I'm sure there will be something in their TOS to ensure the situations like that are covered from the legal point of view
if it were only moral grounds, I bet this guy would have sued the casino without batting an eyelid

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Quote from: Get-Paid.com on November 16, 2018, 02:46:09 AM

Quote from: Initscri on November 07, 2018, 08:00:08 PM

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

Abuse of system, cheating, manipulation = immoral.
I feel like the definition of the word "immoral" goes inline with the 3 mentioned acts.

I'm sure there are plenty of casinos which don't play by the rules.
I'm sure there are plenty of users which don't play by the rules.

Just because 1 group does, doesn't make it right for the other group as well. Both can have bad immoral parties taking advantage of people/companies. It doesn't make it right either way.

I'm going to use the word immoral when I see it. And I'm just simply suggesting the acts of trying to manipulate the casino out of profit is immoral when the OP knew what he/she was doing. I'm not suggesting every casino and/or user is a saint by any means.

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Quote from: Initscri on November 07, 2018, 08:00:08 PM

You're always going to run into users who are going to be upset about the morality of the situation. Most reasonable people (including myself) look at this sort of manipulation as disingenuous and immoral.

With all due respect, casinos and gambling establishments are not exactly running the purest form of business neither, so I don't think you can call people immoral when it comes to cash.

When it comes to cash - no one can be trusted, that's a fact, drop a $100 note in a public street, someone will take it, period.

We do agree that users are trying to abuse the system and cheat and it's manipulation, but please don't use the word immoral as the entire gambling industry is not exactly moral neither.

Thanks.

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“right of admission reserved” and even prohibited means that your country are not allowed to gamble on their site. The site gives you a opportunity to accept the ToS when you signed up for their site, so you cannot say that you missed that.

If this was a Brick n Mortar casino, you would not have been able to gamble with a legal ID in that casino, because they would stop you when you signup for the access card, but online casinos are different. They cannot screen people, so they rely on you to read the ToS and then to abide by their rules.

If you break the rules stipulated in their ToS, then it is on you. Sad

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Obviously an actual legal consult is required on this and also you need the locations not just of yourself but the court you propose to petition with this case. Then you would need to see if that court has any jurisdiction over the country this company runs its accounts in.

Im no legal eagle but courts wont generally favour those who try to game the system. Forget the complicated bets, just consider one spin of the roulette wheel for 50k and red or black. Can we really expect the court to take sides in this bet as a kind of insurance, I wish I could give some case law on this but from my experience the law isnt usually this nice to people. Even when you in the right for sure its usually a pain to sue.

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Hey dude, can you send me a private message? I have some feedback as I experienced something similar.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on November 09, 2018, 03:57:15 PM

Quote from: Initscri on November 09, 2018, 03:37:20 PM

@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

Seeking out local legal service would be a good option but since he do talk that hes broke he might not able to do it as well and i doubt that lawyers advice would just be still similar on what most
people do talk on here.

This thread cant be locked since he do still keep insisting that he's on the right path.

I say let him try to take it to court and get skinned by the lawyers
he will regret ever thinking about it , could cost him up to half of the money he says he lost
also seeking advice on a forum - this is what you get, take it or leave it
want to get a more qualified answer, pay money
or you can try the legal section , there are a couple of guys promoting their legal services and answering questions in their topics
might be of some help

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This is not how gambling site works, you lose your money and take it to the court and all of these things is your responsibility, besides, you are already knoe the consequences when you played on their restricted area. Sometimes this is their tactics just to bring more players. They ban some countries but yet sometimes we can logged in by using vpn so whenever you win you can't withdraw and when you lose, it will be just stay the same. And if you already make uo your mind having this to court then you shoule not bothering asking this kind of questions again

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Quote from: Initscri on November 09, 2018, 03:37:20 PM

@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

Seeking out local legal service would be a good option but since he do talk that hes broke he might not able to do it as well and i doubt that lawyers advice would just be still similar on what most
people do talk on here.

This thread cant be locked since he do still keep insisting that he's on the right path.

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@OP, probably just a good idea to lock this thread & seek legal advice if you believe you have a case. Bottom left corner.

This thread is just going to keep having responses of people saying the same thing.

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Quote from: fribbled on November 07, 2018, 12:54:12 PM

Right, so going to ask a few questions with those who think that they have knowledge go ahead and put answers down.

I have bet with a certain website for over 2 years now, they do not accept UK residents and I have bet there. They accepted my UK IP to accept bets over £500,000 via btc.

They have not once ask me for verification because I am in so much loss to them.

Should this be taken to court and my money be given back since KYC regulations say you need to be ID verified once you hit around 1300 in euros...

Much more to come on this. Let the answers begin

from a common sense standpoint and logics- no
you might find a shrewd paralegal to screw you out of even more money promising to win the case
but trust me the chances of it are close to zero
you broke their TOS and want your money back ,sound like a legit reason .... NOT
I understand you are upset and 500.000 pounds is not some small change, but realistically, there is no way in hell you will get your money back

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Quote from: fribbled on November 07, 2018, 09:28:17 PM

Website sportsbet.io They do not own a licence and they illegally accepted my bets via UK IP's also KYC regulations, I was never asked for this because I lost so much to do they tried keeping me happy, I know I can get my money back, just in search of the right hands legally then I will be fine

I dont really know on what to say because where on the world would you get that logic which you have agreed on their TOS when using up their site and now

you lost up big money and wants to make your loss back? This is gambling and its clearly stated that once you agreed theres no reason for you to complain after using their service.

For sure you wont really make any words or complaints if you do make money or win big time but this is typically a "butt-hurt" gambler reasons.

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I don't know if you would actually have a case against them. You've basically just broken their own TOS.
Which laws have they broken exactly? I'm a little bit confused about that part.

Anyway, I don't think anyone in this forum knows enough about this particular legal subject to be of help to you.
You should talk to a lawyer and get their opinion, though I don't think you even have a case here.

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Quote from: mitch1212 on November 08, 2018, 03:29:18 AM

Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you

people do signup without reading the ToS
When i do a signup and put in my money, i READ ALWAYS the ToS because a single clause can fu*k my money

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Quote from: mitch1212 on November 08, 2018, 03:29:18 AM

Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you

Because there has been a sudden rush of users who heard the word "lossback" and suddenly think they have an avenue to receive all of their funds back (whether it be financially motivated, legally motivated, whatever).

It's unfortunate, because it's more or less just dishonesty. You play at a casino knowing the risks. You can't complain afterwards. If there's dishonesty on the part of the casino (not enforcing a ban for example), then that's a different story. But for this case, it's clearly all written out in the TOS.

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Am I missing something here? Why in the world would you slap "Scam Website" on a legit casino / sportsbook operation that, in my experience, is doing honest business. I personally have had an account and been a happy client for years. That 500 you lost is probably paying for the deep roster of lawyers on their bench that would squash a moron like you

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